The Senate held a hearing last week about the often old, outdated computer systems that our governments often use to run their programs and what it’ll take to move things forward. Those aging systems are a problem because when they break down or just can’t keep up with changing needs, it’s hard to fix them. One example: Last spring, the state of New Jersey had to recruit people who knew the 60-year-old programming language COBOL in order to keep its unemployment system from going down. Marketplace’s Marielle Segarra speaks with Joseph Steinberg, a cybersecurity expert who’s worked with the government and author of “Cybersecurity for Dummies.”