Some companies just build products. Others build empires — with innovative leaders who inspire fierce devotion. But when does innovation become something more like faith? Tech journalist Karen Hao joins Audie Cornish to talk about the rise of Sam Altman, the near-religious culture growing around AI, and what it all means for our future — whether you’re feeling hopeful, skeptical, or somewhere in between. 

Karen Hao’s book is called Empire of AI: Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman's OpenAI 

Listen to our interview with the CEO of Microsoft AI, Mustafa Suleyman. 

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