You know things aren't good when Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un sign a mutual defence pact... could it be that a powerful new anti-western axis is emerging between Russia, China, North Korea and Iran? Plus, we get an insight into how Ukrainians feel about being caught in this geopolitical quagmire. 

Guests:

Alisa Sopova - Ukrainian journalist and anthropologist.

Sir Lawrence Freedman - Emeritus Professor of War Studies at King's College London.

Recommendations:

Geraldine: We’re in 1938 now: Putin’s war in Ukraine and lessons from history - Patrick Wintour in the Guardian.

Hamish: Premier Li Qiang’s visit has Malaysia wanting more from China pivot - Financial Times.

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