The Unthinkable is a new podcast series by Susie Ferguson, which opens the door on an issue that affects hundreds of families every year, and yet we struggle to speak about it.

Content warning: This podcast contains graphic descriptions that some people might find difficult.

Kate Gudsell and Sam Arcus were married in November 2015 and just a few weeks later discovered they were pregnant with their first child. After a textbook pregnancy, Kate went into labour and then things began to go awry.

In The Unthinkable, a five-part podcast series made and hosted by Susie Ferguson, Kate and Sam share their story of loss and grief but mainly it's a tale of love, the big, enduring love of parents for their child.

If you need to talk free call or text 1737 any time to speak to a trained counsellor.

Go to this episode on rnz.co.nz for more details