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In Episode 192 Rebirthing Christmas - Virgin Mary Smashes the Patriarchy, Bonnie, Casey, Jeff, and Rajeev, discuss a broad range of feminist perspectives on Mary the mother of Jesus and virginity. Did ancient communities understand the concept of virginity through the lens of purity culture or did they hold a more sophisticated understanding of feminine power? We leaned towards the latter.

The Magnificat by Mary in the Gospel of Luke is discussed with great interest and reverence. It is a most powerful passage that is often omitted from most liturgies.

The conversation explores the fleshy, lived, experiences of women who have given birth, breastfed, and managed to carve out a place for themselves and their children in a patriarchal world. Ultimately we recognize the concept of virginity is a broad array of ideas and representative of feminine power that toxic-patriarchy has worked to suppress and control.

The segment "Don't Yuck My Yum" devolves into some gross recipe's that will surely taint your views on every host. And, twizzlers, have holes in them and someone owes someone some packs…juss-sayin.

Conversation on Rebirthing Christmas (01:56)Yuck or Yum Segment (47:08)

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RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation Rebirthing Christmas

• Critical Essays Augustine's View of Sexuality
• Sojourner Truth (American abolitionist and women's rights activist)
• Princess Bride (1987 Film)
• Magnificat
• Virgin Martyrs
• Patch Adams (1998 Film)
• Call the Midwife (Netflix TV Show)

From Our Yuck or Yum Segment

• Postum

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Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

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What is love? In this episode each host attempts to provide their definition of what they think love is. It quickly becomes apparent that the concept of love is more difficult to pin down than expected. Is love a feeling? Is love an action? Or is love where in between?

And finally a new segment is introduced to end the show, Bad Advice Column. This segment quickly goes off the rails and hilarity ensues and fun is had by all.

Conversation on What is Love (02:35)Bad Advice Column Segment (35:55)

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RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation on What is Love

• 1 Corinthians 13
• RuPaul (American drag queen, actor, model, singer, television personality, and author)
• Lady Bird (2017 Film)

From Our Bad Advice Column Segment

• Kibbles n' Bits

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IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

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What is hope? Christianity is filled with buzz words that we can easily take for granted or turn into catch phrases. In this episode the hosts discuss one of those words, hope. Hope can mean a lot of different things for different people. It can also feel like a concept that is slowly fading from view in the current world we live in.

Each host shares their current definition of hope. This leads to a short detour into a discussion on hope's connection to the afterlife. Given the hosts' evangelical pasts this is an important elephant in the room to acknowledge before a fuller view of hope can be obtained. The conversation eventually shifts to some of the more crucial elements in obtaining hope. Wonder and gratitude quickly enter the mix as strong foundations for hope.

The episode ends with a new segment from the mind of Rajeev. The segment is called Buddy Bingo. Get to know the Irenicast hosts better by learning a few of their ticks and consistencies in personality and most used catch phrases. The process will 100 percent be worth it honey.

Conversation on What is Hope? (00:46)Buddy Bingo Segment (46:19)

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Intersections is a group of un-fundies and exvangelicals meeting to support each other and process our evolving faith journeys. Facilitated by Bonnie, Casey, Rajeev and Jeff. Our next session will be Thursdays, February 3rd through March 10th at 7pm PT. Register today.

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation on What is Hope?

• Jesse Jackson (American political activist, Baptist minister, and politician)
• Fred Rogers (aka Mr. Rogers)
• Harvey Milk (American politician)
• The Book of Joy: Lasting Happiness in a Changing World by Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu, and Douglas Carlton Abrams (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
• Alfred North Whitehead (English mathematician and philosopher)
• In Time (2011 film)

From Our Buddy Bingo Segment

• Cold Open: Boyle Bingo Turkey Day Edition - Brooklyn Nine-Nine (YouTube Video)

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PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

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IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

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What is Faith? Bonnie, Jeff, Casey, and Rajeev share perspectives that are found just beyond the edge of clarity - "objects" are visible but there is little certainty about what those objects might be. After all, faith is murky and shifty. As the crew discusses the evolution of their personal faith journeys they confront each other by what is meant by faith and how the misunderstanding and misuse of the term has caused a lot of confusion within, and between, people.

The hosts delve into the realities, and tensions, of whether faith is a personal thing, a communal thing, neither, or both. True to the Irenicast way - you may have to decide this for yourself.

After a winding and personal conversation on faith, the team finishes off this episode with a round of "Faith Songs." Brace yourself for some cringes, some "oh yea, that's my jam," and "oh, hell to the no." And - if you are up for it, the hosts would love to hear your definition, understanding, experience, of faith. You can contact them at irenicast.com.

Thanks for listening.

Conversation on What is Faith (00:52)Playlist Segment (36:56)

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Intersections is a group of un-fundies and exvangelicals meeting to support each other and process our evolving faith journeys. Facilitated by Bonnie, Casey, Rajeev and Jeff. Our next session will be Thursdays, February 3rd through March 10th at 7pm PT. Register today.

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our What is Faith Conversation

• James 2:14-26 - New Revised Standard Version (Faith without Works Is Dead)
• Enneagram
• Hebrews 11 - New Revised Standard Version
• Hebrews (Wisdom Commentary Series Book 54) by Mary Ann Beavis and HyeRan Kim-Cragg (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
• Genesis 32 - New Revised Standard Version (Jacob Wrestles)
• Inspired: Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again by Rachel Held Evans (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)

From Our Playlist Segment

• You can get the fully crafted playlist on Apple Music and Spotify. Note that Rajeev's pick, This is the Year of Losing Things by Tom Pradsa-Rao is not available on these music platforms. To hear every song, below are YouTube links for all the songs mentioned in the episode.
• Rajeev's Picks
• • Amazing Grace by Aretha Franklin
  • He's Got the Whole World In His Hands by Mahalia Jackson
  • We Are by Jon Batiste
  • The Year of Losing Things by Tom Prasada-Rao
  • Honorable Mention - Faith by George Michael
  • Honorable Mention - Like a Prayer by Madonna
  • Honorable Mention - Pray Enough by The Wood Brothers
• Casey's Picks
• • Jesus Take the Wheel by Carrie Underwood
  • I Hope You Dance by Lee Ann Womack
  • Ironic by Alanis Morissette
  • Everywhere by Tim McGraw
  • Honorable Mention - Another Day from Rent
• Jeff's Picks
• • Sitting On The Dock Of The Bay by Otis Redding
  • The Day I Tried To Live by SoundGarden
  • Somewhere Only We Know by Keane
  • Cult of Personality by Living Colour
  • Honorable Mention - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For by U2
• Bonnie's Picks
• • Landslide by Fleetwood Mac
  • Unwritten by Natasha Bedingfield
  • Roar by Katie Perry
  • Hold On by Alabama Shakes
• Bandleader Jon Batiste (Fresh Air Podcast Episode)

SUPPORT THE SHOW

You can always count on Irenicast providing a free podcast on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. However, that does not mean that we do not have expense related to the show. If we have provided value to you and you would like to support the show, here are a few options.

PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

MERCH - Irenicast has a merch store at Irenicast.com/Store. We are always developing more items so check out our current offerings.

AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on Amazon consider using our Amazon affiliate link. This will give us a small portion on everything you purchase. No additional cost will be passed on to you.

IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE CONVERSATION

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In Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Six the co-hosts explore the diversity of what community can be: quilting club, birdwatchers, family-groups (biological or chosen), faith community, and so many more. While there is agreement that what a community looks like can vary greatly, the hosts have differing thoughts on the importance of belonging, responsibility, and duty.

Ultimately there is a recognition that there is no singular way to integrate past connections, present realities, and future possibilities, when it comes to community - but it is important work to do.

In the segment, Two Truths and a Lie, we learn a little about the past lives of the community involvements of each host. In the process we learn who is the best at lying. Spoiler alert, it's Jeff.

Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Six (01:18)Two Truths and a Lie Segment (45:28)

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Intersections is a group of un-fundies and exvangelicals meeting to support each other and process our evolving faith journeys. Facilitated by Bonnie, Casey, Rajeev and Jeff. Our next session will be Thursdays, February 3rd through March 10th at 7pm PT. Register today.

Get Bonnie's New Book - Partnering with God: Exploring Collaboration in Open and Relational Theology! Can creatures actually partner with God? This book answers that question... in the affirmative. The responses vary and the proposals provoke new insights. Along the way, the ideas break new ground. Get Your Copy Today!

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Six

• Rev. Rosemary McCombs Maxey
• Seventh Day Adventism

From Our 2 Truths and a Lie Segment

• YWAM
• Sacramento Leather Community
• MOPS

SUPPORT THE SHOW

You can always count on Irenicast providing a free podcast on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. However, that does not mean that we do not have expense related to the show. If we have provided value to you and you would like to support the show, here are a few options.

PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

MERCH - Irenicast has a merch store at Irenicast.com/Store. We are always developing more items so check out our current offerings.

AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on Amazon consider using our Amazon affiliate link. This will give us a small portion on everything you purchase. No additional cost will be passed on to you.

IRENICAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE CONVERSATION

Join our progressive Christian conversations on faith and culture by interacting with us through the following links:

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Intro and Outro music created by Mike Golin.

This post may contain affiliate links. An Irenicon is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com

In Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Five, the multiverse of self, co hosts, Bonnie, Casey, Jeff, and Rajeev dive into the most uncomfortable and awkward of spaces "the self."

The work and interview with Debbie Glander is referenced to remind us that our formation (childhood, puberty, adolescence) was not a solo project but many, in trusted positions, had major impacts on who we have become.

Each co-host still feels the lingering stings of being told we were sinful-to-the-core and the profound difficulty that creates when trying to trust oneself. This results in a reduction of the idea of self and a rejection of self as complex.

"It takes a lot of work to become truly oneself." Bonnie

The conversation explores the problems when "trusting self" is claimed in the "alternate facts, anti-vax, crowd;" and the difficulties social media imposes on all people.

Facing the "facts" about why we have come to certain conclusions may be the first real step to self discovery. It is essential for many of us to get professional therapy, not the "christian" counselor in the church basement.

A necessary developmental ingredient is the "deliciousness of adolescence" that many of us in the evangelical/fundamentalist world were denied. How were the decisions you made shaped? A possible way forward isn't a hollow reclamation of a rebellious youth but instead a wholly-process-of-grieving and of forgiveness of younger selves.

Sometimes, the shadow side should be brought forward in order to disperse the controls in place that force us into gender roles and relational dynamics that serve to uphold the toxicity of "men as the head of everything."

A primary fallacy is that the self is fixed. We are not the sum total of our stories. And while Enneagram is helpful to self discovery, we must not be defined by our number. Self is a process, a moment by moment discovery. The journey should reject "conformity equals unity" and lean into respectful conflict between authentic self-moments in order to get anywhere real.

And maybe find things to have gratitude for along the way.

And finally, ever wonder what a "train wreck of a segment" sounds like - take a listen. Each host takes a well known and well loved story and shares a synopsis - the other hosts try to guess the title of the work.

"Dazed and Uncomprehending" is suggested as the title for a handbook on men.

Ya...it's a mess but an endearing mess.

Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Five (02:08)Title Me This Segment (42:21)

ANNOUNCEMENTS

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Join Casey's Enneagram Class starting TOMORROW, October 6th at 7pm PT via ZOOM. This 3-week class is absolutely free, just sign up by emailing Casey at [email protected].

Get Bonnie's New Book - Partnering with God: Exploring Collaboration in Open and Relational Theology! Can creatures actually partner with God? This book answers that question... in the affirmative. The responses vary and the proposals provoke new insights. Along the way, the ideas break new ground. Get Your Copy Today!

Intersections is a group of un-fundies and exvangelicals meeting to support each other and process our evolving faith journeys. Facilitated by Bonnie, Casey, Rajeev and Jeff. Our next session will be Thursdays, February 3rd through March 10th at 7pm PT. Register today.

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Five

• The Series So Far…
• • Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part One – Waking Up – 183 (Part 1 also includes a portion of our interview with Debbie Glander mentioned at the beginning of this episode)
  • Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Two – Becoming Less Dangerous – 184
  • Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Three – Flying Through the Soup On a Treasure Hunt – 185
  • Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Four – The Rob Bell is Full of Sh*t Spectrum – 186
• Erik Erikson's Stages of Psychosocial Development
• What Does Christmas Mean to You? – The Great Birth Narrative Debate – 181
• Quanita Roberson – Grief, Healing and Hope – 169

From Our Title Me This Segment

• Quest of the Highlander by Cynthia Wright
• E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982 Film)
• Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
• Love and Death on Long Island (1997 Film)
• Frankenstein by Mary Shelley
• Stand By Me (1986 Film)
• The Body by Stephen King
• Twilight by Stephenie Meyer
• The Song of Lunch (2010 Film)

SUPPORT THE SHOW

You can always count on Irenicast providing a free podcast on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. However, that does not mean that we do not have expense related to the show. If we have provided value to you and you would like to support the show, here are a few options.

PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

MERCH - Irenicast has a merch store at Irenicast.com/Store. We are always developing more items so check out our current offerings.

AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on Amazon consider using our Amazon affiliate link. This will give us a small portion on everything you purchase. No additional cost will be passed on to you.

IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE CONVERSATION

Join our progressive Christian conversations on faith and culture by interacting with us through the following links:

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CREDITS

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This post may contain affiliate links. An Irenicon is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com

In Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part 4 the hosts discuss the voices that helped them reconstruct some semblance of belief… or non-belief. The legend and public persona of Rob Bell unexpectedly becomes the yardstick that each host measures their rebuilding experiences against. Each host shares a ton of resources and voices that helped them in their movement away from fundamentalist authority. Some that became irrelevant and others that still ring true today.

The episode finishes with the revival of an old segment formerly known as Jesus or Jay-Z and now rebranded as Friday Night or Sunday Morning. Each host guesses if a set of lyrics is from a 'christian' or 'secular' musician.

Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Four (01:26)Friday Night or Sunday Morning Segment (44:07)

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Get Bonnie's New Book - Partnering with God: Exploring Collaboration in Open and Relational Theology! Can creatures actually partner with God? This book answers that question... in the affirmative. The responses vary and the proposals provoke new insights. Along the way, the ideas break new ground. Get Your Copy Today!

Intersections is a group of un-fundies and exvangelicals meeting to support each other and process our evolving faith journeys. Facilitated by Bonnie, Casey, Rajeev and Jeff. Our next session will be Thursdays, February 3rd through March 10th at 7pm PT. Register today.

RELEVANT LINKS

From Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Four

• Rob Bell (American author, speaker and former pastor)
• N.T. Wright (English New Testament scholar, Pauline theologian and Anglican bishop)
• Walter Brueggemann (American Protestant Old Testament scholar and theologian)
• Harold Camping (​​American Christian radio broadcaster and evangelist)
• Bart Ehrman (American New Testament scholar)
• John Dominic Crossan (Irish-American New Testament scholar, historian of early Christianity, and former Catholic priest who was a prominent member of the Jesus Seminar)
• Frontline Series from Jesus to Christ
• Donald Miller (American author, public speaker, and business owner)
• Philip Yancey (American author)
• What's So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancy (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)
• Anne Lamott (American novelist and non-fiction writer, progressive political activist, public speaker, and writing teacher)
• Paul Ricœur (French philosopher)
• John Milbank (English Anglican theologian)
• Radical orthodoxy (Christian theological and philosophical school of thought which makes use of postmodern philosophy to reject the paradigm of modernity)
• Renita Weems (Ordained minister, a Hebrew Bible scholar, and author)
• Gustavo Gutiérrez (Peruvian philosopher, Catholic theologian, and Dominican priest, regarded as one of the founders of Latin American liberation theology)
• We Drink from Our Own Wells: The Spiritual Journey Of A People by Gustavo Gutierrez (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)

From Our Friday Night or Sunday Morning Segment

• Christian Rock Hard (ninth episode of the seventh season and the 105th overall episode of the American animated series South Park)
• Semi-Charmed Life by Third Eye Blind
• Touch Me Lord Jesus
• Medicine Man by Keb' Mo'
• Deconstruction by Justin McRoberts
• Life Is Sweet by Natalie Merchant
• Holy by Justin Beiber
• Jesus, Baby - South Park

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PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

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IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected] You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected] You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected] Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected] You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

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In Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Three, the Irencast crew try desperately to come up with suitable metaphors for the 'Dark Night of the Soul' stage in deconstruction. Since each host had such different experiences the task becomes difficult, which leads to a beautiful discussion on why these moments cannot be boiled down to a formula.

We all experience our faith journey differently, and while there are some commonalities, we cannot prescribe a specific way out for any one person. Sometimes we need to sit, listen and just experience certain moments in life. This conversation is emblematic of that truth.

The episode ends with the return of an old segment, formerly known as Jesus or Jay-Z. Rebranded as Friday Night or Sunday Morning. Each host shares some song lyrics that could be taken as either 'Christian' or 'secular'. The other hosts decide where they stand and per usual the segment degrades into some good old fashion banter.

Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Three (02:16)Friday Night or Sunday Morning Segment (43:03)

ANNOUNCEMENTS

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Intersections is a group of un-fundies and exvangelicals meeting to support each other and process our evolving faith journeys. Facilitated by Bonnie, Casey, Rajeev and Jeff. Our next session will be Thursdays, February 3rd through March 10th at 7pm PT. Register today.

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Three

• St John of the Cross (Spanish Catholic priest, mystic, and a Carmelite friar of converso origin)
• Dark Night of the Soul (Poem by St John of the Cross)
• Smallville (CW Television Show)
• Hook (1991 Film)
• Healing Through the Dark Emotions: The Wisdom of Grief, Fear, and Despair by Miriam Greenspan (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)

From Our Friday Night or Sunday Morning Segment

• DC Talk (Christian Rap/Rock Group)
• Audio Adrenaline (Christian Rock Group)
• The O.C. Supertones (Christian Ska Band)
• Uh, Did a Former Member of Audio Adrenaline Threaten a Doctor Because He Called for Mask Mandates? (Article)
• Michael W. Smith (Contemporary Christian Singer)
• Bad Motorfinger (1991 Soundgarden Album)
• Casey's Worship Playlist
• The Young Messiah
• Five Iron Frenzy (Christian Ska Band)
• Insyderz (Christian Ska Band)
• Switchfoot (Christian Rock Band)
• Third Day (Christian Rock Band)

SUPPORT THE SHOW

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PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

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AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on Amazon consider using our Amazon affiliate link. This will give us a small portion on everything you purchase. No additional cost will be passed on to you.

IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected] You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected] You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected] Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected] You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

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CREDITS

Intro and Outro music created by Mike Golin.

This post may contain affiliate links. An Irenicon is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com

In Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Two, the discussion centers around the aftermath of waking up. What do you do with the shame, regret and anger of living in a high control environment? Each host shares their journey through that cloud of emotions.

Being gracious with yourself, finding a safe place to express anger and learning to listen are some of the lessons learned by our hosts in their waking up aftermaths. They also explore how those manifestations of waking up can be connected to our place in this world. Race, gender and sexual identities can play a big part in what we feel we are "allowed" to feel or express. Triggers are also talked about as important revelations about our own assumptions.

The episode concludes with our Overrated/Underrated segment. The segment leads into a detailed tiered system that Jeff has devised on restaurants. Some lines are drawn in the sand during this segment and we hope that in the end you will stay with us :)

Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Two (00:59)Overrated/Underrated Segment (32:12)

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Sign up for our email list and get the full interview Bonnie conducted with Debbie Glander, LMFT.

To learn more about Intersection and sign up for our next session go to TheIntersections.Space

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part Two

• Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part One – Waking Up – 183 (First Irenicast Episode in This Series)
• The Velvet Rage: Overcoming the Pain of Growing Up Gay in a Straight Man's World, Second Edition by Alan Downs (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)

From Overrated/Underrated Our Segment

• In-N-Out Burger
• Five Guys
• Shake Shack
• Denny's
• Waffle House
• Zaxby's
• David Makes Man (OWN TV Show)
• The Handmaid's Tale (Hulu TV Show)
• The Mandalorian (Disney+ TV Show)
• Ted Lasso (Apple TV+ Show)
• Divine Cinema (Podcast)
• Brisket
• Tri Tip
• 'Revenge Travel' Will Be All The Rage Over The Next Few Years

SUPPORT THE SHOW

You can always count on Irenicast providing a free podcast on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. However, that does not mean that we do not have expense related to the show. If we have provided value to you and you would like to support the show, here are a few options.

PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

MERCH - Irenicast has a merch store at Irenicast.com/Store. We are always developing more items so check out our current offerings.

AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on Amazon consider using our Amazon affiliate link. This will give us a small portion on everything you purchase. No additional cost will be passed on to you.

IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE CONVERSATION

Join our progressive Christian conversations on faith and culture by interacting with us through the following links:

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CREDITS

Intro and Outro music created by Mike Golin.

This post may contain affiliate links. An Irenicon is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com

Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part One explores the first movement in someone's journey toward change, waking up. To lay the groundwork, not only for this episode but the episodes to come in this series, each host shares some of the experiences that put them on the path of deconstruction. Because of the benefit of highsight, insight is given into the difficulty and eventual freedom in the deconstruction process. Toward the end of the main conversation we share a relevant portion of an interview with Debbie Glander, LMFT. Debbie's insights into the negative effects of many fundamentalists communities is invaluable.

The episode closes with a segment called This or That. Once again during the segment Jeff and Rajeev enter into their timeless battle about what makes pizza pizza. Progressivism and Fundamentalism once again do battle on the cheesy field of goodness.

Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part One: Waking Up (01:06)Portion of Interview w/ Debbie Glander, LMFT (30:14)This or That Segment (41:52)

ANNOUNCEMENTS

Sign up for our email list and get the full interview Bonnie conducted with Debbie Glander, LMFT.

To learn more about Intersection and sign up for our next session go to TheIntersections.Space

RELEVANT LINKS

From Our Conversation on Beyond the Binary of Deconstruction and Reconstruction Part One: Waking Up

• Saved (2004 Film)
• Matrix (1999 Film)
• Intersections Roundtable – A Community of EXvangelicals and UNfundies – 113 (Irenicast Episode)
• More about Intersections
• Mr. Burns (Simpsons Character)

From Our This or That Segment

• Every Night is Pizza Night by Kenji Lopez-Alt (Book - Amazon Affiliate Link)

MORE ON DEBBIE GLANDER, LMFT

Debbie is a licensed marriage and family therapist maintaining a private practice in Davis, California. She has received her undergraduate degree in Social Work at California State University of Sacramento and graduate degree in counseling from The University of San Francisco. Personal commitment to her own growth and transformation has inspired her to specialize in working with individuals and families as a Psychotherapist. Her therapeutic approach is to provide support and feedback to help clients regulate their emotions and express their needs in healthy and adaptive ways. Her practice is dedicated to building a relationship with clients that is based on respect, empathy, professionalism and honesty.

Visit Debbie's website for more on her work.

SUPPORT THE SHOW

You can always count on Irenicast providing a free podcast on the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of every month. However, that does not mean that we do not have expense related to the show. If we have provided value to you and you would like to support the show, here are a few options.

PAYPAL - You can make a one-time, or recurring, tax-deductible donation to the show through PayPal. Just go to Irenicast.com/PayPal to make your donation. We are a 501(c)(3).

MERCH - Irenicast has a merch store at Irenicast.com/Store. We are always developing more items so check out our current offerings.

AMAZON - Next time you go to make a purchase on Amazon consider using our Amazon affiliate link. This will give us a small portion on everything you purchase. No additional cost will be passed on to you.

IRENCAST HOSTS

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, MDiv | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Bonnie on Facebook and at Parkside Community Church-UCC and haystackspodcast.com.

Pastor Casey Martinez-Tinnin, MTS | co-host | [email protected]You can follow Casey on Twitter and Facebook, or you can check out his blog The Queerly Faithful Pastor or loomisucc.org

Jeff Manildi | co-founder, producer & co-host | [email protected]Follow Jeff (@JeffManildi) on facebook, instagram & twitter. You can also listen to Jeff's other podcast Divine Cinema.

Rev. Rajeev Rambob, MCL | co-host | [email protected]You can connect with Rajeev at Parkside Community Church, Facebook, Twitter, Medium, LinkedIn, and Haystacks Podcast.

ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE CONVERSATION

Join our progressive Christian conversations on faith and culture by interacting with us through the following links:

Read Us on our blog Irenicon Email Us at [email protected]Follow Us on Twitter Like Us on Facebook Listen & Subscribe to Us on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Android, Spotify, Stitcher, TuneIn, iHeart Radio, Spreaker, Pandora and SoundCloud Speak to Us on our Feedback Page and the Post Evangelical Facebook Group See Us on Instagram Support Us on PayPal, Amazon or at our Store Love Us?

CREDITS

Intro and Outro music created by Mike Golin.

This post may contain affiliate links. An Irenicon is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com