This episode continues our series on Paul's latest book, J-Curve: Dying and Rising with Jesus in Everyday Life.

"As Americans we have a whole declaration of no limitations, but the very nature of love is to have your freedom constricted. What we'll react to sometimes in a difficult relationship to the feel of the relationship—I have to be careful what I say around the person, it's unfair, it's unbalanced. Life shouldn't feel this way. But that's actually the feel of love, that narrowing, the constricting, the limiting.

"That's the womb where resurrection takes place—it's where you get to know Jesus."

"When people recoil from the narrowing of love it narrows their hearts. If you want to see someone who has a wide heart, they've experienced narrowing. It's like the heat of that forms the human soul the way it should be."