ICN is very excited to bring this interview with mystic, author, and Episcopal priest Cynthia Bourgeault!

This conversation between Paul Smith, Luke Healy and Cynthia centers on Jean Gebser's seminal work. This discussion weaves in and out many themes and threads of thought(s) and response, covering important territory. 

(An important note: while it helps to be aware of Gebser and his work to listen to this podcast it is not absolutely necessary...no doubt you will fully appreciate the transmission of wisdom and the enjoyment of lively conversation!)

12:57 - Finding Gebser ("You don’t find books, they find you.”)

25 - Embodying wisdom in tumultuous times

34:37 - Cynthia's thoughts on Gebser and G.I.Gurdjieff 

40:17 - Paul discusses other embodiment practices and Whole Body Mystical Awakening

46:11 - Features of Western non-duality 

52:30 - Moving Integral to the personal (2nd-person spirituality and spirit guides/presences, co-inherence!, I/it? Or I/thou.)  

1:02:41 - Gebser and the Christ-mystery, Christ-teachers and the unfolding of human history

1:12:28 - Healing work from Cynthia's and Paul's perspectives

1:25:42 - Final thoughts 

(Please note that this recorded remotely over ZOOM so there are some digital quirks and jumps. But we hope the content will make up for any inadequacies in the quality of audio.)

Thanks again for listening! Please look for us online and join the conversation at integralchristiannetwork.org