In this fascinating deep dive, I’m joined by Ivan Hannel — best known as the lawyer representing Luis “Lue” Elizondo, former head of AATIP — for a nearly two-hour conversation that explores the legal, political, and human sides of UFO disclosure.

We cover everything from the New York Times article that changed the game, to Ivan’s professional relationship with Elizondo, legal insights into congressional briefings, government secrecy, and… a tease of a potential new whistleblower coming forward.

Ivan's Journey: From Law to UFOs

Meeting Lue Elizondo

The Controversial Congressional Briefing

Mistakes in public

Suspicion Around UAP Disclosure Act

Concerns Over Controlled Disclosure

Legal Perspectives on UFO Evidence

Government Accountability and Ufology

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