In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Pastor Michael Rubino and Mike Joslyn for a powerful conversation about the heart of spiritual leadership: selflessness, obedience, and dying to self so others can live.

Together, they unpack what it really means to lead like Jesus in a world obsessed with achievement, platform, and outcomes. From redefining success as simple obedience to recognizing that spiritual influence is birthed out of discipleship—not charisma or personality—this conversation brings leadership back to its biblical foundation.

What you’ll learn:
- Why spiritual leadership starts with recognizing you have nothing apart from Christ
- The difference between outcome-based leadership and obedience-based leadership
- How spiritual leaders discern God’s voice in everyday moments
- Why true leadership requires selflessness, sacrifice, and dying to personal preference
- How Jesus flips the world’s leadership model upside down—and why it leads to freedom
- The role of humility, hidden service, and unseen obedience in shaping a leader’s heart
- How to recognize and respond to “aha moments” where God redirects your path
- What it looks like to leverage your leadership in your home, workplace, and relationships
- The importance of sensitivity to the Holy Spirit in daily decisions

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