This is the second half of my interview with Paul Hellier. It gets going around 03:50. Topics discussed include:

* the interregnum period while the ruling class tries to dismantle liberal democracy and national sovereignty, marking the end of “political modernity” dating back to the American and French revolutions;

* the need for accountability for the crimes of the Covid era;

* shell shock produces psychologically malleable subjects. Different techniques of shock have been applied, first to individuals, and then to groups and entire societies;

* techniques of trauma-based mind control, from MKULTRA to “Covid-19”;

* the deliberate production of insanity and stress as part of the “Covid-19” operation, consistent with psychological torture;

* who is in charge of society? Not prime ministers and presidents! The deep state intervenes in the ordinary running of affairs';

* the fraudulent nature of vaccinology and the corruption of mainstream science;

* the military agenda to initiate the war for technocracy, with “Covid-19” providing the smokescreen;

* perception management and the three camps of awareness;

* Desmet’s The Psychology of Totalitarianism (2022);

* Waters’ hit piece on me and my co-authors, which we duly dismantled;

* “Mass formation” as Freud’s concept, not Desmet’s, and the intellectually flimsy nature of Desmet’s “mass formation” thesis;

* the hallmarks of Camp 2 and Camp 3, in particular the size of audience reached, the level of planning and coordination involved in “cognitive infiltration,” and the huge size of Camp 2 relative to Camp 3;

* new forms of control enabled by 21st century digital technology and A.I.;

* the biodigital profiling of children;

* the need to take individual responsibility for doing whatever it is that we, as individuals, can do to help put down the global technocratic coup; every acquiescence is acquiescence to evil; every silence connotes consent;

* a significant section of society is opposed to what is taking place, but many are too frightened to speak out;

* the marketing of technologies that have the potential to be used for great evil in positive terms;

* psychological barriers to seeing what is happening — beyond the psychological warfare, are there physiological mechanisms for affecting the brain?';

* finding the moral courage to face down evil, the need for God, and the power of prayer;

* revolution from above (the “Great Reset”) vs. revolution from below (social revolution);

* “Covid-19” as the opening campaign in the war for technocracy.

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