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    [0:01] We’re going to read together from 2nd Timothy by way of reference and I think every meeting should be a Word of God meeting, so it would be odd if we didn’t read something from the Bible.

    So I want to read 2nd Timothy and remind you that this is Paul’s last letter and it may be that within days or weeks of writing this letter that Paul had been martyred, he’d laid down his life for the Lord.

    [0:33] So the Apostolic Age was really coming to a close and with the end of the Apostolic Age there was a great emphasis going to be made on the Word of God.

    [0:46] So let’s just read first of all in 2 Timothy 1.13 where he says to Timothy to whom he was committing this great trust, hold fast the form of sound words which thou hast heard of me in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

    Chapter 2, verse 15, study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth, but shun profane and vain babblings, for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
    Chapter 3, verse 14, but continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou has learned them, and that from a child thou has known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. And then in chapter 4 at the beginning, I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom. Preach!

    [2:08] The Word. And the Lord always blesses to us, of course, the reading of His Word.

    Now we’re trying to make this as conversational as possible again this afternoon. I’m really sorry there’s only three of us in the conversation. I would love really to be able to include more, but we might have a long meeting, you might miss your tea, and Henry might be late for the gospel meeting. So that wouldn’t do.
    So I have some notes here. I see yesterday Joseph had high-tech notes. I’ve just got a bit of paper, which kind of says that I’m a lot older than he is.
    So I’m not sure whether we followed his pattern yesterday. We did to some degree. I’m not sure we’re going to follow exactly what I’ve got written down on this bit of paper, but we are going to start where we’re going to start. And the start that I want to make is to talk to you for a moment about ordinances, or sometimes translated in the authorised version, the King James version of the Bible, as traditions. So this is what 2 Thessalonians 2.15, this is just to get us going and to establish certain things in our mind. This is 2 Thessalonians 2.15, hold, he says, the traditions. We have a tradition, we had a tradition in the UK, particularly England where we had a gospel meeting at 6 30.

    [3:35] But I have to tell you that’s not exactly what Paul is saying when he says, hold the traditions. When he says hold, he’s using a word take hold of, possess, the, handing down, which I suppose what a tradition is, but of course in apostolic literature, it’s the idea of apostolic instructions. So what he’s saying is, hold apostolic instructions, hold the ordinances, hold the traditions. This is 1 Corinthians 11 2. And in 1 Corinthians 11 2, we’re to keep the ordinances. It’s a different word, the idea is we’re to retain them, we’re not to let them slip. So what he’s emphasizing in each of those is this, the absolute importance of apostolic teaching for us to keep, to hold, and not to let slip. And in actual fact, we’re to withdraw ourselves, he says in 2 Thessalonians 3, 6, we’re to withdraw ourselves from every brother who walks disorderly, and not after the traditions, the ordinances which he received of us.

    [4:46] And so in those passages where he speaks about ordinances, and I’ve just picked those out, they are the three in the New Testament, but I’ve just picked them out as a useful start point, the absolute imperative of the Word of God, the imperative of keeping the Word of God and holding to it.

    And especially for us in the day in which we live, we’re thinking in terms of apostolic doctrine from which flows the fellowship that we enjoy.
    And that fellowship was actually that which the apostles enjoyed.
    We enter into that apostolic fellowship.
    Importance of the whole Word of God. Now, we think of this in all sorts of areas and we say, well, take the gospel.
    So, I really believe in the need, the necessity for accurate gospel preaching.

    [5:48] For accurate gospel doctrine. So, if you read in church history and you read all that’s gone on, what you’re reading about is the fact that there were great divisions over what the Bible meant, when it spoke about justification by faith, what it meant in all those areas of gospel truth that we love. And we say, quite rightly, that it’s important that we have that, as it were, nailed down. That’s not a biblical expression, there are no Greek words for that. But to have the doctrine of the gospel firmly in our mind. But if we just say, we must have the doctrine of the gospel firmly in our minds, and it doesn’t matter too much about other stuff, then in actual fact, we’re not doing ourselves any favours. Now, I’m talking a lot, I don’t really mean to.

    It kind of comes natural, so I don’t know if either of you want to add to anything of that or some more.
    No, no, I just thought it was a good point that traditions in itself is not a bad word.
    I thought you pointed that out in the three references there, 1 Corinthians 11, 2, Thessalonians, the two references. There are, of course, the bad traditions of the Pharisees, and maybe you’re gonna get to that later, but the word itself, traditions, is not an evil word.

    [7:10] I don’t know. No, thank you. Anything on that? Yeah, no, I like the way how you introduced it, and I would add, you know, Jude speak of the faith that was passed, and Paul in 2 Timothy speaks of good things, or good deposit, chapter one, so that is the apostolical tradition, and what today we called scripture.

    [7:34] Now, maybe I’d like to go to a next step and then maybe see if we agree.

    Maybe we may agree to disagree on this, but as we read the scripture, you already mentioned the gospel, and as we read the scripture, or as I read the scripture, I see that there are fundamentals.
    Here you have Galatians 1, where it says, cursed anathema be those who change the gospel.
    And that is fundamental.
    And there are doctrinal things within the apostolic culture, or better called within the scripture, that are fundamental.
    Deity of Christ, we just read it.
    Or inspiration of the scripture and all that.
    But I see that there are maybe secondary issues But when we put them on the scale.

    [8:35] We consider them secondary issues.

    And then it’ll be like other issues where we maybe we don’t agree.
    As you know, we have that in Romans chapter 14 and 15.
    Paul already is giving some indications how we to deal with this thing.
    So I consider they are fundamental.
    There are secondary issues. What are the secondary issues? Uh, huh.

    [9:08] Guns at the ready.

    Right, okay.
    Lord’s Supper, okay. You have that, hold on. I never said a word.
    You have in Acts. They were breaking the bread and eating from house to house.
    You have in 1 Corinthians, breaking of bread plus eating. You have in small Hesels in Jude, as far as I can remember, that they were agape, feasts of law.
    And if we want to go further in the Old Testament, there was that remembrance were linked with the meal.
    Okay, so the first Christians, they didn’t have a loaf of bread, They had it actually, but that was part of a meal.

    [10:09] Do we do that today? Well, I’m not sure what you’re suggesting.

    Are you suggesting in that, that the Lord’s Supper was part of a meal?

    [10:17] From Acts, I see that, yeah. Okay, I wouldn’t see that. Now, for all that, it wasn’t until the Apostle Paul came along that the foundation of local church truth was laid.

    So you get in Acts 2, that they continue steadfast to the apostles’ doctrine, of fellowship, breaking of bread, and prayers and so on.
    I take that to be the breaking of the bread, that is when they met together, as we know later in Troas on the first day of the week, in order to break bread.
    I take it that breaking bread from house to house is nothing to do with the Lord’s Supper, I take that to be a common meal.
    Like in Luke 24, where the Lord was made known unto them in the breaking of bread, which, was just simply a common meal.
    And I do feel that there must be a distinction drawn between the general breaking of bread from house to house, and the Lord’s Supper.
    This is a little bit, this is a bit secondary to the main discussion.
    Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So you wouldn’t excommunicate me for that?
    I wouldn’t what? Excommunicate me for that? No, no, it’s just I’m not gonna speak to you again.
    I’m afraid. No, no. You see, so that’s a secondary issue. That is correct.
    But what I would say is this, that I don’t think it would be right if we decided that we would simply, if there’s a few of us having a meal together, break bread in terms of the Lord’s Supper.
    Because that’s clearly an assembly function.

    [11:45] Where the believers at Troas met together on the first day of the week to break bread.

    So I would just draw that distinction. But it’s an interesting group.
    I just threw it to see that there are things when we agree to disagree, but that wouldn’t stop to have fellowship together. None, that’s right.
    I think, like there used to be a breakdown, people would use that in, what is it now?
    In essential things, unity, and non-essential things, liberty, and all things charity.
    Now the trouble with that, as you well know, is that what’s essential and what’s not, right?
    So it doesn’t really help anybody.
    But I think that what I would agree with what Enri is saying in the sense that there are things that a person cannot believe or cannot hold to and still be Christian, if you know what I mean.
    Like you cannot not believe in the deity of Christ and be a Christian.
    There’s an essential nature to that. I would say that I don’t really see two groups, like things that every Christian believes and then things that we all can disagree on.
    I think there is a third group there that it would be very difficult to not hold these doctrines and be in the same local assembly.
    Like, say, the role of men and women.

    [12:54] A person may be Christian and not hold to the view that we see taught in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, but it would be very difficult to be in the same.

    – Because ultimately, a local assembly is a doctrinal fellowship, which is a fellowship that is based on doctrine. Now, I’m listening to all of this, but there is a point that I want to make, which is the whole of doctrine, the whole of Bible teaching, coheres. So it’s not different strands that are hanging down, and the one is not interrelated to the other.
    So Bible doctrine is like a tapestry, or a garment, which is a single thing, and as soon as you start pulling threads, you never know exactly how the state of that garment is going to be.
    So, this leads us on to another thing, which is not in my notes, but here we go.
    One of the things in our present day is my truth, your truth.
    Which, by the way, is a total nonsense.

    [13:55] My truth, your truth. So people say, oh, well, that’s my truth.

    My truth might be actually far removed from the facts of the thing, but it’s my truth.
    That’s what I want it to be. And you say, well, no, no, but my truth is this.
    And do you know something? Where you’ve got your truth and I’ve got my truth and he’s got his truth.
    None of us is wrong. So this is a sort of a post-modern, post-Christian, atheistic world view that there is no such thing as truth. We each have our own truth and each of us is not wrong. This, by the way, for all of you that are students and at universities, this has parallels in modern music and modern art. So if you see Yellow Islands by Jackson Pollock.

    [14:50] Which might be somewhere around here on display, if I remember correctly.

    But if you do, here’s a painting, the last I knew it was worth 52 million quid.
    And the guy poured paint on a canvas and tipped up the canvas and put some yellow splodges on it, called it Yellow Islands, and it would cost you at the last reckoning three or four years ago that I saw it, 52 million.
    If you went to see it, if we went to see it, I’d say to you, what does that represent?
    Tomorrow.
    It represents tomorrow. What does it represent to you? Never seen it.
    No, no, that’s not the point. I suppose you did see it. They’re blue dots still.
    So I might say squash daffodils and you might say car crash.
    So we say to the curator of the museum, what does this mean?
    And he would say, well, it means what you want it to mean, that’s your truth, this is my truth, that’s your truth, there is no absolute, it’s just my truth, your truth, so we all go away happy, well I wouldn’t, but you know, you all go away happy, if you listen to John Cage for 4 minutes 33 seconds, right, the orchestra comes in and the conductor and they’re all set ready to go, except they don’t go anywhere because there’s nothing in the piece of music.
    It’s not piece of music at all. The orchestra’s there in silence.

    [16:13] So you come out at the end of that concert, not that I’ve ever listened to it or whatever you do, I don’t know what you do to that, but you come out at the end of the concert.

    [16:24] And you say, what does that mean to you? And someone would say, oh, it means peace.

    Another person would say, no, it just means death.
    And another person would say this, see, so there’s no absolutes.
    Absolutes, you’re all right, nobody’s wrong, in our my truth, your truth society.

    [16:40] Everybody’s right. Nobody’s wrong. So you can’t judge me. So people talk about you need to be non-judgmental. That’s an atheistic mindset, to be non-judgmental. We do judge ourselves and we know there are standards by the Word of God. Now the great… sorry about for that big diversion, which is not really, it’s now coming back in, which is this, that it’s ever so possible when we come to the Bible to say, well that’s my truth. That’s the way I see it. And if you don’t see it, say, well that’s okay, or this is my truth, or this is your truth. And we end up thinking what that is, is that one opinion is as good as another. Actually, that isn’t true.

    So it comes back to really hermeneutics and how we break down the Bible. Like that has one meaning.
    Yes, exactly right. So it comes back to the Bible study we were talking about a bit yesterday.
    Exactly right. So the Bible, so a passage might have many applications, but ultimately that passage will have one meaning, as coming from God by his Holy Spirit, that passage will have one meaning. So what I’m really saying on this is, it won’t do for us just to say, my opinion is as good as yours. So we come with care to scripture. So I want to speak just for a moment. Sorry, if this is not quite as much discussion, I just want to say this guy, I really think this is important. If it is that we’re coming to the study of Scripture, we really need to get to grips with the detail of what is being said.

    [18:08] It won’t really do to come to scripture and see it as a Monet artwork, just impressionistic.

    We really need to come to scripture and say, it says this, I’m able to tell you it says this.

    [18:22] Because of this, this, this. We compare this scripture with that scripture we recognize.

    So yes, all those important doctrines are there, but what we’re discovering is that the other details are fitting in with that framework of the important doctrine. So the whole thing So I want to encourage all of you to be detailed in your study of the Word of God.
    Start at the beginning of a book and go through to the end, because in our day and generation, and every generation has to get its convictions on what the Bible teaches, let us make sure we get our understanding of the Word of God from God Himself in His Word, by the Spirit of God, and to do so with care.
    Because I’m hearing people say, in effect, my truth, your truth, not in this meeting, but I hear it and I think it’s a serious issue.
    So that’s my first paragraph plus a bit more on my notes.
    And I’d really like to say, has anyone else got anything to say?
    But we’re not going to do that, because it’s down to – is there anything else you want to come back on?
    No, not at the moment.
    Okay. Now, what we’re beginning to go into now is to realize this, that just as there is teaching in Scripture about the gospel and we say we must be accurate in our understanding of that.

    [19:51] The Bible speaks to us about our personal lives, we’ve been thinking about that, so when it comes to our personal behavior, our living, we need to accurately to understand scripture in relation to that. But then there’s a whole range of truth regarding the local assembly.

    [20:09] And as it is that we read about the local assembly, so it is that we really will want to understand what the Bible has to say in relation to it, because this is also really, really important. So we’re living in a day when a whole lot of Christians don’t think twice about where they go to church. They like the pastor, we’ll go there. We like the singing, we’ll go there. They’ve got a great band, we’ll go there. There won’t be anyone coming to Midland Park for that put. Not at the moment, hopefully never. You weren’t there last night, must be. I was. Fantastic.

    Anyway, so people are just pick and mix on the churches that they go to, but when you start reading the Bible and you start understanding that the Bible has teaching regarding the local church and the functions of the local church and the functions of people within the local church, then what you begin to see is this, that it is important to understand that and to apply it and live it out as it is in our own personal Christian lives, as it is in our understanding of the gospel. So we don’t have a hierarchy of things, we.

    [21:25] Say that the whole of God’s word is important and therefore those same things, those same principles of understanding, we apply to our understanding of the local church. So we take notice a thing like this. This is God’s house, not the building. But the local church is in character house of God. So what that means is that we’re not here just for us. We’re, secondary in the whole event. Actually, the local church is for God.

    No, the local church is not for the world.

    [22:12] The local church is firstly for God.

    [22:16] At the local church is of course comprised of his people, saved and baptized.

    But the local church for all it benefits us, for all it helps us in the way that it does, the local church is firstly for God.
    So it’s house of God. Sure.
    So we’re all together on this. Yes. Amen. Amen. This is good. Yeah.

    [22:36] Yeah, I think it’s just an important point like, you know, you Many of us have heard ministry like Shammah defending the lentils or earnestly contending for the faith or Naboth refusing to sell the field.

    And it’s just important to state that if that’s going to be applied, it is applied to things found in the Word of God.
    We don’t contend for our preferences as if it’s the Word of God, if you understand what I’m saying.
    Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so and even that would bear and in the local assembly, Certain things that might differ in the UK versus here and even across North America Yes, so we’ll come to that in just a little bit if I if I can just stop you jumping in otherwise You’re gonna throw me, In respect to this I’ll tell you this way. Okay to the right better point to the right than to the left now, If you were to come to my house in Eastbourne on the south coast of England, by the way if you’re ever in England, you’re very welcome to come to our house. But if you come to our house, for all that you’d be very welcome, you will abide by our rules.

    [23:48] There are certain things that we do in our house and there are certain things that we do not do in our house. And I bear in mind that one day I’ll be responsible to the Lord for what we allow, what we don’t allow in our house. So if you, If you come to my house with your muddy shoes on, as a stupid example, but if you come to my house with muddy shoes on because you’ve been walking over what we call the South Downs, just outside my town, the highest chalk cliffs along the south coast of England, don’t say it’s nowhere near as high as the Grand Canyon, it’s not, okay?

    But it is beautiful. So you’ve been up there walking, you come to my house and you sit on a chair and you put your feet up on my mantelpiece above my open coal fire, I but probably my wife, will say to you, do you mind? Because that doesn’t happen in our house. Suppose someone was to come in our house and light up a cigarette or a vape, we’d say sorry that doesn’t happen in our house and and I am entitled to say that to, Because it’s my house. I pay the bills. I cut the grass. It’s my house, so my rules apply.
    To you.

    [25:01] So it’s not just simply that I live there. Now I might say to you, oh come and stay with us.

    So you might actually come and have two weeks with us. That’s a stretch by the way, but you might come and have two weeks with us, so you will be, it will be your habitation while you’re there.
    You are in residence for the time that you’re there, but it’s not your house.
    Now the local church is God’s habitation, he is there, but it’s also his house.
    So the idea is that, is that his rules apply. In other words, God is the ultimate authority in relation to the local assembly. So when we’re thinking about assembly truth, I just feel That is the first thing that we need to take account of.
    So this is what Timothy is saying, Paul is saying to Timothy in chapter 1 verse, in chapter 3, that thou mightest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in house of God, that which characteristically is house of God, church of the living God.
    So that’s history. You want anything to add to that? Nope, I fully agree.
    Right, you’re going to add something to this in just a moment.

    [26:15] So, you come to the Bible, and that’s how it is, and you recognize therefore that what’s important is not what you want, and it’s not your own personal predilection, but the thing that you earnestly desire is that which glorifies God. And how do you know what glorifies God? You know what glorifies God because Actually, it’s revealed in his word. Mm-hmm.

    Now, what then is established is a principle. And the principle that is established is that the local church is God’s.

    [26:49] Yeah, very good. So you read the Bible and you see there are certain things that are to pertain in the local church.

    So there is a distinction between the sexes.
    So passages like 1 Corinthians 11, 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 2, these are distinguishing between the sects.
    You do discover things like they remembered the Lord at the Lord’s Supper, as we’ve been speaking about before.
    That that happened, it’s the Lord’s desire that that happened.

    [27:17] The local church must be a place where it is possible for spiritual gift to be exercised.

    And there must be liberty for all spiritual gifts to be exercised within and around and for the building up of the local church, in whatever way.
    So we have that as a principle.
    There’s no need for me to enlarge on that, I’m sure, but we have that as a principle, except I would just say this to you, get your convictions about that.
    Don’t just piggyback other people. Get your convictions. But here now, is where I’m gonna stop talking.
    The other thing, let’s start.
    The working out of those principles, is going to vary from place to place and time to time.
    So I’ve got news for you. None of us is, say, dressed, in the same way as they came to meetings 150 years ago.
    William Kelly came to meetings 150 years ago, yes, 150 years ago, and he didn’t look like you in attire.

    [28:22] And the women didn’t look like you women are dressed.

    And it may be that if you turned up at their meetings, they would be aghast at the way you dress.
    And if someone came in, if people came in dressed like that to our meetings, from then we’d be aghast.
    So there’s a… so? So the Bible has to speak about dress. It speaks about modesty of dress for women.
    It’s saying that dress is not to reveal, it is to cover. But the outworking of that is going to be different from generation to generation, as with speech, as with deportment.
    So spiritual principles are capable of application in all generations and culture.
    So tell us how Albania is different from here. Okay, so not from here.

    [29:16] You see, I moved from Albina to Northern Ireland, and I told them that the sisters don’t wear hats in our meeting.

    But I added that they wear veils. And actually, you can see here, the gospel came from the Italians, and as I can see, some sisters from South America, they wear veils, because the veil is more appropriate for our culture.
    And actually it was for Italian culture and then that was replicated into Albania.
    Yeah.
    It’s all the same principle of the head covering, but application of it, heart, bary or veil as is applied.

    [30:00] Yeah, so that’s an example of that. I did preach in Northern Ireland once that I thought a veil was actually better than a hat. I’ve sat in meetings and I’ve had hats in front of me where I thought there might be a bird nesting in them. And it seems to me that doesn’t quite have the spirit of head covering teaching, that they didn’t quite appreciate it, to be quite honest with you. But this is a serious matter. I don’t mean to make it light. The point being that the head covering, the head is covered in Albania in that way. And so.

    [30:42] That might be a difference and a distinction. I travel to Sri Lanka and in Sri Lanka, you know I’m traveling from the rich West and I’m traveling to a totally impoverished country. I’m out with believers where they have nothing, I mean they have nothing. We were preaching the gospel three years ago probably now, at a man’s house who had fairly recently been saved. It was a brick house that had been built by a charity. The night before we got there wild elephants had, got to the house, they’d smelt grain, they tried to get the grain, they tried to push the house over to get the grain, suddenly realized these elephants that there was a grain store down the road and they went and demolished this brother’s grain store. So, we’re preaching the gospel and I had to tell you, you know, he was… I didn’t think for a moment about what he was wearing. I, actually do at home, but I didn’t think about what he was wearing because actually all he was wearing was all he had.

    [31:45] I looked at the man and I thought, this is amazing, he was as happy as today and tomorrow and eternity that the gospel was being preached under his awning of his house and all these Muslim and Buddhist and Catholic neighbours were all there hearing the gospel.

    So in Sri Lanka, the outworking of those principles that we seek to work out here will be done in a slightly different way because of their culture, because of their economic situation, because of the point, for instance, there’s differences simply because it’s absolutely boiling hot all the year round.
    We’re preaching in 37 degrees with almost 100% humidity, not humility.
    That too. Should be 100% humility, 100% humidity we’re preaching in there.
    So they’re looking to work out the self-same principles, but they will do so in their culture and they will do so in the way that honors God where they are.
    So the working out of biblical principle will differ according to where you are and timing.
    But the thing about biblical principle is that it is capable of being outworked in every place.

    [33:00] At every time, in every generation, in every circumstance.

    So there’s no point saying, no point preaching, no point laying down some kind of law that it must be done in that way, if in fact it can’t be done in that way anywhere where biblical principle is being espoused.
    I think that’s a really, really important point, that what we teach must be capable of abdication everywhere that there are believers who are meeting together.
    Do you want to add anything else to that? No. Okay, I must have been speaking too much.
    Again, I do apologise.
    Now, there’s a spirit in which biblical principles have to be applied, a proper spirit.
    I think that’s a big thing, isn’t it, amongst us?
    To have a proper spirit.
    So it seems to me that on this area of things, that there’s two things that must be avoided.
    The first is what I think has often been called looseness.

    [33:58] So, under that you can’t pick and choose what biblical principles to uphold.

    This comes back to the point we had at the beginning. You can’t pick and choose.
    It’s not a pick and mix, shelf or store. This is Bible teaching is to be upheld.
    We can’t ignore certain parts of it.
    So that’s where we’re seeking to apply biblical principle, but we fall short of what should be because it might not fit in with our personal preference.
    Well, I won’t do. Might not fit in with what they do up the road, and they’re a very successful church, you know, up the road.
    So we say, well, they don’t do that, so why should we? And you know, in an assembly setting, it comes back to this, that this is God’s house and so because it’s God’s house, we need to make sure that we’re not kind of loose in the way that we apply things.

    [35:04] The other thing, I think this is diminishing, but the other side of it is that biblical principle can be applied in a very iron-fisted, legalistic way. And what that does is diminish the principle that you’re seeking to uphold. So here’s an example. There was a great brother, he’s with the Lord now, called Mr. Fred Clulow, and he was in the Cloughfern Assembly in Belfast, And he had a great Belfast sense of humour.

    And he used to tell me that just after the war, he was in one of the meetings in Belfast, he was in fellowship there.
    And two things happened. Number one, the elders insisted that the sisters wore their hats on the way to the meeting.

    [36:05] And I think that’s probably not just in Belfast, but that’s happened.

    So the Bible teaches really that the sisters should have their heads covered and the men should not have their heads covered in the gatherings of the assembly.

    [36:24] But they were insisting beyond that. And what they were doing was insisting that women should have their heads covered on the way to the meeting.

    You just can’t substantiate that from Scripture.
    And it seems to me that if you do try and substantiate that from Scripture, you are actually diminishing the principle that you’re trying to uphold.
    By the same token, the elders used to say to the men in the meeting, they had to wear hats.
    No baseball caps, I doubt, back then, but hats, trilbies, bowler hats maybe, caps.
    And do you know why they had to do that?
    So that when they got to the open air, they could take them off.
    So everybody would see that the males didn’t have their heads covered in meetings.
    So that might be not a very clever example, but it’s something that I want us to understand.
    That if it is that you go beyond and apply what you deem to be a principle in an iron-fisted way and beyond what the Bible teaches, so if looseness comes short of it, legalism goes beyond what the Bible teaches. And that being the case, it diminishes the very thing that, you were trying to uphold. I’m sure there’s other examples of that.

    [37:42] Well, I’ll tell you one. I think you both got wedding rings on. I don’t. That’s because…

    I don’t know why really. Well, if I was getting married now, I would do. But I’m married 45 years and people did wear wedding rings. Not everybody did. But now, now people have said, that men shouldn’t wear wedding rings. Because James says about a man coming with a gold ring on. It’s absolutely nothing to do with wedding rings.
    Can I add something?

    [38:17] Yeah, please. And if you’d come in Albania without a wedding ring, you’ll be considered a very dodgy man if you’re married, because you’re not trying to tell others that you’re married.

    Yes, exactly. So coming back to if I was getting married again, no, if I was getting married now. I didn’t really, don’t tell my wife. That was a Freudian slip. Scratch that. If I was getting married now, I would certainly have a wedding ring. For that reason. To show women and in our society men, that I actually am a married man. Thank you. And I’m married my wife. So you can’t then say you shouldn’t wear a wedding ring because James says if a man comes to your assembly wearing a gold ring, it’s obviously talking about showiness in James.
    And the exhibition of riches. So you can take that scripture and you can apply it in that really legalistic way and you’ve undermined what James is saying.

    [39:23] A big one that maybe gets used and then undermined is the one on order. Perhaps you’ve heard that quite a bit that everything needs to be done in order. Like I know cultures where that is applied to mean that the men and women should sit on opposite sides of an auditorium because it will be distracting and if they’re together. And I’m not saying that shouldn’t happen in certain cultures, if that’s what they do, but you can understand why bringing that over to a culture where, or enforcing that on another, you could see how that’s going beyond whether it’s order or, that principle, 1 Corinthians. Yeah, so legality is not obedience to what is written, but it’s an insistence on going beyond what is written. So what that means is this, that we have a duty to obey God in all that he’s taught but to do so in a balanced manner. So we make sure we don’t fall short.

    [40:24] So if the Bible… just come back to this matter of head coverings because it’s a, bit of a hot potato in certain parts and in certain circumstances. If we come back, to what the Bible says about head coverings, which by the way apply to the men as much as to the women, that the men are not to have head coverings, the women are to have head coverings in meetings. If we come back to that, it’s, possible to say, well, hmm, yeah, okay, but I feel very uncomfortable wearing a head covering at a gospel meeting.

    [40:59] But there’s a principle underlying all of this, which is that whenever it is that we gather together in the presence of God, that’s the principle, that when we gather together, in the presence of God, that men should have their heads uncovered and women should really have their heads covered.

    You can apply that in all kinds of other situations. So we might say, well, okay, 1 Corinthians 11 is about the local assembly, which I take, it to be, but at the same time there is clearly a principle that is undergirding that, which, is the distinction between the sexes and in the presence of God, that to be observed and, the men’s… Yes, please.
    Can I ask you a question? Should, in your opinion, women have their heads covered at a wedding? Yes, I do think so.
    Okay. And at funerals. Okay.
    For that reason, it seems to me there’s an underlying principle, which is that you are gathered together in the presence of God, and that being the case, knowing what we do know from 1 Corinthians 11, there should be an observation of that principle.
    Now it seems to me that not to do that falls short.
    Of the observance of the principle. There’s a deathly silence come over there.
    Yeah, we’re all waiting when your ticket out of here is.
    I’m not sure I’m getting it.

    [42:23] So I’m just stating it as I see it. There is an undergirding principle on 1 Corinthians 11. I believe that to be the case.

    I would say that just, I would not take the view that women should have their heads covered at funerals, weddings. The gospel meeting is an interesting one that I won’t go down just now, but funerals and weddings. And I think that the principle in 1 Corinthians 11 is bound by, as it is in all the churches. So I think it is referring not just in that context to assembly meetings, but exclusively to meetings of a local church. So I wouldn’t take it beyond, a meeting that is not a meeting of the local assembly. Okay, so I hear what you’re saying. I don’t agree. We would differ, yeah. Yeah, we would.
    And so I take that in 1 Corinthians 11 as in all the churches. Yes, he is saying that, but my point is there is something underlying and undergirding that whole thing, which is there’s an order of headship which is creatorial. That is to be observed amongst the Lord’s people and it’s particularly to be observed amongst the Lord’s people where it is that they gather together in the presence of God. So at a wedding, I don’t know how it is, but, the preamble to the wedding vows in England would be, we’re gathered here to gather in the presence of God to unite this man and this woman in holy matrimony.
    But to me, if you’re in the presence of God, this counts.

    [43:49] Because maybe we’re directing here, but you’re rooting here.

    So, and what about in the Bible study in my home?
    No, I’m not telling you what I believe, but what I see from 1 Corinthians 11, but let’s say.
    No, we want to know what you believe.
    You have in Acts, when Aquila and Priscilla.

    [44:13] They took up polos, and they were expounding scripture to him.

    So what was the whom Bible study?
    When that sister had the head covered, or better, when that brother had the head covered?
    Well, the point to me with Priscilla and Aquila is that they’re in a domestic situation.
    So they’re not meeting together in the presence of God, as we would say in meetings, or as I would say, in funerals and in weddings.
    So they’re just in the domestic circumstances. So we know that they taught them, the way of God more perfectly.
    So Priscilla was doing teaching as well as Aquila. In fact, Priscilla might have been, more than, she might have been.
    You know, it happens, and you know, good. Perfect, now.
    I feel like he’s getting me in a trap here. Nope. I love you, brother.

    [45:04] Now, let’s go back to the wedding. Okay.

    So a wedding ceremony, a beautiful thing, you know, I’ve been married and in a wedding ceremony and all that, but if we want to go deep, deep, it’s not scripture.
    You know what I mean? Okay, so whenever in the scripture, we see a man and a woman coming and then preaching on the wedding and they exchange vows, you know, in the new Testament, in that sense.
    Okay. You know what I mean? No, not really. Okay. So there is a couple.
    Say that again. Okay. Okay. So.

    [45:48] You have a couple, right? And they get married and to the gospel hall, right? She’s from wherever, he’s from wherever, come together, all the assembly come together, visitors and whatever.

    So if we want to be, you know, picky in a way, that’s not scriptural, because we don’t have a a wedding ceremony as such, as we do today.

    [46:14] In the New Testament, or in Google Fox, or elsewhere.

    At that wedding, or that marriage, or another marriage who is being celebrated at the borough council office, is as valid, I believe, as that that has been celebrated in the gospel hall.
    You know what I mean? Yes, that is the case, because ultimately, the marriage that you contracted, is according to the law of the land.
    Absolutely. And according to the law of the land in a lot of places, I don’t know, we’re everywhere, but I have to say, I had to say to my wife, I don’t know of any lawful impediment why I shouldn’t marry you, and she had to say the same to me.
    And I take you to be my wife, and she says the same to me, except I’m her husband.
    So those vows have to be, so what you’re saying is that you’re as much married if you exchange those vows in the office of the registrar that’s deaths and marriages as you are if you get married in the gospel. I think you’re saying you shouldn’t get married in the gospel. No I’m not saying that I’m saying that we have the liberty to do that yes but that marriage is as valid in the gospel hall is as valid as being done at the registry office, you know what I mean?
    Yes. soon.

    [47:28] And that means we have the liberty. So brother so-and-so and sister so-and-so who got married in registry office are as married as myself who got married in the Gospel Hall.

    And that is a liberty that we see from the Scripture.
    And the woman who’s getting married might have to have a, might in best part of her wardrobe, have a veil on, but it’s part of the ceremony where she might have to take that off, to exchange a kiss, if you do that in the UK as well. I don’t know, I don’t want to, make things awkward for you.
    Best bit of the wedding, right? And she might also have to say a few words, which of course, you know, silence of women, but I digress.
    Yes, so we recognize that both a wedding and a funeral are slightly different from normal church meetings.
    Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Yes, but my point is this, that the undergirding principle is the same, which we gather together in the presence of God and is to be observed. I believe in that. Now, we could flog that forever and ever, so we’re going to draw a line under that. So those are interesting, things. Here’s another one, all right? We all like examples. I can see you’re all Cracking your ears up on some of this stuff, so this is good.
    What about letters of commendation?

    [48:53] So to me, a letter of commendation is a very good practice.

    [49:00] But if anybody says we cannot receive anybody without a letter of commendation, they’re going beyond what the scripture teaches about letters of commendation.

    So if you go somewhere to another assembly, it is good for you to take a letter of commendation.
    Of course it is, apart from the fact that it’s the assembly you’re going from, saying you have our commendation, you know it’s carrying greetings and all that from one assembly to the other and that’s good. I suppose actually you had to go there with no notice, you suddenly were in another place, you had a family emergency so you had to travel and you turn up, you want to remember the Lord and the Lord’s Day morning and you don’t have a letter of commendation or you’re telling them you’re coming but you don’t have a letter of commendation, it would be well out of order for the receiving assembly, if they were to not, I say the receiving assembly, if in fact they didn’t receive you simply because you weren’t carrying a bit of paper.

    [50:04] Because the principle is not that you’re received only with a letter of commendation, the principle is that you are received on the basis of who you are, the life you’re living and all those sorts of things, a letter of commendation just makes that easier. So what I’m saying is this, it is good practice, but if there is an iron insistence that you cannot be received without a letter, you’re going beyond what Scripture says. Now, not many people are nodding on that, but I want you to think about that. I am not trying to diminish the value of a letter of commendation. I really am not, but it can be diminished by insisting on something that Scripture doesn’t actually teach as a principle. So it’s good practice. Do you Do you want to say anything on that?

    Or is it too much of a? No, can I add something?
    Yes, please. Right, 2,000 years ago, the letters were the only way of communication. Yes.
    Today, we have more ways of communication. Exactly.
    And between the two assemblies, between the apostle and an assembly, a local church, Corinthians or anywhere, the only way was a letter.

    [51:12] Today, we have emails, we have phone calls, we have, I don’t know, And that letter was there to make sure that the brother or the sister or the person was going to be accepted in this new place where he was going, that he was a real Christian and he was not there as an imposter.

    So.

    [51:37] The same principle applies. So the way of communications have changed today, have improved, so why not use them?

    Yeah, it can be an email of commendation, sorry. No, and I think, I’ll have to think about what you said, but on the other side, having a letter shouldn’t be a free ride, if you will, to any assembly.
    After all, if somebody has a letter and it says such and such gospel hall, well, what does that place believe? Especially if you don’t know the brethren who are signing the letter or the place, you’ve never heard of it.
    It’d be a very dangerous thing to just receive with a letter, right?
    So just on the other side of it. Yeah, absolutely. So care has to be taken all the ways around, in that particular area of things.

    [52:20] Good. Now, examples could be multiplied. It’s probably not a good idea to do it, but examples could be multiplied.

    But I wonder if we could just grasp really what we’re trying to say, which is this, that we need to understand with the Lord’s help what the Bible is actually teaching, and do our level best with the Spirit’s help to be obedient to it, not to fall short of it, not to go beyond it.
    So what that means is then that not with looseness, not with legality, but we ought to do that with love for Christ.
    So this comes back to putting Christ in central place in all of our thinking.
    And love for Christ, to me, will answer a whole lot of questions in these sorts of areas that we’re talking about. So I love my wife, just to take a lesser example, but I love my wife. We’ve been married 45 years. You know, there’s all sorts of things I could say about that, like murderers get less and all that, but I’m not. But we’ve been married for 45 years, so I love my wife. I’m commanded to love, I love, have always loved, God willing, will.
    Because I love my wife, there are certain things I will not do.
    And because I love my wife, there are certain things I will do.

    [53:46] And those things that I won’t do, it’s not because there’s a law against them.

    And the things that I will do is not because there’s a law that I must do.
    So it’s not prohibition or that which is mandatory.
    But I love my wife.
    Now, bring that kind of idea into the assembly. To me a whole lot of questions disappear because if I love the Lord, if we together love the Lord and put Him in His first place, that will lead to loyalty to Him.

    [54:23] And where it is that there is loyalty to Christ, there’s a desire to please Him.

    So change the picture and think of athletics.
    So this is the Olympics now.
    In the Olympics, you don’t go in order to win the bronze and you don’t go in order to win the silver, but you do whatever it takes to win the gold. To me in Christian life and living, the big thing is not just to be in the race and not to be happy with bronze or silver in pleasing the Lord, but to go for gold. That might mean you’re misunderstood and it might mean that people might think you’re a bit odd, bizarre, but brothers and sisters, at the, judgment seat, that’s what it’s all about. It’s all about love to Christ, loyalty to Christ, fidelity to Christ, and that involves the working out to gold, standard, as the Lord enables us, of the teaching of his word.
    Amen. In the kind of manner that we’ve been thinking of. Now, either of you want to add anything?
    We’re pretty well locked.

    [55:40] Well, I’ve got one more point, which is this, let us make sure that we do not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    [55:49] So, are we living in a changing world? We are. Are things likely to change in our outworking of principle as time goes by?

    Yes, but be careful because I have seen assemblies where I live that were good going, strong, biblical assemblies, and they decided they’d introduce this, which didn’t seem much, introduce that, which didn’t seem much, and in due course of time, over 20-30 years, what’s happened is this, that what didn’t seem much suddenly became an awful lot. You know, how it is, if you get to a fork in the road, it might be just a very small angle, but you follow it down and it gets wider and wider and wider apart, it’s like that, in biblical things and the great possibility is that we can say well that doesn’t matter so much, that doesn’t matter. I’ve seen these assemblies and they’ve become very far removed from any biblical model of a local church and it, all began with very small things. So I’m not saying we’d have to have a thin end of the wedge mentality, that can be very destructive and negative but we really need to be careful that as times change, as we work out biblical principles in different ways, that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. You, understand the expression? Balance. Balance. Balance. Balance is the thing.

    [57:14] It seems to me that like, it seems to me, just if I can understand the balanced spiritual believer, that person would probably be called both a liberal and a, legalist, because they’re in neither camp, right?

    From a liberal or a loose, as you termed it, they’d be viewed as very legalistic and rigid.
    But then from people who are going beyond, they’d be viewed as loose.

    [57:41] So it’d be a very uncomfortable position to be a balanced believer.

    Yeah, you’ll get it from both sides.
    But the ultimate thing, and we’ll finish on this, the ultimate thing is this.
    Is it well-pleasing to the Lord? Yeah.
    Is the only question to answer. Is it well pleasing to the Lord? And in that, let us all seek to go for the gold standard. Well, anyway, may the Lord bless the time, that we spent to, you know, sometimes things like this stimulate our thinking about what the Bible teaches, and that’s what I hoped might be the outcome. I hope that’s the outcome, And may the Lord bless us all together.

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  • Ministry (J Baker)

    Stamp eternity on me.

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    [0:00] Close out my little sketch on godliness. I admit that that’s what it’s been, an amateur sketch, but it has been a burden on my own heart personally, and hopefully it will be a blessing to especially those of you who are younger.

    1st Corinthians 15, and we’ll just read at verse 19. The Apostle Paul says, If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
    And drop down to verse 58, this was read at the hymn sing yesterday, Therefore my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, for as much as you know that your labor is not in vain in, the Lord. And then over to 1st Timothy again, chapter 4. 1st Timothy, chapter 4.

    [0:54] But refuse profane and old wives’ fables and exercise, discipline thyself rather unto godliness, for bodily exercise profiteth little.

    But godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and, of that which is to come.”, Yesterday, really, by and large, we were looking at the imperative in this section for godliness.
    The Apostle Paul is telling his son in the faith, Timothy, Timothy, go in for this. Discipline yourself.
    Put your all into this. This is vitally important.
    It’s a command that the Apostle Paul is giving to Timothy.
    Discipline yourself for godliness.
    And in the next 20 or so minutes, I want to look at the, not the imperative, but the incentive.
    Why?

    [1:47] If godliness, as I hope you would have agreed with me, is a great need, a crying need in our country for godliness, and yet if it’s a very difficult thing as we try to look at, like, if we take some of those things on board, it’s going to mean practically making real changes in our everyday schedule to make time for disciplines of prayer, Bible reading, and loads of other things that we didn’t mention.

    If it’s going to be that much work, if it’s going to be, as our brother said, going to the spiritual gym, is it really worth it?
    And Paul is going to answer that in these verses. He’s going to give the incentive.
    And we use that today. I have a relative who was told—he’s not very old, but he was told from a young age that if he did not shore up his diet, he was going to pass away rather suddenly when he reached 50.
    And he was told that, you know, he really should improve his diet and stop eating this and stop eating that, and, you know, it’s not very good for his diabetes and not very good for his heart, and he didn’t really care until that nurse told him just straight out, you’re going to die at 50, man.

    [3:02] And then the incentive made him make radical changes in his life.

    And I think we all live in that way, whether it’s business or school or family, we live, by incentives. Richard Dawkins, Professor Dawkins, who usually is quoted for the ridiculous things he says, he has said something that’s rather witty. He said on this topic of incentives, he said, I’ve noticed that the rabbit runs faster than the fox because the rabbit is running for his life.
    The fox is running for his lunch.
    You see, incentives, they play a role. And what the Apostle Paul is telling Timothy is, Timothy, godliness, vitally important. As the baton of testimony is being passed, no more apostolic succession. It is going out to Timothy and Titus. They’re going to appoint elders.
    And as the baton is being passed, here’s the great principle that’s going to govern how the church should function in a spiritual way, godliness, godliness. But it’s going to, take a lot of work. But here’s the incentive. Paul says this, 1 Timothy 4 and verse 7.

    [4:16] 4, verse 8, because bodily exercise, perhaps referring to some of the things being talked about in the background here in 1 Timothy, some of those fastings and don’t eat these foods and keep these holy days. He said bodily training, bodily discipline profits. It has some benefit for a little, but godliness is profitable unto all things. Then he’s going to explain that.

    What do you mean, Paul, all things? He says it has a promise. It has a promise for the life that now is and of that which is to come. Two incentives for godliness. Number one, it, will radically and greatly benefit the life that now is. It will change this life. But the Apostle is moving to also what we’ve just concluded with there with our brother Ian, of that which is to come. But let me just begin with this part, the life that now is. We talked about this yesterday in the panel. You You see, godliness frees a man, although it is discipline, godliness frees a man to live as man was intended to live.
    How were you intended to live?
    Were you intended to live for your job?

    [5:38] Were you intended to live for your family? The Bible says we were made by Him, through Him, for Him. Godliness frees a person to live as they were intended to live.

    And as a result, godliness will make a person’s life, in this life, the most beneficial.
    Now, I don’t want you to get the wrong idea. I’m not saying that if you have a biology test that if you study your Bible you’re gonna ace the test.

    [6:13] That’s ridiculous. In fact, that’s probably ungodliness. You should be a good steward when you’re a biology student, right? Nor am I saying that when somebody is godly—I would never want to give this impression. I hope that the challenge has been heard, by the way, during the conference, that there may be, young men, young women, families here who the Lord is calling, and if they were to take godliness seriously and see themselves in the sight of God, the Lord is calling to devote themselves to serving in a different way. But please understand godliness has far more to do in preaching and teaching. Godliness comes right down to how you go to work on Monday. Says the Apostle in Ephesians 6, he says that when a person goes to work who’s godly, they don’t do it with eye service. As a man pleaser, they serve Christ when they’re going to work from their heart. So please understand that godliness is far more than just preaching and teaching, which is a very specific group of people who God is so gifted to do that. Please understand it has to do with the wife, and has to do with the mother, and has to do with the person who’s going to work, or the student in school. And it has a promise for the life that now is, that I will be what would change my marriage, what would make my marriage the marriage it was intended to be.

    Would it be more date nights? My wife says probably, but no.
    Would it be more vacations, cruises?

    [7:36] It would change greatly if I was more godly.

    [7:43] And it would change greatly if you were more godly. And we sacrifice that, and we fill that, and substitute that, and supplement that with, all the other things to our own detriment.

    We really do. This holds promise for the life that now is, whether it’s our families, our jobs, and many of these other things.
    But I want to move to this second point. Not just where we’re at today.
    Surely godliness would change, even as you’ve heard today, our local assemblies.
    Like imagine, and it’ll be easier for you to imagine the person you maybe don’t like.
    What if that person was more godly?

    [8:31] But then imagine if you were more godly, in your assembly, like imagine how it would change our conversations.

    Imagine how it would raise the fellowship. We call it fellowship, but really it might just be socializing, right?
    We talk about where we went on vacation and what we’re… But fellowship is about Christ and about His Word and about eternity.
    Imagine how it would raise if we were all just a bit more godly, right?
    It would change everything, in my opinion, and I know it’s easy to exaggerate, but I really believe that.
    I really think it would change so much in this life.
    But says the apostle, godliness holds promise, Timothy, not only for the life that now is, but also for that which is to come.
    You see, the power of perspective is a big thing. I’ve appreciated this, actually, going through the life of David, just in my own reading a couple of weeks ago. Interesting to notice the perspectives of David, right?
    Like as he comes to the Valley of Elah and his brother says, oh, you’ve left those few sheep in the wilderness, and David says, they were my father’s sheep.

    [9:50] And then they’re all worried about this giant, this man of war from his youth.

    And David says, who is this dog?
    And then they say, well, how can we take him? We’re just servants of Saul.
    And David says, who is this that defies the armies of the living God?
    Perspective.
    His perspective is just totally changed. Humorously, somebody said like this, that David went into the, that when the people were standing in the Valley of Elah, they said, Oh, he’s so big.
    We can never win.

    [10:26] And David said he’s so big, I couldn’t miss.

    You see, perspective, perspective, it changes things. And wouldn’t it change things if we had an eternal perspective? It was a man by the name, we wouldn’t certainly agree with everything he did, but nonetheless, he was a great man here in the United States by the name of Jonathan Edwards.
    As a young man, only 18 years old, he wrote this, resolved. I love that word, resolve.
    Resolve, kind of like the word henceforth.
    Things are changing today. Resolve to live as I shall wish I had done when I come to die.
    Resolve to live as I shall wish I had done 10,000 years from now.
    And he prayed this very famously known, Lord, stamp eternity on my eyeballs.

    [11:25] He understood that Christian life, and you read through the New Testament, Christian life must be lived through the lens of eternity, with an eternal perspective.

    And I don’t know if we live that way, especially here, those of us who are here in North America.
    I was very troubled. I hope you don’t think this is too controversial. I was just very troubled when I heard an apologetic that was floating around, I’ve heard it in the broader evangelical world for years, but then it was coming a little bit close to home, and I heard somebody use this and they said, it seemed like a great one, right? It seemed like a winner. They said, you know, this This is what I tell people who are not saved.
    I tell them, if I’m wrong, I’ve lost nothing.

    [12:17] But if you’re wrong, you’ve lost everything.

    I don’t know if you’ve used that. It seems pretty powerful, like it’s a winner.
    If I’m wrong, I’m right. If you’re wrong, of course I’m right.
    Right? The problem is it’s not biblical. You know what the apostle said?
    If only I had hope in this life, I am, of all people, the most to be pitied.
    He said, if I’m wrong, I’ve lost everything.
    Imagine that apologetic, imagine it. Imagine looking at William Tyndale being burnt at the stake, and saying, if I’m wrong, I’ve lost nothing. Nonsense! It’s talking about living for a coming age. And brothers and sisters, we are destined for eternity.
    Sometimes we preach this in the gospel, right? If you died tonight, where would you be? Are you ready to meet God? Brothers and sisters, are you ready to to meet Christ?
    Are you happy to meet Christ the way you’re living? Am I?

    [13:38] We preach eternity. Honestly now, I don’t—I wonder if we were to take a poll.

    I know for myself, this is what awakened me when it came to salvation. It wasn’t the beauties of Christ. It wasn’t His love. It was the reality of eternity. And I think that the reality of eternity needs to wake Christians up again. Eternity! Eternity! That’s what the apostle is saying here, that this is what godliness holds value for, the life that is to come.
    And so Paul is telling Timothy, Timothy, listen, you might not get all the dividends here, surely you won’t. There’s going to come a time later, 2 Timothy, he’s going to say, they’re going to have itching ears, they’re not even going to want to listen to you.

    [14:21] But you’re still going to have to preach the word, because there’s one who is ready to judge, and you’re preaching ultimately for him. And this is about eternity, Timothy. And the apostle, as he faced all kinds of things, the Apostle Paul, judgments that were coming. Are you really an apostle? He said, listen, it’s a small thing if you judge. I don’t even, I’m not even the final judge myself. It’s almost like the Apostle Paul consistently was living like this thing from Jonathan Edwards. Eternity imprinted, stamped on the eyeball. That’s pretty vivid, right?

    Eternity. Could you imagine? Could you imagine looking at your life? I want to tell you that the ideologies in this world, like this quote-unquote American dream, is totally against what I’m saying here tonight, today. It is totally against this view of eternity. The American dream, is not great indulgence, it’s just have a good life. Like, get married, raise a lovely family, Send them to nice colleges, retire early, relax, enjoy that retirement.

    [15:35] And Paul says, no, it’s not about this life. It’s about eternity! Eternity!

    It’s about the age to come. This is dress rehearsal, right? And as we heard, I would go a long way with what my brother said yesterday. Godliness, it is filling a capacity that we will enjoy. Enjoy Christ for eternity. We’re all going to heaven, those of us who are saved.
    We’re all justified by faith in the Lord Jesus, but we’re not all going to enjoy it the same way.
    I think it was David Gooding who put it like a Christmas party or some kind of a party, and everybody’s coming and everyone’s going to have a good time.
    But he says, you know, the little toddler who comes, who just gets a bit of the cream, from the birthday cake or the Christmas cake, and that toddler just enjoys that cake until he passes out. He still enjoys the party, it’s great. Then he moves on to a little bit older, and they’re playing with the trains, and they’re playing with the toys, and they’re enjoying it way more than the toddler, but they’re still enjoying it. Then he moves on to the kids who are having snowball fights outside, and they’re enjoying the party a lot more, and they’ve even got gifts for one another. But then he moves on to the mature, the mature people who sit at the the table and they enjoy the other things too, but they’re really coming into the good and the full blessing.

    [17:03] You see, we’re all going to enjoy heaven, but we’re not all going to enjoy it to the same extent.

    [17:11] Please understand, like I can’t live the way I’m living and one day get to heaven and say, Paul, you and I are going to enjoy heaven the exact same.

    Are we living for eternity? And that’s what godliness has the benefit for.
    I think eternity is really quite an awesome thing to think about. What is eternity?
    Spurgeon I think explained it in relation to time. Any explanation or analogy fails, right, when we’re talking about the eternal as we have heard. But he said, time is like a drop of water. Eternity is like an ocean. I ask, you again, I challenge you, especially young people. I appreciate you staying this late in the conference in the middle of a school semester. Listen, are, Are you living for the drop of water?
    Is it all about the drop of water?
    What about the ocean?
    What about eternity?
    Lord, stamp eternity on my eyeballs.

    [18:32] Someone has said, five minutes inside eternity. Now again, I don’t know how much shame we will have, but he put it like this, five minutes inside eternity.

    We will all wish that we had sacrificed more, wept more, grieved more, prayed more, and given more.
    Like just imagine, imagine. We were singing this morning hymns to the Lord Jesus Christ.
    We’ve just been hearing about the one who is in glory today.
    Imagine, like we say this in the gospel, right? Before the night is over.
    Imagine if tomorrow you and I were looking into the face of the Lord Jesus.

    [19:17] Are you happy with how you’re living? Says the apostle, godliness has profit.

    Godliness pays dividends in the life that is to come.
    I’ve been thinking in a few ways, the eternal perspective. in the gospel, believe it or not, I’m a fairly shy person myself, and I find it a difficulty to share the gospel, and I don’t want to ruin anybody’s day, and I know that they would rather talk about politics and who I like in the election, and who won the Michigan football game, and but the moment that you start talking about spiritual things, I realize that people turn off to that.
    Anyone like that here? Do you know that sharing the gospel is a spiritual discipline? We’re not all supposed to share it the same way. Not everyone is a preacher, right? Not everyone can write really nice tracts, but we’re all supposed to share it. Every believer is supposed to share the gospel. Says again, Mr. Spurgeon, a Christian is either a missionary or an imposter.
    Gulp. You’re either sharing it, and you’re a Christian, or you’re not a Christian.

    [20:32] But, but, ah, I just don’t know how to bring it up. Now, I don’t want to come up with just some simplistic answer, but one thing that’s helped me is thinking about eternity, that my neighbor is actually going to a place where the fire never quenches. And the worm doesn’t die.

    [20:57] And a co-worker and a friend. Lord, stamp eternity on my eyeballs.

    Remove the indifference and the coldness, right? This is what Asaph was thinking when he was envious of the wicked, and then he goes into the sanctuary, right? We were talking about that for godliness. He goes into the sanctuary and then he understands their end.
    And he actually has pity for them. They’re in slippery places. They’ll pass away in a moment.
    Eternity changes the perspective. Eternity from the vantage of looking at trials from the vantage point of eternity. You get that with the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians.
    Likely, in this conference, behind the smiles and the nice to see you again, there’s some, believers here who are going through valleys.
    And it’s been a great weekend. I hope it has been for you. I hope you’ve been encouraged.
    I hope you’ve been blessed by being here and listening to teaching and being with each other.
    But come Monday, wherever you go back to, you might just go back right into a trial.
    A trial that you’ve been waiting and praying that God would take you out of, but he hasn’t.

    [22:16] Yet. You know a great perspective to see trials? Eternity. Says the Apostle Paul this in 2nd Corinthians chapter 4, therefore we do not lose heart. Though, our outer man is decaying, the trial of persecution, yet our inner person is being renewed day by day. For our momentary light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, while we look not at the things which are seen, but the things which are unseen.

    For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are unseen are eternal.”, In other words, the apostle says this, I look at the eternal perspective on trials.
    I understand that God is going to use this to weave it in my life to accomplish that great good, when all things work together for good, when I will be made conformed to His precious Son.
    I view trials from that lens.

    [23:20] And you can see how the hymn writers could say that they’re sweet, the trials that the Lord sends.

    Count it all joy when you face many trials, trials from the lens of eternity. What about labor?
    I wonder if there’s a believer here today. I wonder if there’s a Sunday school teacher, somebody involved in children’s work. I wonder if there’s an overseer, somebody who’s sharing the gospel, somebody who’s trying to get involved in the local assembly, And you find your labor just met with a wall of discouragement, disillusionment.

    [23:53] And you never thought you’d get a little bit more pat on the backs. You thought you’d have a little bit more encouragement for what you’re doing. But no, you haven’t had that. And maybe you’re thinking of just of just letting it all go. None of the results are happening. More people are leaving. Nobody’s being saved. Those who are saved are not being taught. They’re going other places.

    And you get discouraged. You probably will get discouraged if you’re really involved in the work of God. Get discouraged. And that’s what we read in 1st Corinthians 15. The Apostle Paul is telling those believers that, do you want to know why your labor is not in vain in the Lord? Eternity! That’s why. He says, therefore, therefore, your labor is not in vain in the Lord. In regards to what? In regards to the fact that there is a real resurrection. In regards to the fact that there is an eternal destiny and there is coming a day where, the risen Christ with wounds in his hands and feet will reward you and, remember you for every prayer, every visit, every tract, every little sermon, that never really reached anyone, but you prepared it sincerely to please God. It It will count in eternity!

    [25:12] And so we live for eternity, brothers and sisters. That’s what we live for, not for here and now.

    I’m reminded of a story. You’ve probably heard this one. About time for a story.
    Getting kind of heavy. A story of a preacher named Henry Morrison.
    I don’t know too much about him, except that he was a preacher in Africa.

    [25:35] It says, I’ll just read it to you here. It says that he was a faithful missionary who the Lord over in Africa for 40 years. He recalled an emotional day when he and his wife boarded a ship on their way home to the United States. His mind was flooded with memories of the wonderful experiences they had enjoyed on the mission field, and he began wondering what it would be like to return to his Midwest hometown, and will anyone be there to remember us and speak with us.

    Aboard the same ship that day, with Henry and his wife, was the former president of these United States, Teddy Roosevelt.
    He was returning from a big-game hunting trip to Africa. And when the ship pulled into the New York harbor, thousands of people were gathered to meet the president, of course.
    The crowds cheered. The bands played. There were signs and banners and billboards everywhere.
    Home. Mr. Morrison and his wife left the ship and they saw that not one person had come to welcome them home.

    [26:46] With a heavy and discouraged heart, Henry Morrison went to the hotel room that day, and he told his wife this, Honey, for forty years we have poured our lives into this ministry and service.

    We have come back to America, and not a single soul has come to welcome us home.
    His wife came, sat down next to him, put her hand on his hand, and said, Henry, you’re not home yet.

    [27:25] Eternity. It’s going to count in eternity.

    Live for eternity. Lord, stamp eternity on my eyeballs. Impress it.
    And it brings me now to this topic that I’ve been trying to take up this weekend.
    Weekend. Godliness. Godliness will count in eternity. Those who are godly will have a capacity, to enjoy the Lord in a different way than those who are not. It will count in eternity, brothers and sisters. Reminded of the story of William Kelly. Now, for those of you who are young 18, 19, 20, mid-20s, this man, William Kelly, what I’m about to tell you is when he was just a young college student. And after he was an exceptional student, brilliant, and those who have read his writings will understand that he was brilliant. But the principal warmly congratulated William Kelly, I’m just getting this from his biography, upon his scholastic brilliance.
    The principal offered Kelly a post upon the college staff, hinting that if Kelly were to accept, said the principal, you would make your fortune in the world.
    To which Kelly replied two words, Which world?

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  • Ministry (I Jackson)

    Christ looked to the things.

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    [0:00] Now, I want to read two well-known verses and to indicate this afternoon that the one is the answer to the other.

    So we’re reading in Philippians chapter 2, firstly.
    The epistles of the Philippians and in chapter 2. And reading at verse number 4, look not every man on his own things, but every man also, on the things of others.
    This mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation.” Now the gospel by John please, and chapter 17. John’s gospel chapter 17, and reading at verse number 5.

    [0:59] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Now the Lord has blessed us the reading of, his Word. I want to make a general point before I come into the particulars of Philippians 2 first of all, which is this, that whatever the difficulty amongst believers, whatever the problem is in assembly life, and they do arise from time to time, the answer is always found in the person of Christ.

    [1:46] And that what you find in New Testament epistles is that the greatest Christology, the greatest teaching about the person and the work of Christ is found in the most practical, of passages. This indicates to us that Christian doctrine, theology if you like, Christian doctrine.

    [2:09] Is not some high-blown, far-off, distant thing that we’ll only grasp if we’re that way inclined, so much as we are discovering that the greatest, highest, most glorious truth about the person of Christ will speak to us in our circumstances, whatever they be, and in particular where there difficulties in assembly life. In Philippi there were difficulties, they weren’t as great as they were in Corinth, for instance, or in the Galatian churches, but in Philippi there were two sisters, you may remember, and I don’t know what the problem was. I’ve been in many discussions where people were saying, I wonder what the problem was? Of course, the fact is that the Bible doesn’t reveal what the problem was between Euodia and Syntyche, and I suppose that if it was important to know we’d be told, but the point of the matter is this, that there was difficulty between them who had previously worked well together. And the great possibility was that there would be people lining up in cliques or in party spirit behind the one and the other. So Paul’s writing from prison in Rome and as he’s writing to them, these believers whom he’s been amongst and who he dearly loves, he wants to encourage them not to be like that.

    [3:39] It’s a poor thing when as believers we’re like that, if that’s the case.

    So what he’s going to do is write to them and he’s going to say, look I want to show you the perfect example in all of this and what I want to lay before you is the person of Christ, and in particular here in chapter 2 he wants to lay before them the mind of Christ, so look what he says will you in verse number five, let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, which by the way is very often where the reading starts when it’s read, But in actual fact you really need to begin earlier on, even earlier than where we began, and when you see that he speaks about this mind being in you, it is the mind that he’s referred to in verse 4.

    [4:31] So the mind that he’s encouraging his people to have is not to look on our own things, not to look to our own advantage, not to look to my own furtherance.

    [4:45] Nor to look to the furtherance simply of those who are in my little clique, God forbid that there should be such a thing, but in my little clique or my little party.

    What he’s saying is this, that we’re not to look on my own personal, selfish, self-indulgent, whims, fancies, ambitions, advantages, but he says to these Christians, you are to look also, on the things of others. And this is exactly that that he refers to when in the next verse he says, let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.” And what he’s going to do is explain.

    [5:27] How it was that this was Christ’s mind to look not on his own things but actually and also to look, on the things of others. By the way, you ought to be interested because we are the others, isn’t that something? We are the others. He’s going to tell us that he did not look to his own things, but he looked on things for our advantage, for our benefit, for our blessing.

    And here we are this afternoon in the good and in the enjoyment of the fact that Christ looked not to his own things, but also to the things of others, we are the others. So the question arises as to how this actually happened, what is it that Paul is thinking about when he says, let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.

    [6:25] Now, I want to ask you to really try to concentrate on this because the next bit is fairly tightly argued.

    So if you miss any of the links of the things I’m about to say, you might go away wondering what the meeting was all about. So I want you to follow this through with me, and to consider the first phrase of verse 6.

    [6:45] And what he’s saying in that verse at the beginning, in speaking about Christ Jesus, he says of him who being in the form of God. And there are two great matters, two great words that we need to consider in that expression. The first of them is the word being. Aren’t Bible readings wonderful places, by the way, where lots of words come up that our brethren use and none of us have a clue what the word means, in normal circumstances, but they are seemingly Bible-reading reserved words, and a brother says something, and everybody says Amen, and if you say to them at the end of the meeting, what did that word mean? They’re likely to say, not sure. Did it add clarity? Hmm. Was it in the aorist? That’s a cracker. Which aorist?

    Well, well anyway, that’s another matter. But anyway, so people in a Bible reading, If we’re just a Bible reading on this passage, some brother would say, brother, the word being is really the word subsisting.

    [7:57] Thank you very much, brother. That was really helpful.

    [8:03] Whether or not it’s true, well, it is true, really. But this is the word I want us to think about first, being.

    Who’s subsisting in the form of God.
    And the idea in the Word is really important to grasp, because embedded within it is the whole idea of the eternity of being of God’s Son, who being in the form of God.
    So Paul’s saying, look back the way, look back to before time began, look back to the eternal past, and remember this, that Christ has eternal antecedents. E-N-C-E at the end. Eternal antecedents. The idea in that is this, he had no beginning. He always was. It’s expressing the same thing as John expresses at the beginning of his gospel. In the beginning was the Word. The force of the tenses being this, that there never was a time when the Word began to be.

    [9:09] So what Paul is marking, as he’s going to speak on the matter of humility and thinking on the things of others, is this simple yet really profound point, that our Savior knew no beginning of existence.

    This is really important, I know it’s pedestrian in one way, and yet profound from another point of view, that our Saviour is eternal.
    And of course, in that He’s eternal, He’s going to remind us in a moment, I don’t want to jump in before we get there, but He’s going to remind us in a moment that He is God.

    [9:48] And not only does being, subsisting, also point back the way, but what it’s saying is that this actually was true of Him in time.

    It was true of Him when He was here.
    So let me put it to you like this, the Bible is teaching that when Christ was in the womb of his mother, he was subsisting in the form of God.

    [10:13] When our Savior was walking up the main street in Nazareth, or in the carpenter’s shop, or standing in Jordan, or whether it was that he was prostrate in Gethsemane, or bearing our sins in his own body on the tree, our Savior was subsisting in the form of God, who being in the form of God, it looks to the past, it speaks of him in time. It’s true of him now. We realize this, that, Colossians, in Paul in Colossians 2, he’s going to speak of the fact that in him dwelleth, all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. He’s really saying that’s true now.

    Not that it wasn’t true when he was here, but he’s speaking about Christ in glory, and what he’s saying is this, in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
    So what the Apostle is speaking about here is this, that our Savior subsisted in the form of God, unchangingly, immutably, in the past, in the present, in the future, now, in the future, from eternity to eternity, in every circumstance, wherever he’s found, the, fact of the matter is this, he subsisted, who being in the form of God. That’s word number one. Then word number two that I want to call your attention to is this, who being in the form of God.

    [11:40] Now, the idea in that is not just mere appearance. That won’t really fit, for a variety of reasons.

    In the form of God is not, he was rather like God.
    But the idea in form, and the word that’s used here, who being in the form of God, is one of essence.
    It is an expression of nature.
    It is an expression of that which is intrinsically true.
    So now add that to what we’ve just been thinking.
    What the passage is saying, what this phrase is saying, is that your Saviour and mine was eternally God.
    Go back to eternity past, He’s divine. Possessed of divinity, possessed of the divine nature.
    Was his, in the past, in the present, by the way. That means that being in the form of God, was true in time as much as it was in eternity.

    [12:50] Can I just ask you all, on matters like this, on matters like sovereignty and responsibility, that those sorts of areas where there is an interface between time and eternity, Let’s not try to reduce that to human logic. Let us not rationalize our way through that. There are things in the Bible you will not understand by, endeavoring to comprehend them in your mind. There is a principle in the Bible, that it is that by faith we understand. Now that’s a really important thing. Do, know, every conjecture that was made about Christ was wrong. They supposed him to be the son of Joseph, wrong. They supposed him to be in the company, wrong.

    She supposed him to be the gardener, wrong. They supposed that he was a spirit coming to them on the waters, wrong. Every conjecture about Christ was wrong. On this we need to be careful. You may remember John, you won’t remember John Newton, but You may remember what he wrote.

    [14:00] Apart from amazing grace, he wrote, what think ye of Christ is the test. To try both your state and your scheme, you cannot be right in the rest if you fail to think rightly of him. Listen very carefully.

    Our Saviour became man, but in becoming man he never ceased to be God.

    [14:23] Not only did he never cease to be God, but deity remained undiminished in him.

    When one who is God became man, deity remained undiminished in him. And further, the fact that there was two whole and perfect natures in one glorious person.

    [14:45] Also means this, that our Savior became really and truly man and the fact that he was God did not elevate in any way his true humanity. So don’t try and explain that, I’m just telling you what the Bible teaches. So here’s one glorious person, from Bethlehem onwards two whole and perfect natures were found in him. Now what Paul’s saying here in Philippians 2 is this, who being in the form of God. Now what about it? When he says look, who being in the form of God and he’s now looking back to an eternity past, he says who being in the form of God, he says he thought it not robbery to be on, listen carefully, to be on equalities, it’s a plural word, to be on equalities with God. So then you say, well what on earth does that mean? Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be on equality

    with God.[15:58] What do we know about that before he came into the world? What we do know, as we’ll find out in John 17, is that he was with the Father.
    And if you go further back, in Isaiah 6, you discover that he was enthroned in glory.
    He’s Isaiah, he saw the Lord high and lifted up. Who was he seeing? He was seeing the Lord Jesus.
    Us. John 12 makes that clear. And before him there were seraphim, you will remember, who, veiled their faces as they flew before him and they cried, holy, holy, holy is the Lord.
    These things said Isaiah when he saw his glory and he spake of him. So what’s that saying?
    Telling us this, that before ever our Savior came into the world, He was in a place and in a position, that was proper, that was appropriate to the outshining of all His glory.
    That’s why the angels veiled their faces.

    [17:06] And you say, yes, we know that. Well, think about it. He was in a place that was proper or appropriate for the outshining of all his glory. I think it’s Bishop Lightfoot, in his commentary on Philippians who says something like this, that there belonged to him all the outward insignia of divine glory and majesty. And you.

    [17:36] Think about that and you say, yes that would be true. Well good, we’re on the same sheet here, it was true. You see, and the fact that our Savior was there with the outshining of Godhead glory, because he’s in the form of God, he’s truly God, because our Savior was there and there was all this outshining of glory, don’t, think for one moment that that wasn’t proper. It was his, it rightly belonged to him. So when Paul says, he thought it not robbery to be equal with God, you do pretty well if you just stick with the text of the King James Version, because, it’s exactly expressing the idea. Let me put it to you like this, suppose at the end of the meeting you were to walk off with your Bible in your hand into the car park and away you go. You know, no one is going to think a thing about it.

    [18:41] But if at the end of the meeting you picked up my Bible by chance, or not, not that I want to, suggest any bad motives with anybody, suppose you picked up my Bible, I wouldn’t worry too much in the sense that this is not my noted Bible, there are one or two notes front and back, as you’ll see in an hour and 20 minutes or something, but suppose that was my noted Bible at home, and you picked it up at the end of the meeting and you walked off with my Bible with any number of notes in it, I would be out in that car park and I would be chasing you and I would be calling after you and I’d be throwing myself on your vehicle because what had happened was this, you had robbed me, you had taken something that didn’t belong to you. If I was carrying that Bible out at the end of the meeting, that you wouldn’t raise an eyebrow, because it’s mine, you wouldn’t think it was robbery that I was taking what was really mine.

    [19:47] So what the apostle is saying here is this, that our Saviour thought it not robbery to to be on equalities with God, because the fact of the matter is this, that rightly belonged to him.

    The outshining of Godhead glory, who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be on equalities with God, and that Godhead glory that belonged to God the Father and the Holy Spirit of God, is a Godhead glory that properly belonged to the Lord Jesus, and he was in a place, that was proper to the outshining of all of that glory. Now just bear that in mind, it was His, and rightly it was exhibited, it shone forth. So now our Saviour could have had this mind, if you allow me to speak as a man, our Saviour could have had this mind where He could look around on all that He had, His own things. He could look at the place where He was sat, He could look at the praise of angels, he could look at the light, he could look at the love of heaven’s glory, he could look at all of that that was his and he could say, I’m going to stay here and really, really enjoy this. It’s all mine.

    [20:57] And it was. But he didn’t say that and he didn’t think that. So the mind that was in Christ Jesus was this, who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be on equality with God, but he made himself of no reputation. I’m really glad now that this isn’t a Bible reading, because somebody would say, what do you think Think about kenosis, brother.

    [21:32] That’s a Greek word by the way, something like that anyway.

    And so somebody would say, well you see what this means is this, that he thought it not robbery to be on equalities of God but he emptied himself.

    [21:52] And then the question would arise, what did he empty himself of? And somebody would say, no it’s what he emptied himself into. Do you know what we’d end up going right round in circles as sometimes happens in meetings and you end up going dizzy and you went out and you thought you understood the passage before the Bible reading but now you’re sure you don’t. Been in Bible readings like that? I have been in Bible readings like that. So now what this is saying is this, just keep it as translated here. What he’s saying is this, he made himself of no reputation and the thought in the passage is this, that our Savior left a place that was proper to the outshining of all his glory and he came into a world that was not such a proper place for the, outshining of that glory. Now I want us to understand, our Lord did not walk up the main street in Nazareth, I was going to say with a halo, that wouldn’t quite be sufficient.

    It was absolutely impossible for our Lord to be here on earth with all the outshining of Godhead glory. Because we learned long ago in the Bible that no man can look on the glory of God and live.

    [23:08] Which leads us to another conundrum.

    Can’t just say, never make a brother an offender for a word. Do you know when you’re on your feet and you’re either preaching or praying, sometimes you say things you think, oh dear. Even as you’ve said it, you can hear all the brethren with an intake of breath. And why on earth did he say that? Well, my wife, she says to me, I’m glad I’m a woman. And maybe there’s a whole lot of you think that, but I say to all the brothers, you need to rise to your responsibilities. You know, meetings need to be audibly sustained. In the course of audibly sustaining meetings, you’re going to drop a clangor or two. What do you think about this? When it is that our brethren say, he veiled his glory. Do you Do you think that’s right or wrong?

    [24:02] Or what about when we sing hymn number, whatever it was, the old number in believers was 1 2 2 and the first verse of 1 2 3, Lamb of God our souls adore thee, thou didst lay thy glory by.

    Do you think that’s true? Well you see, people have objections to all these kinds of statements, in one way or another. I say these are efforts to try to explain something that is almost impossible, to put in words, except Bible words. And the way the Bible puts it is this, that he made himself of no reputation, he exchanged a place proper for the outshining of all his glory, and praise his name.
    He came into this world for all the reasons that Paul’s going to talk about in a little while, he came into this world, not a proper place for the outshining of all his glory. See the humility in that, see the majesty of that humility. This was not someone seeking his own things, this was somebody seeking the things of others, we are the others. Because in actual fact what happened was this, he not only made himself of no reputation, but when he had done that, he took upon him the form of a servant, same word, he really and truly became a servant, you know the rest of the passage because it’s the most read passage ever in morning meetings.
    Why did he do that?

    [25:29] He did that for the benefit of others. Can I just ask all of you, seriously and in the fear of God, what are you doing for the benefit of others?

    The Lord’s people. doing.

    [25:45] What price am I prepared to pay for the advantage of my beloved brothers and sisters, fellow children in the family of God, fellow saints in the assembly, fellow subjects in the kingdom? Look at what our Saviour did, He left that place, He came to this place in order of course that He might become obedient to the extent of death, even the death of the cross, and He went there for others, He went there for us. Praise God in your heart this afternoon, imagine if we were Pentecostals and all the hallelujahs that would arise, at this moment when we consider that in actual fact our Saviour exchanged that for this, and he did it for you and he did it for me. If your heart ever gets over that, you’re in trouble as a Christian. Oh the wonder of his love, see him coming from above to atone and die for thee. Praise him, praise him, cheerfully.

    Oh, the humility of Christ, oh, the meekness of Christ, oh, the mind of Christ. He looked not in his own things, but he looked also on the things of others.

    [27:05] I have seen assemblies riven and divided and destroyed by people looking on their own things.

    If we take something away from this afternoon’s meeting of the conference, may we take away this that we need to think as Christ Jesus thought.
    Never will I forget the first time I heard in London Mr. Jim Allen preaching on this passage.
    He says, this is how this can be loosely rendered. Think as Christ Jesus thought.
    Would that our mind was like his mind, our thinking like his thinking.
    God forgive us for pride.
    God forgive us for boasting. God forgive us for seeking position.
    God forgive us for thinking we’re something.
    These things have no place in the Christian community.

    [28:04] He did not look on his own things, says the Bible, but he looked also on the things, of others. And so our Saviour lived and died and he rose again.

    And he’s on the threshold of glory, which is pretty well where the Lord is in John 17.
    He’s speaking as if death and resurrection had already occurred.
    He’s speaking as if he’s already back in heaven, you understand this? That’s how to understand John 17. It’s as if he’s already the other side of death, one foot as it were, back home in glory. And our Saviour now on the night before he’s going to the cross, he’s speaking to the Father, he says this in verse 1, Glorify thy Son, but he says in verse 5, glorify thou me. He speaks in the third person as the subject son, the one who came to do the will of the Father and did it. Glorify thy Son. Brothers and sisters, Christ is now back in heaven’s glory and, he’s there with acquired glory. I remember preaching on this once and a brother came up to me in Great Dungeon at the end of the meeting and said surely it’s not possible for Christ to have acquired glory, additional glory.

    [29:28] To which the undiplomatic answer is, read your bible, which wasn’t exactly the answer I gave. But remember this, that in 1 Peter the apostle says, in Peter’s epistle, the apostle Peter says this, that God raised him from the dead and gave him glory. Brothers and sisters, there is a man on heaven’s throne today and he has now all the added glory of the finished work of Calvary.

    See him there, glorify thy son, that thy son also may glorify thee. But when it comes to verse 5, it’s not third person, it’s first person. So he’s not now speaking as the subject son, but what he’s speaking as the son co-equal with the father. Now look what he’s saying, he says, And now, O Father, glorify Thou me, here’s the word I want to point to your attention, with Thine own self, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.
    If you have a Newbery Bible, that is good.

    [30:41] If you don’t have a Newbery Bible, as my teachers used to say on my school reports.

    [30:47] Could do better. If you’ve a Newbery Bible and you’re looking in the middle between the Testaments you’ll discover a diagram which is Mr. Newbery’s diagram of Greek prepositions which if you don’t know a word of Greek is really helpful. If you look at that you will find that there are various Greek words that are translated with the one word in our language, with. So it’s like this, we are with each other, in one word, one preposition, the idea is we’re looking at each other. I’m sorry about that, it’s the way I’m born, I can’t help how I look, you’re looking at me, and by the way you can’t help how you look either, I’m looking at you, but the point is we’re with each other in that sense, that’s the sense in John 1, the Word was with God, the Word was regarding God, the Word was face-to-face with God, is sometimes put, is the idea that the Word and God, were eternally in communion, beholding each other, so that we’re with. But then I could say to you, there’s another word and it means not that we’re face-to-face with each other but we’re in the company of each other, that’s another word and And that’s true. Here we are.

    [32:12] Then there’s another word, which is the word in John 17 and 5, which we could only use if in fact somebody, one of you, more of you, all of you, were actually up here alongside me. So there’s our word.

    So John 17 and 5 is this, Now, O Father, glorify Thou me alongside Thine own self.
    Remember what I was saying?
    He’s the divine equal and he’s praying.
    He’s making requests. He says, glorify thou me with thine, along with, alongside, thine own self, with the glory which I had alongside thee.
    Before the world was. Can’t you see if Philippians 2 is the downward steps of our Saviour, that here now our Saviour is speaking about not only His resurrection, His ascension, His exaltation?
    Where is it? Where is He now?
    My dear fellow believers, your Saviour and mine is alongside the Father.
    And alongside the Father, He’s in the very place where He was before He came into the world.
    And can I say to you that this is again a proper place for the outshining of all His glory?
    His personal glory, not now acquired glory, but his personal Godhead glory.

    [33:36] As one who is divine, glorify thou me alongside thine own self.

    Remember what he said to the churches in Revelation?
    That he sat down on his father’s throne.
    There he is. He’s alongside the Father. He says, with the glory, the glory which I had alongside thee before the world was.
    Isn’t that wonderful? That our Saviour became man, came into the world, did the work the Father had given Him to do, accomplished it fully in His life at the cross, rose again, is ascended and it was such a perfect work, done in such a perfect manner that our Savior rightfully is now back alongside the Father and there is again an outshining of all that glory. So we’ve got to think like he did.

    [34:38] In the interest of others, for their advantage and all that.

    But before I sit down and before we leave the chapter, look at that well-known 24th verse of John 17.
    This is Father, I will that they also whom thou has given me be with me where I am, that they may behold my glory which is linked to eternity, which thou has given me for thou lovest me, before the foundation of the world.” Dear brothers and sisters, one day the world is going to see His glory. He’s going to be manifested in glory and we shall be manifested in glory with Him. He refers to that in verse 22 of our chapter, the glory which thou gavest me, I have given them, one day you will not be in Midland Park or wherever you come from any further, any more.

    [35:33] And we who are sitting in the seats this afternoon in this meeting, we are one day going to appear with Christ in glory, how remarkable, and as we were thinking on one of the previous meetings, every eye shall see Him, but that’s not the glory of verse 24. The glory of verse 24 is His non-communicable glory, there is glory that he shares with his people and there is glory that he cannot share with his people this is his glory look at what he says that they may behold my glory it’s uniquely a wonderfully and gloriously his because of who he is ah but more than that if we ask what is that glory which his people alone shall see it is, the glory of the man of Calvary, sitting in a place that is reserved to deity.

    [36:40] Our Saviour bearing mortal wounds. John sees him as a lamb as it had been freshly slain.

    Our Saviour bearing mortal wounds, sitting as man most certainly in a place reserved to deity, a place in which only God can sit. He says, this is my deep desire, Father. This is what I really want, that these, they whom thou has given me, be with me where I am, alongside the Father, that they may behold my glory.” What a day that’s going to be.
    I want to ask you a question and then I’m finished. Is there anything else worth living for? What is all that earth can give to one who shares in God’s own joy?

    [37:41] Dead to the world in thee I live is, in thee is bliss without a loy. Tell me this, who are going to appear with Christ in glory, is there anything else worth living for? Says the apostle in the Colossian letter, not another thing. We who are going to have the great privilege of beholding Christ, his glory? Is it worth living for earthly fame or earthly possessions or, earthly advancement or earthly applause, is it?

    [38:18] Oh, that our hearts might be filled with Christ, taken up adoringly, worshipingly, worshipfully, even with our glorious Lord, and to be careful for nothing but his interests, and to yield to him all that we have and all that we are, because that’s exactly what he did for us, when he did not look on his own things, but he looked also on the things of others.

    I hardly need to tell you, that’s easier said than done. May the Lord bless his word to us, for his name’s sake.

    39 min
  • Ministry (E Nase)

    Ministry after the breaking of bread.

    https://media.jjministry.org/Conf2022_09ENase20220918.m4a

    [0:01] Shall we turn to the scripture please in John chapter 20, just a few simple thoughts.

    John chapter 20, you have disciples together with the risen Lord in the midst of them.
    Verse 19, Joram chapter 20 verse 19 it says, Then the same day at the evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut, where the disciples were assembled for the fear of Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto And when he had so said, he showed them his hands and his side.
    Then were the disciples glad when they saw the Lord.
    Then said Jesus, to them again, Peace be unto you, as my Father hath sent me, even so sent I you.

    [1:09] To understand this passage, we have to keep in consideration the background of the event.

    What was happening? A week ago, before that, maybe, yes, a week ago, the expectations were high.
    The Lord just entered Jerusalem, fulfilling the prophecy, and all the people were there around, exulted, excited and the disciples were they were thinking of the kingdom has come here is our Messiah and actually they were doing the the calculations you know who will be on the right and who will be on the left and the temple was cleansed and here is our King and that was just a few days before that and what happened. Something went wrong. Their master was betrayed by one of them, was arrested, was brought to the to the court, to the Sanhedrin and was crucified.

    [2:24] The people mocked him. The Romans mocked him. The high priest and all the religious leaders mocked him even the crucified together with him, mocked him and that was what they were experiencing their master the messiah dying there on the cross alone and they lost every.

    [2:57] Hope there are two actually on the way to Emmaus and they thought that he was the one and they are hopeless on the road to Emmaus.

    They went back where they were a few years ago. Two of them went to their home, old place, Timaeus.
    And you have Peter and the others, they went back to the old profession.
    We are fishermen, we followed him for three years.
    What do we do best? To fish. We’re going back to fish.

    [3:34] And they were together because of the fear of the Jews and the reason the Lord appears to them.

    And John puts it, and his times and his days stood in their midst.
    And as they were together because of the fear of the Jews, the fear about their future, The fear about themselves, the fear about maybe their children, their health and their lives.
    We many times feel like them.
    Fears, fears many times takes away our peace. many times, takes away our, not only takes away our best, but a big burden comes on all, of us and we are stuck.
    We do.

    [4:35] And here Jesus come and He stood in the midst. The first thing that He did, He wished them peace. He gave them peace.

    And He said unto them, peace be unto you.

    [4:54] And as the Lord was saying that beautiful word of Shalom is not just peace.

    It’s not just lack of war. Peace was more, shalom is more than that.
    As a sort of harmony, of well-being, as a sort of tranquility, of being fulfilled. Peace be unto you.
    The risen Lord, the risen Christ came to them and He gave them His peace.
    Actually, He has told them, the peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you.
    It’s not the same peace of the world, but I give My peace. Many times our hearts are troubled.
    Many times we are not only in fear, but we don’t have that peace.
    I’m not talking of peace with God, but I’m talking of peace of God in our hearts.

    [5:55] You see, Paul will write to the Philippians and he’ll say, do not be anxious of anything, but in everything, prayer or supplication, have to be going up to God with thanksgiving.

    And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard, will protect your hearts.
    And we read that passage and we say, how is it possible?

    [6:24] And when Paul is writing that, he is encouraging them to go into the God’s presence, to look for His presence, and to get there, to receive not the circumstances being changed, but our heart being changed.

    He is speaking of a peace that passes all understanding, actually that passes every logic.
    There is trouble around us, but there is peace within me because the Lord is in our midst and He is with me. Remember Jeremiah?
    Jeremiah was, he was crying, he was weeping on the glory of Jerusalem, on the glory of temple.
    And he said, it’s hard for me to understand.
    And as he was praying, it dawned on him.
    And he says it is of all Lord’s mercies that we are not consumed.

    [7:32] His compassions fail not, they are new, they are renewed every morning.

    And as Jeremiah finishes his prayer and he’d open his eyes, do you think that he saw Jerusalem built up again and temple there?
    No, absolutely.
    There are still ashes, there are still ruins, but there is peace that passes all understanding, every logic in his heart.
    As peace of God. And not only peace, joy. And when they saw the Lord, they were glad.
    He showed unto them his hands and his side. And were a disciple glad when they saw the Lord. What did what did they see, that make them full of joy. What they saw was.

    [8:30] Scars. What they saw was just something in his hands and something in his side. The risen Lord were in midst of them. He was in midst of them. And he saw his scars and in his hands, the fact of the death of the Lord is undeniable historical evidence, and he was dying there outside Jerusalem 2,000 years ago and whatever we can do today we cannot change that fact, we cannot change those scars, and the scars coming again this morning, as a sign of His love for us.

    [9:22] There’s nothing else, more than that, that He can show us. Actually, somebody says, there is the only thing that has been made by man in heaven, are the scars in the hand of Jesus.

    Isn’t that beautiful?
    And when Thomas came after next week, and he died in the presence of the Lord, what the Lord does again?
    Does He come with a new evidence?
    No! The same one! The same one! Scars!
    Actually, when the heavens and the earth will pass away, this universe that we are within, they are the scars that will stay forever.
    And therefore, our disciples were glad. What they saw, they saw nothing else, a sign of the love that he had for them.

    [10:24] And as they were glad, they saw him and they were filled with joy.

    Actually, the Lord have told them that you’ll have sorrows for a wee while, but then I’ll come to see you again and you’ll be filled with the joy that and your hearts will be joy and no one will take your joy from you.
    And that is the joy, staying in the Lord’s presence.
    The presence of the Lord bring joy. You’re in your presence, there is fullness of joy, the Psalmist says.
    But as we’re talking of this joy, we have to be aware that the joy again, like the peace doesn’t depend on our circumstances, what’s around us, But depends on who we are.

    [11:17] Disciples came out of a month of outreach in a foreign country and they were full of joy.

    And they say, Lord, we have done great things and we did this and we did this.
    And remember, John, remember when that happened there? And oh yes, yes, and that miracle.
    Lord says, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on.
    The joy doesn’t depend on what you do. Depends on who you are.
    Rejoice. because your names are written in heaven and they saw the scars and they were full of joy the joy belonging to the Lord and not only the joy belong to the Lord but the joy of praising him obviously they’re full of worship and and adoration and and praises for the one who was risen I for them and you’re, showing them the signs of of his suffering, the signs of his love, the joy of belonging to him, the joy of praising him and then the joy of serving him. The joy of serving him. He’ll say, the Lord says as the father have sent me I send to you the joy of serving him.

    [12:36] Actually, there is a great joy that all who are parents know is the joy of bringing your, child home from hospital.

    You bring a new life. That’s a great joy.

    [12:56] And actually, as a young man, I never experienced it before, but it’s a great joy.

    And that is the joy of bringing someone to the Lord.
    The joy of seeing someone rescued and seeing someone saved and seeing the grace transforming.
    A psalmist will speak of the reaper who goes full of tears and comes with the joy.
    The Lord will talk of the same thing.
    And he said as the father have sent me even so i sent you, they’re back to their families they’re back to their work without the risen christ, is the work our main purpose in life is our family our main purpose in life, as the Father has sent me, even so I send you.

    [14:08] The Lord has given us, has given them, and he has given us a purpose to live.

    As the Father has sent me.
    Actually, the disciples need to hear that constantly. We had four, actually five times the Great Commission.
    You have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and you have in Acts, the Lord constantly was repeating them.
    You have to go, your duty is to make disciples, to preach the gospel.
    I have a great people in this city.
    He commands it and became their duty.
    The passion of the early church came from the passion of the Lord Jesus.
    The same passion as Him, the same purpose as Him.
    As the Father has sent Me. Who was Him? Who was the Lord Jesus?
    He was the image of God among ourselves. He was the image of God on the earth.
    And that image, that character changed the life of disciples because Once they got saved, if you can say that, they were, the Holy Spirit changed them to be according to that image.
    As the Father hath sent me, even so I send you not.

    [15:31] The Lord was saying to them that as the Father hath sent me, I start to build my image in you, so you might start to build, to call others that I can build the same image in them.

    [15:48] It says Thomas was not with them when Jesus came. He missed the peace, he missed the joy, We miss the purpose, but let’s come together this morning as we remember the risen Christ, to get from him peace, to get from him joy that comes from those hands that are scarred, and still are, and that purpose that come from the Great Commission as the Father have sent me.

    Even so, I sent you.

    17 min
  • Gospel (J Baker)

    Gospel from Joseph Baker.

    https://media.jjministry.org/Conf2022_08Gospel20220917.m4a

    [0:01] Revelation chapter 1, and we will break in here at verse number 5.

    The Apostle John is speaking as he addresses these Christians, and he says this, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and, washed us from our sins in his own blood and has made us kings and priests unto God and his Father. To him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

    [0:47] Just a phrase in verse 5 that I’m thinking about for the next 20 minutes or so, unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his blood.”.

    [1:05] This is a very special song, really.

    It is a song that every single person who is going to be in heaven will be able to sing.
    And we’ll sing.
    You see, we’re all looking forward, at least most of us here, and I hope you will stick around and stay for a hymn sing. Maybe that’s in your mind right now. I wonder how the hymn sing is going to go. And I’m sure it will go well, especially for those of us who are believers, who will unite to praise the Lord Jesus Christ and praise God. But here is a hymn sing that is going to take place in heaven, and it’s one song. And every single person who is going to be in heaven will be able to sing this song honestly. You see, it is very possible and likely, even my own life to be able to sing songs but not to sing them genuinely. To just mouth the words, but really if you took a look at the lyrics you’d have to say, I can’t say that. I can’t sing that.
    You know, every single person who will be in heaven will be able to sing this song genuinely and honestly. These lyrics, it doesn’t matter how old they are, it doesn’t matter their race or their gender or how wealthy or unwealthy they are, everyone will be able to sing this unto Him that loved us and washed us from our sins in His blood, unto Him.

    [2:26] It is the distinct song of heaven. I want to ask you just here at the beginning of my remarks tonight, can you sing this song?

    [2:40] Are you going to heaven?

    Have you thought today that if this life came to a close, and if you were to open your eyes in eternity, would you be able, would you know, would you be a hundred percent sure, that I would be in heaven? Because I can, honestly, from my heart, sing these words.
    I can talk about another who has washed me from my sins by his blood. Can you sing that song?
    Very serious to think about. I want to tell you, first of all, you can know. You can know tonight if you’re ready to be in heaven.
    The Apostle Paul said, he said, to die is gain.
    He doesn’t say, I hope it’ll be gain if I would die. He said, for me to live as Christ and to die, if I were to die, I know it is gain.
    He said, if I were to die, I would be absent from the body at home with the Lord.
    It is possible to know, and I would like to begin by asking, do you know?
    Do you know that you would be in heaven? Do you know that your sins have been washed away?
    And I would like to look at these lyrics tonight.
    I would like to look at these lyrics to this great song in the gospel.
    First of all, I want you to notice the direction of the song.

    [4:05] Unto Him. Listen, there are a lot of good, nice people here. Listen, the only people who will be in heaven are people who will be pointing to Him. If tonight, if tonight you point to anything in yourself, if you point to your good works, if you point to your church attendance, if you point to any ritual you went through, even if you were to point to your own faith, or your own believing, or your own repentance. No, friend, everyone who will be in heaven will say this, I am not in heaven because of some great amount of faith I exercised on such and such a date.

    It will be because of Him. Unto Him! Unto Him! That’s the direction of the song. And that’s what so many people miss. They miss this and their pursuit for forgiveness and peace. They look at themselves and they look at themselves and they don’t find any peace. And then they’ll tell you, I don’t know. I wouldn’t say I’m going to be in hell, but I just don’t know.

    [5:13] And then they would tell you, you can’t know either. Listen, if I were to look at myself, I couldn’t know either. If I were to look at my experience that took place March the 22nd, 2003, I would have many questions. If I were to look at my repentance, I would have many questions.

    You know how I know? My faith has found a resting place, not in device or creed.
    I trust the ever-living one. His wounds for me shall plead. In other words, unto Him. Unto Him, that’s the direction of this song. And so, if you’re going to be in heaven, you will be able to point completely, solely to Him, the Lord Jesus Christ.
    That was the direction of the song. Here’s the devotion in this song, unto Him that loved us.

    [6:07] You see, everyone who will be in heaven, they won’t be there because they loved God, and they just loved Him enough, and they maybe even gave their heart to Him out of how much they loved Him. No, everyone who will be there will all unite. Now just think of it.

    Think of it. A congregation far bigger than what’s here tonight. It’s pretty big.
    It says, out of every tongue and tribe and people and nation surrounding one person, unto him that loved us. Every person will point to his love for us. And I want to tell you, even as our first hymn said, if it weren’t for the love of God, there wouldn’t be a gospel message. There’s no gospel without the love of God. If God had just seen us in our sin and all our ruin, and if he had not loved us, there There would be no hope for any of us.
    Even the most religious or the most good person in this auditorium, there’d be no hope for you.
    But praise God. That’s what this hymn is. It’s a praise to God, unto Him who loved us.
    That brings me even great comfort as a believer.
    You know, He loved me at my very worst.

    [7:29] He loved me in my sin. He loved me when I was just completely helpless.

    And so as Christian life comes and goes and there’s fumbles and stumbles unto Him who loved us.
    Unto Him. So the direction of the song is to Him, the devotion of the song, it’s His love.

    [7:55] His love. His love that did what? What did His love do?

    It says here, here’s the description, it says, unto him that loved us.

    [8:04] And washed us from our sins in His blood.” The description in this verse is very interesting.

    It describes sin. I don’t know how you might think of sin. There are people who say that sin are the mistakes that some of us make.
    Sin is, you know, cheating and lying and didn’t mean to do it and if I could take it back I wouldn’t have done it. Sure, we all make mistakes.
    But in this verse, this group of people are describing sin in a way that God would look at sin. It’s described as a filthy thing, something that’s dirty, that needs to be washed.
    You know, in the first three chapters of Romans, we have a very interesting view of what sin is.

    [8:51] There are a group of people, the Gentile people, that would be you and I today, but back then there were people who had no real relationship with God, and yet whatever light they had, They just ignored it, they suppressed it, and in rebellion, they continued doing the things that they wanted to do.

    And then there’s the Jewish people, and they do the same thing.
    Against the light that they have, they rebel against God.
    In other words, the Apostle Paul in Romans is describing sin not as the few mistakes of us make, but as open, willful rebellion against God. That there is a standard.
    There is a expectation that God had for us, a way we were intended to live.

    [9:36] But we have shaken our fist against God. We’ve gone against our conscience.

    [9:42] How many people are weighed down by the sins of a conscience, and they take something, and they take it, and no one knows that they took it, and they think they got rid of it, and they got it for free, and then years later, they didn’t get it for free. A guilty conscience weighs on them. Years later, and we sin against conscience, and we sin against God’s law.

    And here in this verse it’s described as like a filthy thing, a dirty thing.

    [10:12] And everyone who is saved, everyone who will be in heaven, not all of us come to great theological understandings when it comes to the depravity of man.

    But all of us understand this.
    Sin is an offense against God.
    Sin is dirty in His sight. That’s why when a person is saved, the Bible says that they turn.
    They turn, repent, they turn from sin to God.
    They turn because it’s dirty, it’s filthy.
    And that’s how it’s described in this verse. It’s described as a dirty thing.
    Unto him who loved us and washed us from our sin.
    I want to tell you just bare, basic facts today.
    There will not be one sin in heaven.

    [11:07] I’m thankful for that, because all it took was one sin on earth to make earth the way it is today.

    And earth is a very ruined place. And God is going to protect heaven.
    He is committed to the purity of heaven, and there will not be one sin in it.
    Listen to what the Bible says, also in the book of Revelation.
    Neither shall enter into it anything that defiles neither whatsoever worketh an abomination or maketh a lie in other words God has said no sin it’s never going to make heaven dirty it’s never going to make heaven corrupt heaven is going to be pure beautiful you know what the big problem is all of us in this room all of us without exception have sinned against God and more than that, Yeah, as we even heard earlier today, it’s not just the things that we’ve done.
    It’s who we are.
    Do you know how God describes your heart and mine?

    [12:09] God says that the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.

    Filthy in the sight of God. Filthy. It’s not how He intended human beings to be.
    It’s not how He created them to be. But we’ve all turned our own way.

    [12:32] And this is how the description of sin. Strange thing that people are singing about that.

    But they’re not singing about how filthy they were, and they’re not singing about how depraved they were.
    They’re singing that no matter who they were, He washed us.
    He washed us! Oh, it’s a great thing, my friend. Listen, it’s a great thing to preach the gospel.
    And I want to tell you this.
    Just in case there’s somebody here, and you’re holding on to some kind of a shell of a profession.
    Maybe some story you have, or something, some profession you made, and mom and dad were happy and elders were happy and the assembly was happy and you know right well tonight you have not come in the good of being washed I want to encourage you tonight it’s a real thing it’s a real thing to know and the sight of God I’m clean because of the blood of Christ don’t hold on to a shell don’t hold on to anything that’s just false security there is real security real security and the blood of Christ and that brings me to this to this next point. The direction of the hymn, unto Him. The devotion, He loved us. The description of our sin, it’s filthy. Something that needed to be washed away or God could never allow someone like me in His presence. But here’s the great news, the gospel, the news of deliverance.
    Him that loved us and washed us from our sin. How?

    [14:01] His blood. This is the great deliverance, the great deliverance in the gospel. Let, me ask you something tonight. I don’t know very much about washing. I don’t know how soap works to take out stains. From what I understand from those who do know something about the subject, soap has to work almost like a key and the stain in your shirt or in your clothes is like a lock. That’s what keeps it on your clothes and they come up with this composition in soap or in detergent or whatever and it, works as a key that unlocks the stain and then it breaks free when water washes it away.

    Soap is like a key and a lock mechanism.
    That’s how they say it works. So what we need then if we understand sin as filth that’s not only on the outside, not, only on the things I’ve done that people know about, but on the inside, on my secrets, on mind, on my heart. What we need is something that is able to meet the claim of sin. Something that is able to to break sin’s power. And I’ve asked this often in gospel preaching, but I would ask you tonight, do you know of anything thing that is stronger than sin?

    [15:22] Do you know any church that’s stronger than sin?

    [15:27] Any ritual that’s stronger than sin? Any preacher that’s stronger than sin?

    No. No, all of them have fallen victim to the power of sin.
    Sin, when it’s finished and when it’s run its course, has brought forth death.
    But thank God, thank God that there is something stronger than sin.
    Oh, the blood of Jesus. The precious blood of Jesus.
    Oh, the blood of Jesus. Listen, it cleanses from all sin.
    It cleanses from all sin. Why? Because the Lord Jesus came into this world as a perfect man.
    And He lived a life without one fault. No sinful thoughts or deeds, or even a sinful motive.
    There was no sin within him.
    Perfect. Impeccable.
    And as he lived on this world, in that perfect life, people hated him.
    They were envious of him.
    And there came a day where they all came together and set a way with him.
    And they put him out on a cross.
    We also learn in the Bible that he wasn’t just there because of a victim of circumstances.
    He was there by his own will.
    He said, I have the power to lay down my life. I have the power to take it again.
    And the Apostle Peter says he was there by the determinate counsel of God.
    God wanted him there.
    Why?

    [16:54] To meet the claims of sin. You see, if you were to understand tonight, just to be very simple, if you were to understand evening that sin is your problem. It’s not so much that hell’s the problem.

    Not so much that the Lord’s coming is the problem. It’s no problem for me. Sin is the problem.
    If you were to understand… Not so much that you can’t believe. That’s not the problem. Not a problem in the Bible. The problem is my sin. It is filthy against God and His law has said it can never enter into His presence. If you were to understand that and you were to look for is there any answer for sin? You know what the Bible would tell you? Over and over and over there’s an answer for sin. Listen to it. It’s clear over and over in the Bible. Christ also once suffered for sin.
    Christ died for the ungodly. Christ died for our sins. The just for the unjust that we, can be brought to God. You see the Bible is telling us over and over not much about the crucifixion, not much about how painful it was, not much about how shameful it was, but it’s telling us the purpose of it. God is saying over and over, that center cross was for sin, for sin, and if there was someone in this meeting tonight who would understand this, I have sinned.

    [18:21] God would say this, that’s why I sent my son, that’s why he shed his blood, and unto him that loved us and washed us from our sin in his blood. You see, when he died under sin’s penalty, that is the penalty for sin, the wages of sin, is, death. The Bible, the law of God says the soul that sins must die. Now remember, if If you’ve followed my little analogy, a stain is locked to a shirt or a piece of clothing, right?

    What is locking? What is binding?
    What is the claim that is keeping sin on me? It’s the claim of death.
    The soul that sins, that’s me, must die.

    [19:17] You see, when the Lord Jesus went to that cross, sinless, and when He died, and He shed His blood, He did it as a substitute, and He did it toward God, as also we heard about today, to satisfy God.

    For what? To satisfy God for the claim of sin.
    You see, when He suffered on that cross, the Bible says it like this, it’s so simple.
    It says this, all we like sheep had gone astray, each of us have turned our own way, but the, Lord laid on Him the sin of us all.

    [20:02] His soul was made an offering for sin. And what a person understands when they’re saved, what I understood was this, I didn’t know very much, I thought I did, I had heard the gospel and I thought I was Sunday school, pupil, you know, chief of the class, but you know, when I was saved, what I understood was this, because he died, I’ll never have to die in hell.

    Why?
    Because the payment God required for my sin, it wasn’t that I did something, it wasn’t that I felt something. It was that I understood that that payment that God required for me, He took. He endured. He suffered under the penalty for my sin. He was my substitute. He died for me. He shed His blood. Remember what the Bible says, book of Hebrews, without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. But, the Lord Jesus saw us in all our need. All of us would have only offered guilty sinful blood and he came and he offered his sinless blood that’s what’s being offered here to you tonight in this gospel meeting please understand what’s, being offered is not an experience.

    [21:20] We’re not even offering a verse it’s Christ and it’s the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses from sin.

    I am not going to be in heaven because I will say, look at this verse.
    I will be in heaven because of the blood of Jesus Christ.
    I will be in heaven because of a man, and every single person who will be there will sing what?
    Unto Him. Unto Him who has loved us and washed us from sin, unto Him be the glory forever. Amen.
    Sing to him. I stop and ask you again tonight. Can you sing this song?

    [22:09] Do you know what it is to have your sins washed away? To see them gone? Not because of anything you’ve done. Remember, it’s not unto me who worked, unto me who believed, unto me who figured it out.

    No, it’s unto Him. Unto Him who loved me and washed me from my sin. Can you sing it? You could.
    You could be able to sing this song before you leave this meeting if by simple, childlike faith, You are to take the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior.
    The duration of this song, I don’t want you to think like heaven is a never-ending hymn sing, but at the same time, from our hearts, this is one song that will never go away.
    Forever.
    Throughout the never-ending ages, as He continually shows us the exceeding riches of His grace and His kindness toward us in Christ, as we look at Christ unto Him who loved me and washed me from my sin in His blood.
    Christ today, and you’ll be able to sing this song in truth.

    24 min
  • Panel

    Panel discussion.

    https://media.jjministry.org/Conf2022_07Panel20220917.m4a

    [0:00] I’m just going to read a verse from 1st Timothy in chapter 4 where we get the basis for the topic, this afternoon. I’ll make a couple of remarks in opening and then we will just be having more of a conversation, a conversation on this important topic of spiritual disciplines for the purpose, of godliness. But we’ll read from the from the Word of God here in 1st Timothy chapter 4 and beginning at verse 7. But refuse profane and old wives fables and exercise thyself or train thyself, discipline thyself rather unto godliness. For bodily exercise profiteth little, but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come.

    This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.

    [0:55] We were talking this morning about the need for godliness, and I hope we would all share, those of us who are born of the Spirit, a greater desire for personal godliness in our lives, that it is a felt need, even as we were talking this morning, that the Lord would intervene, for godliness seems to be so lacking.

    But now we get to really the sweat of it, the work of it, because what we’re going to find out is that godliness isn’t easy. It’s expected, it’s commanded, but it is not easy. The word here, we’ll take some time to discuss it just at the beginning, the word is a very rigorous word, a word that, like I said, involves training, discipline, effort, and so we’re gonna talk about really some of the spiritual disciplines that are necessary in the pursuit of godliness.
    I have felt this burden, it was kind of one of my ideas really for the conference to take up this this topic. I have felt that among my own generation, and those maybe a bit younger, there is a healthy rejection, maybe even hatred of legalism. There is the eyebrow raising and the, disgust when people stand up on a platform and make rules. But I wonder sometimes if the hatred for legalism is complimented by this rather, don’t fall off the stage now brother, we need you.

    [2:23] By this rather careless or, you know, if godliness happens it’ll happen.

    I’ll just coast and when it happens it’ll happen in spiritual things.
    And God, discipline is a word that the apostle Paul loved, you know, he beat his, he says he disciplined his body, kept it under subjection, but he hated legalism. And so we know that these things maybe can get related in our mind, but they are distinct. We’ll talk maybe a bit more about that tomorrow. But that’s really the burden for this. What are the practical disciplines in your life and mine? This will apply to really all ages, all genders by and large. What are the practical disciplines that we need to incorporate in our daily lives if we want to be godly?
    I read something that at first I was like, wow, that’s a little strong the way he said it, but he said this, there is no access to God outside of Christ.

    [3:22] And there is no godliness without discipline.

    That there’s no other way. We’ll learn that here in this verse.
    Discipline thyself, exercise thyself, train thyself rather onto godliness.
    And so this panel is really for all of us who would like to grow in godliness to incorporate spiritual disciplines. Discipline is in vogue now today. YouTube is filled and people are following morning routines. And there are psychologists and psychoanalysts that have become famous for giving self-help courses on how to get better discipline and structure in somebody’s life. Well, godliness will require discipline, and it will require structure in a person’s life if they’re going to be serious about the things, of God. And so I’ve just organized the discussion in really a few topics. We’re going to look at really godliness personally. Discipline thyself rather unto godliness. And so the personal discussions I broke it down in my own mind when we get to the practical things like my Bible and I.

    [4:22] And the disciplines necessary with the Word of God. My prayers and I, my prayer life and I. And then lastly, my body and I. I’ve chosen those three because those three are all found in the Word of God. When it comes to the subject of spiritual disciplines, we can get kind of, you know, gardening could be a spiritual discipline to somebody. Or mowing the lawn can be a time where people, you know, and we can get really vague. So I’ve tried to limit it to things that we find in the Bible. My Bible and I, my prayer life and I, and my body and I. Three areas in which a godly person will have to be disciplined. But just as we begin, that’s just my brief introduction. Maybe if any of our brethren here, thankful for them, being here and their help, if you can better define or explain what godliness is, or if you’d like to just jump right in in 1st Timothy 4 and explain this word for exercise and what the Apostle has in mind to Timothy.

    So just feel totally free to jump right in on those.

    [5:22] Joe, I thought that the point that you made in the meeting this morning about godliness not being godlikeness, but a disposition, an attitude towards God. I think disposition is my word, but you were using similar descriptions. It’s a really important thing. And so, just to recap for anyone who wasn’t there, one of the big points that you were making was, that ungodliness is forgetting God, it’s leaving God out of the equation, whereas godliness is bringing God into the equation.

    And so godliness should really be the, should be a characteristic of all of us as the Lord’s people in every department of our lives.
    But that doesn’t come easily, and it most certainly doesn’t come naturally.
    And so you get these kinds of words that you’ve been highlighting for, you know, exercising, for discipline.
    And in addition, in a minute we can go to Titus and think about some things that Paul says to Titus, which you alluded to this morning.

    [6:38] Yeah, it was very good what you said this morning, yes. I don’t want to repeat, Ian.

    To bring God in our lives.
    See, some years ago I didn’t use glasses. Now I’m using them.
    I need to focus and I have to see through my glasses. And I think Godliness can be, in a way, described in that way.
    We bring God in our lives in a way, the way we see the world, the way we see ourselves, the way we see the others through the eyes of God.
    So when we bring God in our lives, everything that we see is through the, let’s say the glasses, divine glasses, and that, in a way, help or better focus us, to be more concentrated and more biblically, and thinking more biblically, in that sense.
    Henry, what do you mean by bringing God into our lives? What do we mean by this? Okay, so…

    [7:51] What do I mean by bringing God in our lives? We mentioned a bit of, you know, a bit of legalism.

    Now, it has to do with our behavior.
    But before we talk about behavior, there is something deeper than our behavior, which is our character.
    You may behave perfectly. You may come to every meeting, and even you may pray.
    But if your character is not changed, that doesn’t have any effect, or it’s not just hypocrisy.
    Your character depends on your values, what values you held.
    You may have a good character, as is your neighbor maybe, but if that character is not, supported by values, again, is empty.
    And the values depend on your worldview.

    [8:49] So in all these four elements, you have to be careful that as we speak to others, or we as teachers and preachers, we have to tackle the worldview.

    Because you may have people change their behavior, but not the worldview.
    And when the storms in life come as the worldview that gives us the direction.
    So that worldview should be a godly, a divine worldview.
    So I invite God into my life.
    And so what is conversion? Now, I don’t want to go further, but what is conversion?
    It’s changing your worldview. I see myself with the eyes of God.
    I’m a sinner. I’m lost.
    I see Christ with the eyes of God. He’s a savior.
    His blood was shed for my sins. And I see God how God sees himself.
    So conversion, turning, as we read this morning, they turn, they change the worldview.
    So godliness means we see everything as God sees it.

    [10:02] As God sees it. What is the difference between a Godly, a Christian, who has God in his life, and a non-Christian, or an atheist, who doesn’t have God?

    So he doesn’t see with the eyes of God, with the divine eyes, what, again, but who God is, who the others are, and who yourself is.
    Yeah, so the scriptures wouldn’t want to give the impression that godliness is taking God and bringing him into our lives as if he’s not involved already. You know, in him we live and move and have our being. And so godliness is just the recognition that God holds sway in my life, that it actually, he actually does hold sovereign sway, and not only in my life, but in the life of every person. The atheist or the person who is an unbeliever just hasn’t bowed to that.
    That. So I wonder if we could have maybe some discussion on the word… Oh, did you have something?
    Well, let me… I’m not sure if this is hair splitting. So if it is, shoot me. So is there a difference between bringing God into our lives or bringing our lives into subjection.

    [11:16] His will, his mind, his purpose. I have a notion there might be a slight difference in that. And so when you’re coming to 1 Timothy 3, not 4 but 3, great is the mystery of godliness.

    So we were looking at the example of Joseph this morning and there are any number in the the Old Testament, there are examples of godliness where people seem to view their life in the, way that we’ve been speaking about just now. They brought God into everything. This is what we were saying about Joseph. But when you come to 1 Timothy 3, great is the mystery of godliness. So there was godliness that was seen in Christ that had never been seen before. It’s the mystery of godliness. So that which is mystery truth has not been revealed, before. So the Lord stands completely distinct, but he’s saying things like, I do always those things that please the Father. My meat is to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work. You know, those kinds of things, which certainly seem to be somewhere higher than even Joseph or any of them at their very best.
    No, very good. I see what you’re saying. Good hair to split.
    So what about the word discipline? Any help on that? Like, what does that word mean?

    [12:39] Maybe I could just tell you what I think before you jump in. It’s the idea of, it’s where we get the word gymnastics from. And I understand, you know, every day in the United States, it’s National something day. Well, today’s National Gymnastics Day, believe it or not.

    I saw that this morning. So we’re right up to date. We’re very relevant this session right here.
    It should be abolished. Yeah, very good.
    So we’re talking about really what this, someone has said that this term has the smell of the gym on it.
    This is a sweat term, right? Gymnasticize yourself for godliness.
    Like put in the work, put in the effort. In other words, Paul’s telling his son of the faith, Timothy, it’s not going to come easy, Timothy.

    [13:23] It’s not going to be by osmosis. You’re not going to sleep beside your Bible and wake up godly.

    This is going to take work.
    To take labor, it’s going to take striving. And now again, not divorced from grace, which you were kind of alluding to there in Titus, and also Paul in 1 Corinthians 15, where he says, I labored more abundant than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God in me. And so it’s not divorced from grace, it’s not disconnected from the gospel, but it’s out of the gospel and out of grace, this vigorous word for training, for discipline. So if you have anything to add on the word itself.
    I’m not sure if it’s the same word, but you’ve got the same idea in Hebrews 12, that no chastening for the present seems to the joyous, but grievous. Nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. It’s that idea of stripping down for the gym, because as you’ve been explaining, you’re putting effort and energy into it.

    [14:20] So here’s a question, maybe you can help us with this, Henry.

    Why worry about discipline for godliness if, as we’ve been discussing, if all of us who are saved are one day going to be conformed to the image of his son?
    That is a fact. That is the purpose of God.
    Why not just coast to the finish line? It’s going to happen.
    Why worry about, if it’s going to be this much work, if it’s going to be sweat and training, why worry about it?

    [14:51] So, that’s a very good question, that challenges me, challenges everybody. Why worry about it?

    We have to realize that when we’ll be on the other side, yes, we’ll be changed, but the transformation will be different.
    What I’m going to say is.

    [15:14] How to put it?

    We bought a plastic tractor for our son when he was only two, I remember, building up for Christmas.
    You see, Christmas night, you know, before Christmas, and then he came, ah, tractor, he loved it, okay?
    So, and then he took the tractor to the farm. My father-in-law is a farmer, and he has a huge tractor, a real one.
    Now, Luke loved his tractor, and he played with his tractor.
    Papa loved his tractor, and worked with his tractor.
    They’re all happy with their tractors, but the tractors were different.
    And I think that when we’ll be on the other side of heaven, everybody will have in a way, his tractor, his enjoyment will be full.
    The cups will be full, but I believe the cups will be different, different sizes.
    So that means, do I want in a way to be thankful to my Lord who did that great sacrifice for me.
    And that means that when we’ll go on the other side, I’ll bring my knowledge of him.

    [16:30] And that means that I’ll know Him as He knows me now. But the enjoyment, I don’t want to say that, you know, don’t get me wrong on that.

    But I think the enjoyment of Christ will depend from how much we know Him today.
    And that I have to practice myself and to train myself into the fellowship And, you know, Bible reading, prayer, and all that, which results in better knowledge of God.
    But is it also to do with this, that, you know, we’re not saved to be made happy.
    We’re not saved just so that we might be in heaven. We’re not saved just so that we won’t be in hell.
    I mean, all of those things are true.

    [17:19] But the first thing is, we’ve been saved for the Lord.

    So this is Israel, long ago. You should be a peculiar people unto me.
    But it comes up in this Titus 2 passage to which we’re making allusion.
    Who gave himself for us that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people.
    Not odd or strange, even though that might be the case at times, but a people for his own possession.
    So this is the big thing about redemption, it’s the big thing about being saved, that we don’t belong to ourselves anymore, we belong to him.
    And therefore what we surely would want to do is to be what he wants us to be, which is now be conformed to his image, to the great degree that we’re able to be conformed to his image, even if when we ultimately are conformed to his image, it would be a whole lot more than what we experience now.
    So I think that in all areas of our Christian life, it’s a really important thing to remember that we are his.
    We’re not our own anymore, and that then would govern everything, including this whole idea of disposition towards God in godliness.

    [18:31] So some people react or reject against the word discipline because they think it’s going to, hamper their freedom. You know, I’m free. I have, and I’m already stretched. I’m a very busy person.

    I have a lot of pans on the fire and now discipline seems to hamper me and make me less free.
    Does discipline do that? These disciplines we’re going to talk about, does it make me, does it hamper my freedom? Or do we maybe have a skewed understanding of what we’re free to do?
    And what freedom actually is? Well, exactly. Well, in spiritual things, true freedom is actually being bound to Christ, isn’t it?
    It’s that whole thing. You know, there’s not a free person in the world.
    You’re either a slave to sin or you’re a servant of God, Romans 6.
    But discipline is Titus 2 again, isn’t it? That the grace of God that bringeth salvation to all men, teaching us.
    It’s the idea of disciplining us. but that is the idea in the word. It’s a disciplining thing. So it disciplines us to deny. So we’re, living in an age where third wave feminism and beyond says, you can be what you want.

    [19:43] You can be what you want. People actually think this, that you can be what you want.

    And that worldly thinking is very pervasive in society and what’s thought about out there soon enough, if we’re not careful, becomes part of our thinking.
    So it’s well worth remembering that actually what the grace of God teaches us to do is to deny.
    So we’re to deny ungodliness, number one, and we’re to deny worldly lust, number two, so that we should live soberly as far as I’m concerned, righteously as far as my relationship with you is concerned, and godly as far as God is concerned in this present world.
    But we’ll maybe come to that.
    May I add, in every aspect of our daily life, we use discipline.

    [20:35] We use discipline to go to school. We use discipline to go to work.

    We use discipline in every aspect of life.
    We have all our watches, we have all our calendars, Google calendars or whatever it is.
    So we are disciplined.
    It’s not that we are required to do something that we have never done before.
    And so what we are required now is, maybe loads of you have a gym subscription.
    See, where you go there every day or whatever it is. So what we are required is to have a divine gem subscription, subscription, which is not an unusual thing that which we have.

    [21:22] Yeah, I know like say an instrument like the piano or the guitar, I am bound because I don’t, know how to use the five strings. But somebody who’s practiced for thousands and thousands of hours and disciplined themselves, they’re free. Now, they weren’t free for all the work they put, in. All the time that they spent practicing was really tied them down for all the things I could do. But what you see when they have those strings in their hand, they’re free and I’m bound. And so, you see, there’s people you meet. And I think one of the things I would just pass on for, and I, And I think you might agree with this as far as godliness or training for godliness.

    When it comes to training for anything, practice or training to be financially responsible or training to parent, most of us needed some kind of a shepherd or mentor or somebody to help us along.
    And I would say when it comes to godliness, if there is, like if you know someone who’s.

    [22:14] Godly, that’s a great person to get their ear and figure out, like get close to that person and figure out how, and I’m sure if they are godly, they’d be more than happy.

    [22:25] To help you along, right? Because we all need help and training on these things.

    Can I just raise what I think is a practical difficulty on this? We all have different dispositions. Some people by nature are unbelievably disciplined, okay? It just seems to come to them without any great effort. They’re always up early, they always go to bed on time, you know what I mean. Now, some of us are not just exactly like that and actually, it’s a struggle. So just like some people look at life and see, you know, two men look through prison bars, one saw mud, one saw stars. Some people are optimistic, some people, are not. Some people are melancholic, some people are a whole lot better than that in, in their outlook or happier. So we’re all born with a set of genes and some people’s genes are a whole lot more likely to produce discipline easier and quicker and more long lasting than in other people. So what steps might we say could we take if we are at that wrong end of the scale on this to sort ourselves out.

    [23:45] Oh, you’re looking at me. Go ahead. Okay.

    Not saying you’re on the wrong end of the scale. No, you think I’m going to speak from experience, well.
    Well, I think there’s a really important thing in this, which is this, that in any spiritual exercise, and in this matter of discipline, in the matter of holy living, it is not a natural thing.
    Very good. So, we are absolutely 100% dependent on the energies of the Holy Spirit within us in all areas of seeking to live a godly life. So, is self-discipline important? The answer to that is yes. Okay? But self-discipline by itself will not produce the desired result. So, I’m thinking of Romans 8 for instance, if ye through the spirit demortify the deeds of the body you shall live.
    So it may be that someone in the meeting, no it is the case that there will be people in the meeting, who are troubled by certain things in their life, that they’re actually having difficulty getting a handle on in terms of self-discipline, things that are not best for them.

    [25:04] Of one kind or another. I think what Paul’s saying in Romans 8 is, it’s not just a question of self-discipline, not just a question of, training the flesh to deal with it, but in actual fact, it’s if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the flesh. You’ll live the kind of life that God wants you to live in terms of the enjoyment of sonship in Romans 8. Or, if you go to Galatians 5, where the works of the flesh are something that any one of us could fall into at any time.

    That’s the point in Galatians 5. So we’re in a world of conflict and there is that conflict within us.
    There’s the flesh and the spirit.
    So what he’s, he’s not saying just walk a self-disciplined life and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh.
    That’s not the approach to it.

    [25:57] It is this, walk in the spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

    So does the spirit produce that self-discipline? Yes, I think he does.
    But I think it’s important to see where the roots of that will be with us.
    It’s not by natural disposition.
    Some are more inclined to self-discipline than others.
    Some sleep in longer, in the mornings.
    Like students. Often. Or what? Millennials. Millennials.
    Or pensioners, maybe. We might all have sort of a…
    So the big thing is to recognize the Spirit of God within us, and for him and for that, for everything to do with that to be coming from inside.
    This is sanctification in another sense from the inside out.
    Very good.
    Yeah, like the Pharisees may have been the most disciplined people around. Yeah, correct.
    So we understand that discipline is not the end, just the means. Correct.
    Yeah, very good. of that must be the Holy Spirit.

    [27:04] So maybe we’ll just move in, just 20 or so minutes left, if I understand the time there.

    Let’s just get into some of the areas of spiritual discipline.
    I was thinking my Bible and I, so under that I have the discipline of reading.
    Maybe you can help somebody who is like that, struggling to find the time, make the time for reading their Bible.
    And then we’ll move through a few things. I have reading, meditating, memorizing, then studying.
    We covered that last year, but just as far as establishing a discipline, I think we’d all agree, without which there is no godliness, without my Bible and I. So, reading, first of all.

    [27:46] may help us.

    Discipline for reading? As Ian said, things don’t happen by themselves, so we have to be energized by the Holy Spirit and then discipline ourselves.
    We still understand that as we go on, the lives are busier and busier, although we get more things that help us.
    You see, iPhones or whatever, electronics or travels. So the lives get busier and busier.
    So that means in my daily routine, in my agenda, I should have time, specific time for Bible reading.

    [28:29] For personal Bible study. That can be, if you are inclined, waking up in the morning, that can be in the morning.

    Personally, I have it in the evening because I can stay up. Are you really safe?
    No, I can have it during the day, but when everybody is in bed, I can have it in the evening.
    I have it in the evening because everything is quiet and I’m quite up.
    So the mornings are busy, kids going to school and all that.
    So I personally, you know, this is not, I’m not talking of Bible study for preparing for the preaching or, you know.
    I’m talking of my personal time.
    I want to say that when I started, I don’t have a time with God, you know, but when you have a program and you read.
    See, I have a program and you read the New Testament twice every year and once the Old Testament.
    And you have passages, you can get that on internet or anywhere.
    And that helps you to go through the reading.

    [29:46] Very good, thank you. And it always seems to me that unless you have a system, for reading your Bible, you’re not gonna read it as much.

    No, very good.
    So I think that’s a great point. And there are various means by which you can read through the Bible.
    Now, some people read through the Bible a whole lot quicker than others.
    I mean, some people read it any number of times a year. I’m thinking what somebody told me once, and I found it hard to believe the number of times you read the Bible in a year, well I say good for him.
    So, but not everybody’s like that. And so, you know, we all read the Bible at our own pace.
    And there’s no point particularly reading it if it’s not profiting us.
    So on a practical level we do that.
    So, but unless we have a system for reading through the Bible, we won’t read through the Bible.
    So whether it’s Robert Murray McShane’s thing or whether you say, I’ve got a thousand pages in my Bible, so I need to read however many pages a day, however you do it, do it.
    However you do it, do it.
    And make sure that you’ve got that discipline in your timetable to make sure you do, because we all eat during the day.
    It doesn’t matter how busy you are, you eat.

    [31:07] And we’re to desire the sincere milk of the word in order that we might grow thereby.

    Man does not live by bread alone. No. By every word.
    Yeah, so I think one of the things for me, just personally, I guess kind of vulnerably, is when you’re, before things get busy, before there are three toddlers running around and your night schedule, like your 5.30 a.m.
    Time with the Lord and the espresso is nice and the sun is just coming up and everything’s just beautiful, might end up not being that.
    It might end up being miserable because you didn’t have a good night and your kids were up or someone was sick.
    So I think embracing the regimen, if I can use that, embracing the idea of a habit when it’s not, like when the espresso is cold or decaf, you know, and still just like reading the Bible because I have to understand that if I don’t read the Bible I’m not gonna grow and I’m not going to eat, right?
    Like I think embracing the habit is so helpful when life gets chaotic or when you’re on jet lag, or jumping around to different parts.
    Do I look that tired? No, no, no.
    Well, you almost fell off the thing. Yeah. Yeah.

    [32:19] Thanks.

    Yeah, I think all of that is really, really, really important.
    The biggest things in the Christian life are not going out to be a missionary.
    When I was a kid, I used to hear missionary reports in London and I had this romantic notion that I’d love to go to Africa or India or somewhere, which in due course of time disappeared out of my system completely when I read about mosquitoes and other things.
    But I also learned a thing, that the biggest thing in your Christian life is your daily fellowship with God, in which we hear his voice in his word, and he hears our voice when this heart cries to him.
    So there is nothing bigger in the Christian life. So to me, the discipline of our daily reading and our daily time with the Lord.

    [33:16] Is so important. It’s so important that you really need to be prepared to sacrifice just about anything else in order to do it. And nothing can take its place.

    So like what you were saying there, Henri, with all the things we have today that are, kind of helpful, there is a sense in which technology is really, it makes us spread our time out in so many different ways. Like we live in an age where people can get a hold of us no, matter where we are. I mean, you used to be able to take yourself offline. It’s very difficult, basically, to take yourself offline. And so I think if we understand spiritual disciplines correctly, we understand that we have a helper, the Holy Spirit, who wants to make us godly.
    And all of us, regardless of how busy we are, have enough time for these disciplines.
    We just might not have enough time for all the rest of it.
    Like there might be things that we have to cut out in order to read and- Yeah, have to be, have to be.

    [34:20] Have to be some sort of protected time. Yeah, okay. Okay. you know, that you take, you know, from…

    [34:27] 10, you know, or whatever it can be from 8 o’clock to 9 o’clock if you are a student.

    Now, because I have three children and I said the mornings are always crazy.
    When you have younger children, it’s not the mornings, every night might be crazy.
    So again, you have to take and you say this 45 minutes or 30 minutes, whatever it is, I’m dedicated to the Lord. Now, I don’t want to be again, you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, whatever your time.
    If you are on vacations, you might take two hours.
    If you are a student and you are in summer, you are not working or whatever, you might take longer.
    But you have to put on your agenda, on your schedule, on your diary.
    This is my protective time. I switch off my phone and find a quiet place and I read my scripture.
    Now, how you do it can be different systems as chronologically or whatever, But even how to imply to yourself can be other systems.
    I don’t know if we’re going into that, or do you want to go, or how I read the Bible?
    Sure. Okay, so some years ago, many years ago, I started to use notes, you know.

    [35:52] I was young and using notes in the Bible. So if you read, this is not the Bible study, this is more a personal Bible reading.

    So you read a chapter or two chapters, and then you start asking the chapters questions, at least four questions.
    What tells about God? What tells about yourself? What tells about the Lord Jesus?
    What tells about salvation?
    And then this, these questions can be even enlarge. About yourself, is there any sin in your life that you see?
    Is there a thing that you can change?
    And so on. and then you write.

    [36:30] On the margin of your Bible. I’ve developed some sort of system.

    Now, this is not, again, this is not a Bible study where you see, this is daily reading.
    It’s being fed for yourself, not trying to find out for others.
    Now, that goes by default as well, but you know, so. And then another thing that has helped me, was as you meditate during the day, you might have some sort of thoughts.

    [36:57] That you think, oh, that’s really precious, okay?

    Now you have old phones today, we can write that and keeping that for later as you think of a verse or something that sometime can come in while you’re asleep, you know, you’re awake and then, oh yes, that’s very nice.
    And you write it and you keep it into your Bible as a precious thought that maybe the Holy Spirit, has given that to you and that will carry on on you.
    That’s really where I wanted to go.
    I think we understand the need of reading, but maybe the lost art of meditating.
    I think even sometimes using the word, people think of yoga or, or, or like therapy, you, know, Ken Ham, he posted like in his, on the Arc exhibits, taking back the rainbow.
    I think we need to take back meditation, like, uh, meditation belongs to the Christianity.
    It doesn’t belong to yoga.
    You know, it belongs to us and it’s a biblical art. You know, you think of, uh, the Psalmist, Psalm 1, in thy law doth he meditate day and, night. So I think that suggestion is very helpful as far as how to meditate.
    How many of us struggle when we read the Bible then get off and we’re done reading the Bible, maybe it’s breakfast, lunch, what’d you read? Oh, what did I read?
    What did I read now, right?
    And maybe if we spent, like you were saying there about how much you read, maybe if we We read a bit less, but meditated, asked questions of the text. we would.

    [38:20] Yeah, and the difference between yoga or transcendental meditation that the Beatles used to be on about, Is it I think that all that’s to do with emptying your mind, isn’t it?

    Yeah, whereas this is to do with a filling our mind with that which is good, There might there might be lots of people. It might be some people here. You’ve never read the Bible through, In a year say you’ve never done it. So I want to encourage you to do it yeah, I was I was preaching on this once in New Year conference in Manchester and, And I have this little thing that you need to read 3.25 chapters a day to get through the Bible in a year.
    Well, everybody laughs at it at home because I say it so much, but 3.25 chapters a day will take you through the Bible.
    No one reads 3.25 chapters, but if you read three chapters on three days and four on the fourth, and give a whole day to Psalm 119, of course, but adjust it just a little bit.
    But that’s the kind of thing you’re reading. So about 18 months after I was in that part of England and a couple came up to me and they didn’t say, hello, how are you? They just said, it works, it works.

    [39:25] And I didn’t know what they’re on about. I said, what works? So they’re saying about this conference. And I said to them, if you read through the Bible, if you read through it, it’ll become a new book to you. And they had just retired and together they read through the Bible in a year and they were full of it. So I just want to encourage that.

    And so get the discipline, because not as an exercise in itself, but to what it produces, which is what we’re on about, because it produces that whole desire more to live a godly life.

    [40:00] Yeah, meditation, someone has compared it, I think one of the Puritans compared it to lingering by a fire.

    And I mean, you take somebody who on a cold day goes up to a fire and they just stand by it for a little bit, and then they say, oh, I’m still cold, versus somebody who’s lingering and really getting warm, right? Stewing over, percolating, I don’t know.
    Like the idea of really absorbing, right? Like a teabag continually dipping in and letting the scriptures really do their work in us. And I really think that reading, I would totally, endorse that, reading through the Bible in a year. At the same time, I really think if, If you can read something and stew over it, think over it, meditate over it, this is a deep book, it’s a word of God.
    There are depths to this book. How many times you’ve heard a preacher say, I never saw that before until last week.
    I mean, there are depths to this book if we can just continually linger at the fire of the word of God.
    And so that links in with studying. Which is another exercise and another discipline in itself.
    Not just studying for meetings.
    But studying because it’s God’s word. And not just simply saying, what is God saying to me in this?
    To me, but the broader question, what is God saying?

    [41:21] And to spend the time in it, I mean, that is such a time consuming exercise to study the word.

    I want to say to all of us, all of us, I’m speaking to myself, but all of my younger brothers and sisters, you really need to get into Bible study, because in 30 years time, you will have the responsibility.
    Less than that, comes quicker than that. And you need to be equipped and prepared for that, for maybe teaching, for you who will then be older women, teaching the younger women.
    That’s not to do women’s meetings, to do with at home and in the environs that you’re in domestically and so on, teaching younger women, maybe in the home like Priscilla.
    So the study of the word in detail and comprehending and noting and having systems to do that and, keeping at it is really, really important.
    I said to Mr. John Riddle once, what’s the hardest thing you find in Bible study?
    He said the first half hour.
    Sometimes it’s breaking through barriers, getting into it, keeping at it.
    Pretty important.

    [42:43] Can I add, you know, as Ian was saying of responsibilities, you know, in 30 years or so, in 20 years, whatever, I’d like to underline even the timing.

    Okay, you are a young one, young guy, young girl, you don’t have many responsibilities in life.
    Maybe you are just married, you don’t have kids, you have only one kid.
    And then number two comes, and number three comes.
    And the hour, the day is only 24 hours. So, do it now, prepare, go to gym as much as you can now.

    [43:21] And, you know, strangle your muscles and pursue godliness and train yourself into, you know, Bible reading and then we’ll have to pray, speak of prayer, you know, meditation.

    And later on, you’ll start work, or if you have not started yet in the life, people like me, I film myself, I’m young, but people like me see how life busy is, and you guys have plenty of that time.
    Yeah, I think, very good, very good, Andrei. We’ll move, that was very good to touch on studying, and we’ll move to prayer.
    I just had here as well a word on memorization, also a lost art today. It seems that meditation would really help that. For some of us, it might just be, and I don’t mean to take pot shots, but the last time we memorized a verse was for the Sunday school treat. You understand that it is a command as well to hide the Word of God in your heart, that you may not sin against Him, that the sword of the Spirit is not the Bible in leather, it’s the Bible that you have in your heart. So I think memorizing is such a needed thing as well. Don’t have time to really go through that. Let’s go to this next one, prayer.
    I think when it comes to the Bible, many of us, although we would like to see our Bible reading maybe shored up a bit, I think when it comes to prayer, we usually find ourselves ourselves flat on our face with how.

    [44:45] Um, difficult it is to really pray, you know, not just bless my family, bless my kids, bless my grandkids, but pray.

    And would you agree with this statement that a godly man is a praying man?
    Um, and so any help on structures for prayer beyond just, you know, my personal needs, of course that’s necessary, but as a family, not even in the assembly, but for the assembly in private or for the work, the need for prayer.
    I was telling someone just yesterday that there’s a brother in England, he was a Scots brother, but he lived in England called Mr. J.B. Hewitt.
    You might have seen books that he’s done, Joe Hewitt.

    [45:32] So when I was 13, he was staying in our house over the weekend for the Saturday Bible reading and the Sunday.

    So, the next week I got a letter from him.
    He said, dear Ian, blah, blah, blah, I will be praying for you every other Tuesday.
    Which I thought was a bizarre thing when I was 13. I was very happy.
    But every other Tuesday.
    And I spoke later to somebody who knew him well, a lot of years later.
    He said, oh, that’s what he did. He had a prayer list for every day.
    And his young men prayer list was every other Tuesday. So he must’ve had 14 prayer lists, I think.

    [46:12] Wow. So, you know, that’s one way that might appeal to people in the discipline of prayer.

    But coming back to it, I think prayer is harder than Bible reading.
    I really, really do. And I also think that it’s really, really important.
    And as you say, there’s no godliness without prayer.
    Actually, there’s not anything without prayer. and I think we’ve fallen down on this.
    If I could just tell you this little story. I was sharing meetings in Scotland with Mr. Peter Brandon, who in more conservative assemblies had a bit of a reputation as being more open, and in more open assemblies had a reputation of being not open.
    So he got knocked by both sides. He was one of the godliest men I ever knew.
    So we were sharing these meetings and he said to me over a weekend, he said, Ian, before every meeting, I want you to come to my room and we’ll pray.

    [47:18] So, we knelt at the side of his bed and Peter started praying.

    I knew him well, he had brothers in our assembly, but he started praying and I had to say to the Lord quietly, I said, Lord, I have never learned to pray because what he had done in his life was cultivate an intimacy and a reverential closeness to the Lord like I don’t think, I’ve ever heard with anybody else.
    And I went away, I really did say to the Lord, Lord, I just haven’t, I felt very reproved, that my prayer life was so second rate compared to what it could have been.
    But it’s from prayer, the power in living, the power in service, and everything else comes from that communion with God in prayer.

    [48:17] So it goes with that Bible reading, where we’re hearing God, but in prayer, God is hearing us.

    And that communion between us and him is the thing that will lead to godliness.
    Yeah, can I add, when Paul read to first Thessalonians, It’s prayer without ceasing.
    So somebody called the doctor and said, the son has a cough, is coughing without ceasing.
    It’s not that he starts coughing and is coughing 24-7 without any gaps between, but he is coughing continuously.
    Prayer without ceasing means that my mind is enter the divine realm.
    As we talked of the Holy Spirit having a grip on us.
    And that means that my mind goes to be in fellowship, in communion, not only those 45 minutes that I have in the morning, but constantly to see, to walk in the presence of God.

    [49:25] When I am in my car, when I am in the bus, you know, when I have a free moment in a way.

    So to, as you said in the morning, to put God into my equation, or better, to put myself into the equation of God.
    So pray without ceasing means having that fixed.

    [49:45] So there’s like the idea of living in prayer, and so you’re talking about living in it.

    And then there’s the idea of maybe a specific time of prayer, which our brother just mentioned that this brother had every Tuesday.
    Then there’s the instant prayers. Like before I was opening this, just a, Lord help me, right? Nehemiah type prayer.
    So in other words, prayer is life. Prayer is air.
    And to not pray is to not breathe. Just like to not read is to not eat.
    And so I hope it makes sense.
    I think that’s very helpful, a prayer list.
    I found myself, just to come to maybe something practical for the local assembly, I found myself struggling very much to pray in the weekly prayer meeting for needs if I’m not praying for those needs outside the weekly prayer meeting.
    Seems like I just come and then gotta get burdened about it.
    And I think that’s kind of where I was going as well. Not just praying, Lord, bless me and my family and this need and that need.
    And confession of sin is another thing we haven’t covered, but that, as God speaks to you, praying that right when you notice it to confess that sin, but also praying for the believers, praying for the work.
    I was touched by a verse in 2 Corinthians 1. The apostle tells those believers, you have helped me by your prayers.
    That’s powerful that you can help the work by praying. And it’s not just a little nicety, you can actually help.

    [51:09] So yeah, the need for prayer. We’re not going to get to my body and I, uh, that’s okay.

    The communion, communion is the only way to godliness.
    I think that’s okay to not get to my body. And I was thinking of our mind and that again, would touch on our, on what we’re reading, our eyes, we live in a world that is very visually provocative and to be, disciplined about our eyes.
    Like the, like Job said, I’ve made a covenant with my eye, our tongue, the book of James, the discipline of our tongue.
    But I hope that from this session we can at least take away this, that if we want to be godly, we must be disciplined in reading, meditating, studying, memorizing, and in prayer.
    Communion is the powerhouse, and we neglect it to our peril.

    52 min
  • Ministry (J Baker)

    Personal and practical godliness.

    https://media.jjministry.org/Conf2022_06JBaker20220917.m4a

    [0:02] Now, good morning, I’d like to read the first book of the Bible, the book of Genesis, please.

    Genesis in chapter 39.
    My privilege to join in this 80th Bible Conference with the Midland Park Assembly.
    Always a privilege to be back in Midland Park and work with the Christians here, and as, well see so many who have come from other places.
    Thanks for being here.
    I have a burden on my heart for this opening message, wasn’t able to really shake it in, full transparency, don’t feel the most qualified to speak on it, but it is a burden I feel first of all for myself and I feel for the assemblies represented here, Christians represented here and in other parts of North America.
    Genesis chapter 39, and we’ll begin at verse 7.

    [1:00] And it came to pass after these things that his master’s wife cast her eyes upon Joseph.

    And she said, lie with me.
    But he refused and said unto his master’s wife, behold my master, what if not what is with me in the house?
    And he hath committed all that he hath to my hand. There is none greater in this house than I.
    Neither hath he kept back anything from me but thee, because thou art his wife.
    How then can I do this great wickedness and sin against God? Over to chapter 40.
    Stories well known. We’ll just break in for some scattered readings.
    Chapter 40 and verse 8.
    And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it.
    And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God?
    Tell me them, I pray you.

    [1:59] And verse 15, and Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream and there is none that can interpret it. And I have heard say of thee that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it.

    And Joseph answered Pharaoh saying, it is not in me. God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.
    Chapter 50 and verse 20 speaking to his brothers but as for you you thought evil against me but, god meant it unto good to bring to pass as it is this day to save much people alive now Over to to the 12th Psalm for my text, really that’s on my heart this morning, the 12th Psalm.
    To the chief musician upon Shemineth, a psalm of David, help, Lord, for the godly ceaseth.

    [3:17] We will begin with a bit of a lament. It’s not meant to discourage anyone, but hopefully it’ll get our eyes fixed for this weekend.

    This is my text this morning.
    We heard about a prayer last night, and I was very encouraged by the prayers even of, brethren last night, this is a prayer that’s on my heart, first of all for myself.
    Help, Lord, for the godly ceaseth. I would like to speak to you about the necessity for personal, practical godliness.

    [3:57] I want to talk in this message about the desperate need. That’s really what we have in this 12th Psalm.

    Help, Lord! Save, Lord! The psalmist is in a place where the wicked are camouflaging themselves.
    They’re looking faithful. They’re saying the right things, but they’re flattering.
    And the psalmist understands this, that I can’t tell who’s true and who’s not, who’s putting on the mask and who’s not. And the faithful and the godly are nearly all gone. And maybe it’s like a Elijah experience for David here and the Lord is going to remind him that there are there are certainly those who are still godly and yet From his heart he cries out, Save us Lord, The godly are gone and I have felt this very much Every funeral that seems to take place where whereabouts I live. I can’t look at the people who pass away and say oh, oh, We’ve lost greatly gifted people. I, I don’t look at the casket and think, oh, we’ve lost people who had a real stamp in our community.
    They had a lot of connections.
    But we’ve lost godly people, and we haven’t replaced them.

    [5:06] And where there is a real need in my own heart, first of all, and in the need, I think, for all of us, for practical godliness.

    And it must begin here, with David in the 12th Psalm, with an acknowledgement, with It’s a passionate desperation, Lord save us.
    The godly are gone.
    Where are the godly? And so that’s what I’d like to take up.
    Someone has said this, there is no higher compliment that can be paid to a Christian, than to call him godly.

    [5:39] He might be a conscientious parent, a zealous worker in the assembly, a dynamic spokesman for Christ, a talented leader.

    But none of those things matter if at the same time he is not a godly person.
    The great thing in an auditorium like this with such scattered needs, this is nothing gifted dependent.
    It doesn’t matter if you’re a preacher, it doesn’t matter if you have leadership qualities to one day be an overseer, it doesn’t matter if you’re greatly gifted in a certain area.
    Godliness is expected and commanded for all believers.
    And so I would like to look at godliness today. Someone also wrote, and it quite discouraged me, that to give an address on godliness in the 21st century is to have everyone at the same time to tune off.
    Because he said not too many people are interested in practical godliness.
    Better to give an address on how to build a church, or on a building project.
    Get people excited about things to do, or mission to a city nearby.
    Everyone will get excited about that, and we should.
    But personal godliness? No one will listen to you.
    And then he said something that kind of bothered me.
    He said no one in the millennial generation will listen to you.
    I think millennials have been given a bad rap.

    [7:06] I guess I am one, but I think they’ve been giving a bad rap.

    Perhaps the reason why we somehow shirk back from a message on godliness is because, we don’t know what godliness is.
    There’s a vagueness to godliness and that’s what I want to do today. I want to begin with this need for practical, personal godliness, this desperate cry, save us lord, intervene god.
    The godly are gone. But I want to move now to what godliness is. What’s the definition of it?
    Let me begin by what godliness is not. Often with virtues in the Bible, if we can begin here. What is godliness not? Godliness is not somberness.
    Godliness is not having the longest face possible. It is not gritting your teeth and being morbid, and sad through life. That is not godliness. Godliness is not joylessness. It’s not having, no fun, no pleasure. No, those things are not consistent with godliness.
    As we’ve already talked about, godliness is not giftedness.

    [8:24] Godliness is not intelligence.

    Godliness is not success. Godliness is not being connected. Godliness is not wealth.
    You see, I sometimes look just in my little corner of the world and I think, We have successful people. We have connected people. We have gifted people.
    But godliness is not any of those things. Godliness is not the absence of wealth.
    Just to balance it. That’s not godliness. Godliness is not merely orthodoxy. It is not merely somebody who holds all the right doctrines.
    Now, you’d hard to find a person who’s godly who doesn’t hold the right doctrines, but a person could hold the right doctrines and not be godly.
    It is possible to be very orthodox in one’s doctrine, upright in one’s behavior, and not be godly.

    [9:25] Godliness, we’ll learn, is not optional. It’s a command. It’s a command for me.

    It’s a command for you to be godly. What is godliness linked with? This will also help us.
    Some people think godliness is linked with kind of like a legalistic, a rigid person, and they follow all the rules. Do you know godliness is linked with grace? Says Paul to Titus, the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, godly in this present age. And so a person who is Godly is a student of grace. It is grace that produces godliness, not rules. Grace.
    Godliness is also linked with persecution. Says Paul to Timothy, all that live godly will suffer persecution.

    [10:35] I was thinking about this last night in the prayer meeting. The number of addresses that we would become more like the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Godliness is linked with Christ.
    Great is the mystery of godliness. God was manifest in the flesh.
    Godliness is linked with the Lord Jesus. If you would like to be like Christ, You must be godly.

    [11:06] So what is godliness? Well, we’ve read an example that we’re going to come to in the life of this man Joseph, but let me give you a definition. We kind of know what manliness is, right? We can see, when somebody’s not manly, right? Manliness, be like a man. Godliness, sometimes we can think, is to be like God. Now, strictly speaking, I don’t think that’s an accurate definition of godliness, at least not the word that’s used here over and over in 1 and 2 Timothy and the book of Titus, and even in your Old Testament, godliness is not so much to be like God, although that is a result of godliness. A person who is godly will become, in a greater degree, more and more like God.

    [11:47] But godliness is to be toward God. Godliness is a God-towardness. You say, great, you’ve just explained something we don’t know what that means.

    Godliness is to be centered on God, focused on God. Another, I’ll give you what Mr. Vine says, godliness is to be devoted. It denotes a piety, sometimes if you have a different translation of the Bible, a godly person will be called pious. It denotes a piety which is characterized by a God-word attitude, and, does that which is pleasing to Him. You say, okay, the opposite of godliness is worldliness, but I think the opposite of godliness as well is not so much hating God, God, but forgetting God.

    [12:41] You see, a godly person is God-toward. Their life is toward God, is centered on God.

    The opposite of godliness is like a practical atheism, where we forget God.
    Now, no one here, I doubt, is an atheist. But we can all be practical atheists.
    There are times in our lives where we can forget God. Like, God doesn’t have anything to do with, that. Some people think that if you’re godly, you’ll never go on a vacation.
    That used to be said from pulpits, from what I’ve been told. Now, that’s not true.
    But if you’re godly, you won’t go on a vacation without God.

    [13:23] Your vacation will be governed by bringing God along with you, by doing it in fellowship with Him. Not by doing it and saying, oh God, I know you care about Sundays, and I know you care about ministry meetings, but like this is a vacation, great deal, I’m going. No, no, no, that’s ungodliness.

    Godliness is centered, focused, focused on God. It is the idea when you say God-towardness, it’s the idea of seeing God and bringing God into every area of my life. Godliness, you see, blows apart the compartmentalized life. The life that says, well, this is for work, and this is for my family, and this is for the assembly.” No, no, no. Godliness blows it all apart because Because God has something to say and sway in every area of life.

    [14:13] So let’s just look in the remaining time at this example. You know, I think when it comes to, any word, any word we learned, I have children all four and younger, and when they learn a word, it’s not because I open up a dictionary and tell them running means to vigorously extend your right leg in front of your left leg. No, I mean, you could say that and they’ll know, but you just, watch somebody, that’s running! And they clue in, that’s running. And I think for us as believers as well, if you want to know what godliness is, you could listen to what Mr. Vine’s dictionary is, and you could have that definition and do you good in a Bible reading somewhere, but you might not know actually what it means. That piousness, that God-to-word attitude. Yes, it’s okay to say that. What does it mean? And I think we have an example in the life of this young man, Joseph.

    You see, we have read over and over in the life of Joseph while he’s in Egypt of specific situations where he brings God right into it.

    [15:18] We have read in those verses that we took the time to read of Joseph referencing God. That’s godliness.

    That it’s not just when Joseph is with his mom and dad, it’s not just when he’s in the land that’s going to be that promised land, but no, even when he’s out in Egypt, out in the world, like most of us are going to go back to come Monday morning, and Joseph over and over brings, in God. That’s godliness. This is godliness, this God-centered, God-to-word attitude. Godliness, I guess, is a twin of the fear of God. They go together. And so we see it in the life of Joseph.
    And let me just go through them in the next 10 to 15 minutes.

    [16:03] We notice, first of all, it’s a young man.

    I hope there’s nobody here who thinks that godliness is only something I graduate to when I’m 80, and when people visit me, they say, well, that’s a godly sister.
    No.
    No, we need godly young men.
    I have a plea today. A plea. It’s my burden.
    I’m not sure how good I’m going to be at getting it all and organizing it all in the life of Joseph, but I want you to understand my burden. We need godly young men and young women.

    [16:35] Go in for godliness. Go in for it. Understand this, that your success, whether or not you will be pleasing to the Lord, will not matter so much about how gifted you are, or how successful you are, or how influential you are. Go in for godliness. Go in for living for the eye of one.

    Joseph. First of all, we find him, the first time he brings God in, is in this temptation.
    Potiphar’s wife. And she comes, and the first time you know it, you know the story, and then she comes again and again. Here’s Joseph in the land of Egypt, Forsaken and sold by his brothers.

    [17:29] If there was ever a man who would think, why live for God? It’s Joseph.

    Here he is and he’s just been taken to this foreign land, separated from his own father, whom he had a very special relationship with.
    Separated from his family, a slave in Potiphar’s house.
    Now a temptation comes.
    I’ll be very surprised if there is nobody in this auditorium tonight who cannot relate with the temptation that Joseph just felt that we’ve read about.
    We live in a seductive, sex-crazed, pornographic world.

    [18:13] And it is not my intention to make anyone overwhelmed with feelings of guilt at the, same time, would you like to know how to face temptation in godliness?

    Look at this man.
    Here comes the temptation.
    And this is what Joseph says, How can I do this great wickedness and sin against God?
    God. God. He brings God into the temptation. And in this foreign land, where there are many gods, Pharaoh’s God, Joseph says, no, there is one God. And when the temptation assaults him, it’s so strong, he just has to flee from it, which the Bible says we must flee from fornication.
    But Joseph understands this, that even though he’s separated from his mom and dad, even though he’s in a foreign land where nobody who knows him can see him. He understands this, that even there God sees him, and he’s accountable to God, and he brings God right into the temptation.
    That’s how you endure temptation in a godly way. You bring God into it. Bring God into it.
    When the temptation comes, hard day at work or school, all alone, laptop, computer, Private browsing is open. Bring in God. It’s for your life. It’s for your life.

    [19:37] Please understand, it’s not a small thing. It’s gonna affect your mind. It’s gonna affect your life. Bring in God. Greater is He that is in you than he that is in this world. Bring him in. That’s what Joseph did. He understood this, I am accountable to God and he brings in God and then he flees. Moving to the next part, then he’s put into the prison. Things just seem to be getting from bad to worse. He has a revelation from God in his hometown.

    I don’t think he shared it because he was proud. I think he shared it because he had a revelation from God and as a result of that he’s thrown into a pit sold as a slave, now he, as a slave, facing a temptation from a very influential woman, He stands righteous and he gets put in prison.

    [20:33] I say there are times in our lives where it’s like, God has let me down.

    And here’s Joseph in prison. Butler and Baker are there.

    [20:45] And Joseph understands this, that when it comes to anything, I’m going to do for God.

    Not just my accountability before him and temptation, but anything I’m going to do.
    You notice what he said. He says, do not interpretations belong to God. You tell the dreams, to me. Some people have said that this is when Joseph sinned. This was pride from this young man. After all, here he is in Egypt and he says, these things belong to God, but you tell him to me.
    I think that is a very low estimation of this young man. You know what I think it was? I I think Joseph understood this, that even though I’m in prison, God is with me.
    And the God who is able to interpret your dreams, I rely wholly on him to interpret the dreams through me.
    And a person goes through service for God, right? Whatever it is that you’re called to do, whatever it is that God has gifted you to do in your own local assembly, you do that in the good.
    How do I serve godly?
    By depending on God. By understanding it’s God who is going to do it through you.
    This kind of work belongs to God, but God, I rely on Him, and He’ll do it through me.

    [22:05] Then he gets put into Pharaoh’s palace, this young man, and it’s been a bit of a while, right?

    He tells the butler, remember me? You’re graduating there. You’re going back.
    Cup again. Just remember me. Tell Pharaoh about me.” And you know the story, the butler forgets Joseph.
    And all these years pass Like just I think sometimes we we spiritualize joseph so much. We he’s a beautiful picture of the lord. Jesus We forget this is a real young man as real as any of you here tonight today, Right. He has a sinful nature. He has a heart that’s deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, This is not a superman. This is a young man, And here he is forgotten by god for years, it seems There he is faithful righteous doing everything right in prison, and now the butler even forgets him, and now, Pharaoh has dreams, and Pharaoh’s calling for Joseph, and Joseph’s shaved, and he’s brought right before Pharaoh, and graduation day has come. Joseph, take the glory! Take it! It’s yours! And Pharaoh says, oh I’ve heard great things about you, Joseph. I’ve heard that you’re the man, you’re the guy who can interpret dreams.

    [23:19] And Joseph says, this is only done by God. Right in the midst of success. Can you imagine?

    Pharaoh thought he was God. Imagine quoting God, the God of the Hebrews, the God of the Israelites.
    That could be enough to get you back into prison.
    And yet Joseph doesn’t care. He understands this.
    If anything’s going to happen with this man’s dreams, I want you to understand, first of Pharaoh. It’s only going to happen by God. And he brings God into his success.
    Sometimes it’s easy to forget God in trial, right? We know that from the life of Job, a misunderstanding of God. God has set me as his target and we can forget God in trial.
    I think it’s easier to forget them when things are going well.

    [24:14] When the promotion comes, when the new house comes, when everything’s going well, everything’s just great, we forget God.

    I think very soberly of another man in the Bible, David. I think he’s also an example of of a godly young man, says of David, his heart, right?
    I have sought out for myself one who is after my heart. I don’t think that’s so much means, although it may be part of it, that David had a heart, that was pleasing in the sight of the Lord, but we understand that David’s heart was deceitful as well.
    I think when it says he was after the Lord’s heart, it’s just he was after it.
    He was pursuing it, right?
    Context when that verse is said, David, a man after the Lord’s heart, it said, Saul, who did not do my will. But David, who is after my heart, who will do my will, here’s a person who is searching and longing after God’s heart. And over and over in the life of that man, he inquired after the Lord. He inquired after the Lord, except for one chapter in his life.

    [25:30] And it’s all successful. And Saul’s gone. And the armies are conquered.

    And you read through that chapter. A time when kings go out to battle and David’s not going.

    [25:44] And no mention of God.

    Just about David.
    Success. Very easy. Very easy to forget God when things are going well.
    But Joseph, first thing, he brings God in. Bring God in. That’s godliness.
    Bring God into the temptation. If there’s a young man, young woman here today, and this week has been filled with clearing history, hiding, You know what it is to come to the Lord’s Supper, blushing, worried. Listen, bring God into it.
    Bring God into it. I’m not giving a simplistic answer. I understand that these things need to be nuanced, but that’s where we start. We start by bringing God into it. We don’t start with programs and all the other things that are helpful and accountability partners.
    First, bring God in. Get the first accountability partner. There’s power. If you’re a believer, There’s power and bringing the Lord in, If you’re doing service for God you feel overwhelmed Bring God into it Bring God, Success bring God’s praise into it, David we Joseph I mean we didn’t read about it, but when gifts come from God those two boys, He he names his sons God has made me forget.

    [27:07] God, the Lord, has made me fruitful.

    Right?
    Even in looking at his children, he brings God into it. Gifts.
    You see, everything about this young man in his life, I’m not saying by any means he was perfect, but everything about him, he continually is bringing God.
    Now, this is godliness.
    You say, what does that mean, God-towardness? That’s Joseph.
    It’s bringing God in. Centered, focused on God everywhere he goes, no matter the situation, temptation, trials, success, gifts from God.
    Likely in this conference there are people, and you struggle with what I imagine Joseph must have struggled with, bitterness.
    Bitterness is a dark place.

    [28:04] It’s self-eating, destroys a person, bitterness, discouragement, taking pot shots at people.

    And it’s one thing to have bitterness, you know, towards the neighbor who put up a fence.
    Oh, well, he’s just a person in the world.
    But really, I think if we’re honest, most of that doesn’t affect us.
    It’s just bitterness within.
    It’s just a believer that we can’t believe they did that. Irritation, and the root goes down deep, and then we water the root with our pity and our tears and then it grows up into something that’s very hard to remove.
    You know, I don’t know what you’ve been through in your life in the local assembly.
    It’s easy to have bitterness creep in.
    I doubt that you’ve been through what this young man went through.

    [29:04] Put into a pit, stripped, sold, and now here comes bros. There they come.

    And he puts them through a test. skipping over that, but he wants to make sure they’re truly repentant.
    And now his dad has passed away. Think of all the years Joseph missed of time with his father.
    And as he looks at those boys, he could very easily understand it’s all because of you.
    It’s your fault! Your fault that I missed all that time and now I buried him!
    And they’re all worried. What’s Joseph going to do now that dad’s gone?
    And it says that Joseph, he wept.

    [29:53] And in a time where bitterness could take over or discouragement, he turns to those boys and he says, you meant it for evil, but God, he brings in God, God meant it for good.

    And the man who I think has every really reason to be bitter, he understands this.
    God was in control. God was in control through it all. He sent me to preserve your life, to save your life.
    And although you meant it for evil, God meant it for good.
    You see, here’s a young man, and when it comes to godliness, he’s not put in a bubble. He’s not a monk.
    He’s not sitting in a study surrounded by beautiful books from the 18th century.
    He’s in a real world, a hostile world, and he’s facing temptation, and he’s facing pride, and he’s facing bitterness.
    But Joseph is godly, for he brings in God.
    And that brings me to the conclusion for this opening message.
    I don’t want to deflate an expectation for this weekend with a conference, but I just want to begin.
    I hope we all can unite with this prayer.
    Perhaps you know people in your life and they were godly and they’re gone.

    [31:23] Save, Lord! Help us, Lord! Intervene, Lord! The godly are nearly extinct!

    And more than that, Lord, no matter how gifted I am or not, how successful I am or not, by whatever means necessary, make me godly. Make me godly! That’s what God wants for you.
    Godliness with contentment, says the Apostle Paul, is great gain.
    And so, this is just my burden for the weekend, really.
    That from this conference, through the messages that will be weaved together by the Spirit of God, we would grow in godliness.
    We would leave this weekend more godly.
    More godly. Hopefully more knowledgeable. Hopefully learning things from the Bible, but more godly.
    And so may God, may God intervene.
    For the godly are nearly extinct. And yet there is hope, if we begin, as David did, in dependence.

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    Sent to spread the gospel.

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    [0:01] Book of Acts, Acts chapter 1, and we’ll break into the passage of verse 4. This is thrilling reading, isn’t it, in the book of Acts and the great history of the spread of the gospel, as the Lord begins to call out of the nations a people for His name. And in this opening section of the book of Acts we learn some very pertinent things in relation to that.

    And the Lord of course has showed himself alive by many infallible proofs.
    Verse 4 says this, and being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father which saith he, you’ve, heard of me, for John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the, Holy Ghost not many days hence.’ When they therefore were come together, they asked of him saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    [1:14] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons which, the Father hath put in his own power, but ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you, and ye shall be witnesses unto me, both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.’ And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up, and a cloud received him out of their sight.

    And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven, as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
    This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as, ye have seen him go into heaven.
    The Lord will bless to us.
    His Word.
    We’re often reminded by our preaching brothers that verse 8 contains a division of the book of Acts.

    [2:35] And when you’re reading in the book, you learn in the first seven chapters of the way in which the gospel spread in Jerusalem and in all Judea.

    [2:47] And at that time the gospel was preached in those environs and not beyond and indeed in an amazing way, the kingdom was offered again to the nation of Israel, but that nation that refused our Saviour while he was here, the king in their midst, refused him when he had gone back to heaven.

    The nobleman’s son returning to the far country and they sent a message after him in the stoning of Stephen when they said, we will not have this man to reign over us and the Messiah who was rejected on earth is the Messiah who was yet rejected in heaven. Then from chapter 8 onwards, you begin to read of the gospel going to Samaria and as we read from our brother earlier, from, Samaria upon the persecution that arose from Stephen’s martyrdom, they went up and they went to Antioch, all the way speaking the gospel and telling others about the great news of the Savior.
    And when you come to chapter 13, which we also read from earlier, separate me now Saul and Barnabas, and there they were separated and the gospel was going, to go out to the uttermost parts of the earth. Do you know one day the gospel reached Albania, which, by the way, is not as far out into the uttermost parts of the earth as America.

    [4:14] I know you all think that America is the sort of center of the universe. I have news to tell you, it’s in the far reaches of this verse in Acts chapter 1 and verse 8. I’m glad for the fact the gospel went to Albania earlier on, Illyricum, and I’m glad of the time the gospel came to the shores of my country and to England and how it was spread and through a lot of British history, into the far corners of the world, the Lord taking up that in His providence.

    And ultimately right out to the far corners of the world. How wonderful, exciting, invigorating, stimulating to read of the fact that the gospel was intended to go to the uttermost hearts of the earth as the gospel was preached to all and sundry in order that so many multitudes might come to know the Saviour. And of course these disciples were recognising, they were cognisant of the fact, that the Lord Jesus had said to them after his resurrection, but before this that we read of in Acts chapter 1. He said, as my father hath sent me, even so send I you. As my father hath sent me, even so send I you. And as they listened to our Lord in that room with the doors locked.

    [5:42] And they having fear of the Jews, he’s telling them that he’s sending them and, he’s sending them on the same mission that the Father had sent him on, and as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And it may be that the voice of Christ, risen and powerful, might resonate in the heart and soul and conscience and and spiritual experience of somebody in our meeting today.

    As my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And the you might not be the person next to you, but Christ in his risen power addresses you. And in the conference this afternoon you hear his word, you recognize his voice, you’re stirred in your soul as my father hath sent me even so send i you may i remind you, that Christ has no tongue except yours.

    [6:48] Christ has no feet to go except yours. Christ has no hand to work save yours.

    And what a happy thing if today in our meeting, maybe in the life of some young believer or some older believer, you come to the recognition that Christ is speaking to you and that from this moment onwards instead of living a life for your career and for your advantage and for your benefit.

    [7:20] You are willing to say to the Lord who saved you that in actual fact I am willing to lay down my life for thee that wherever thou descend me round the corner or round the world Lord I am ready, I am willing, I am prepared, to do as thou wouldst have me do, as Saul of Tarsus when he was saved.

    Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And in love for Christ, and in love for a world that’s perishing and lost and breaking and devastated by the increasing impact of sin, as the mystery of iniquity goes into turbo charge, still there comes a call that gospel light might shine.

    [8:09] And it will only shine as his people stand and count the cost and out of love for Christ, are prepared at whatever cost to make him known. And so thrilling when we come to the beginning of the book of Acts and what the Savior is saying is this, that the great mission of the Father on which he had been sent and the continuing mission that these men were given now would go not just to the limited regions of Jerusalem and Judea but to go to Samaria, what a read that is, about Philip in Samaria and ultimately to the uttermost part of the earth.

    [8:54] There’s a very interesting thing in the book of Acts at the beginning here which will help us to understand what was going on and help us in our day.

    The disciples, those that were with the Lord, probably not just the 12 here but others as well, they had heard what the Lord said to them and when they would come together, they had a question for the Lord and the question that they had for the Lord really showed where their understanding was in relation to the things I want to talk to you about, because they’re saying to the Lord, Lord wilt thou restore the kingdom again to Israel? No, they didn’t ask that. So what they asked was this, they asked Lord wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    [9:45] You remember that they had great difficulty in realizing that their Lord whom they were following in the Gospels was actually going to suffer and to bleed and die, because here was the king in their midst and the idea would have been this that they would were thinking that he had come to establish the kingdom and to rid them certainly of the Roman yoke and to set up that messianic kingdom of which the bible is full in the old testament in his predictions that a king shall reign in zion and of course that was the hope of israel, that’s contained in the abrahamic covenant it’s contained in the palestinian covenant, it’s contained in the davidic covenant that is to say in promises unconditional given to abraham, and given to David about the land and about a king who would reign.

    [10:42] Isn’t it wonderful, by the way, to read through some of those Old Testament prophets? I mean, it’s a bit hard going sometimes. I know you all prefer the New Testament section of Isaiah to the Old Testament section. Well, I guess everybody does, but it’s far easier to read about comfort ye my people than woe unto Jerusalem in chapter 29 or wherever. And you plow through some, but you come to those wonderful sections in the prophets that speak of the fact that a king shall reign in righteousness and a king shall reign and prosper and you read in chapters like Isaiah 11 and elsewhere and then in Romans 8 how that the whole creation is going to be delivered from the bondage of corruption and it won’t be that wolves and lambs and sheep and asps and lions and all and children are all going to be at odds with each other. The wonderful fact is this that the bondage of corruption into which creation was placed at the beginning will be, they’ll be delivered from it and a king shall reign and Edenic conditions more or less will return in the millennial kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and if you were a Jew in the Old Testament this was your hope, this was your hope, it still is the hope of orthodox Jews.

    [12:06] In North Manchester, near where Stephen and Carol used to live. I remember sitting at traffic lights, in North Manchester one day and it was on a corner and right the way around the corner on a wall, there was painted, beautiful inscription as I remember and what it was saying is this, that the Messiah is coming. It’s a very Jewish area of North Manchester in England.

    [12:32] Messiah is coming, Moshiach is coming, and that was their hope in the Old Testament, and the disciples, this was their hope. So now Christ has died and is risen, and they’re asking this question, will thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    Now I want you to understand something, the fact that Christ has died, and the fact that we are now living in a dispensation where God is calling out of the the nations of people for his name and in which the church is being formed, I want to talk to you about in just a moment, the fact that we are living in this era, this distinct dispensation, has not for one minute meant that the, promises given to Israel have been annulled or abrogated. In other words, those promises are still good. At the moment, that program, God’s kingdom program, in which his great purpose and design is that there will be a manifested, mediatorial kingdom for a thousand years on earth, that program is, at the moment, as it were, don’t make me an offender for a word, as it were, it is is on hold.

    [13:57] God is not now dealing in that way. God now is dealing in another way and it is this, that he’s calling out of all of the nations, a people for his name. Isn’t that wonderful?

    When you get to the Old Testament, it was to do with Israel my son, my firstborn.
    The only have I known of all the nations of the earth.
    God is dealing in particular with the nation, you know the story, but aren’t you glad, I’m glad, aren’t you glad that now it’s not like that?

    [14:35] And here God the Lord is forming that body which is the church, but the fact that God is doing that, does not mean that God will not fulfill His promise to the nation of Israel. Now follow this carefully. They say, wilt thou restore again the kingdom to Israel? No, they had no doubt that God would keep his promises. Now I’m amazed that people take an amillennial position, where they say that actually that whole program of the establishment of the manifested kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ will not be fulfilled. It’s being spiritually fulfilled now in the church.

    I just say to you, don’t believe a word of it. When you’re reading in Romans 11 at the end, there are multiple reasons for believing that God is going to take up again his dealings with Israel as a nation and in connection with that and them being the head of the nations and not the tail, He’s going to establish that kingdom of which our Bible speaks.
    So the disciples had no doubt about that. They did not say, wilt thou restore again the kingdom to Israel?
    But what they did say was, wilt thou at this time?
    Will you do it now, Lord? Do you see that?

    [15:58] And the Lord didn’t say to them no, but the Lord did say something different was going to happen.

    [16:07] So instead now of a king coming in glory and a king coming in power and in might, to Jerusalem, instead of that from Jerusalem they would go out.

    [16:22] So what he’s going to say to them is, look, actually the Father has put in his own power the times and seasons and it’s not for you to know that. This expression times and seasons has always to do with the nation of Israel and it always has to do with that which is on earth.

    So he says, look, it’s not for you to know the times and the seasons, the Father’s put that in in his own power, but the thing I want you to know is this, you shall receive power, and what he says is this, that you receive power after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you, and then you’ll be witnesses unto me. So what he’s saying is this, that the age that was being ushered in was marked at its beginning by this that he says about the Holy Spirit.
    In verse 8, the Holy Spirit will come upon you but look back the way and in verse number 5 we read that John truly baptized with water but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence. So the Lord Jesus is marking out the beginning of the church age, that it would actually be begun by the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

    [17:47] I want to talk to you about that just for a moment because we’re living in an age when there’s whole heaps of confusion about the baptism in the Holy Spirit and I want to put this to you, that the baptism in the Holy Spirit was a one-off historic never-to-be-repeated event, that happened on one day in history and that one day in history was on the day of Pentecost, And whenever anybody is saved, they come into the benefit and into the good of that which happened on that one day in history.

    Now I don’t have time this afternoon to expand very much on that, but you might remember that the Apostle Paul is writing to the Corinthians in chapter 12, and he’s speaking to them about that.
    And in that chapter, he’s going to speak to them about the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
    The late Mr. Hunter used to tell us that it was the only apostolic exegesis of what happened on the day of Pentecost.

    [18:57] So on the day of Pentecost, Paul’s speaking about it in 1 Corinthians 12, 12, and he says that in one spirit are we all baptized into one body whether we be Jews or Gentiles whether we be bond or free. I remember well Mr Jack Hunter speaking to us on this the baptism in the Holy Spirit he used to put it like this that in any baptism there are four elements, At the first is the person who’s going to do the baptizing.

    [19:37] So in any baptism this is the case. If someone’s getting baptized in connection with your assembly, someone has got to do the baptizing. Somebody who hopes the immersion heater for the water is working, especially in winter baptisms. But someone’s got to do the baptizing. Secondly, there has to be the candidate for baptism.

    [19:59] Thirdly, there has to be the element in which the baptism took place.

    And fourthly, it’s unto something. So in water baptism, somebody does the baptizing, the new believer, we trust the new believer. By the way, if you’re a believer but not baptized, you really should be. Don’t wait for a flash of lightning or a word from the brethren, just get exercise, because it’s an anomaly to be an unbaptized believer. Anyway, here’s the person doing the baptizing, here’s the candidate for baptism, here’s the water, and it’s unto Christ. In my baptism what I’ve said is this, that I’ve died to sin, I’m laid in the same grave as my Savior in that, but I’m also now in union with a risen Christ, and in association with Him, I’m living now to a new principle, and that principle is the glory of the Father. I’m living in newness of life. So that’s water baptism.
    In the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Christ was the baptizer. John the Baptist said, he shall baptize you. Christ is the baptizer, the risen and descended Christ.
    The candidates for baptism, well, these were they who were gathered on the day of Pentecost.

    [21:26] But the thing is, they were actually a representative company.

    So there they were in that room on the day of Pentecost.
    These were they who were to be baptized in the element of the Holy Spirit who came and filled the room.
    So the element was the Holy Spirit. They weren’t baptized by the Holy Spirit.
    They were baptized in the Holy Spirit by the risen Christ.

    [21:51] And what that was unto was this. It was unto one body.

    [21:55] Jews and Gentiles, we read in 1 Corinthians chapter 12. So the idea is this, that on the day of Pentecost the body of Christ was formed. When you were saved in practical experience you of course were added to it, you came into the good of what happened on the day of Pentecost. Now don’t be sidetracked by charismatic teaching, it’s all over the place. The idea is not that when you get saved, you need to pray and wait in order to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    That’s not the idea. The idea is this, at the moment that you believed, you came into the good of what happened on the day of Pentecost and what happened on the day of Pentecost marked the beginning of the church age. It was then that the body of Christ was formed. So what that means is this, the church is not a continuation of Israel. The church has not, as it were, come into the spiritual benefit of all of the promises that were given to Israel, which lo and would then need to be all allegorical. So it’s not like that. On the day of Pentecost a new thing began in God’s dealings with men and he’s calling out.

    [23:23] From the nations a people for himself, by the way, a people for his son. Isn’t that.

    [23:30] Wonderful? Don’t you love to think about divine purpose, the design of God in all he’s doing. Brothers and sisters, one day there will be a people surrounding his son.

    They will be sons, that’s Romans 8, all conformed to his image, but this church will be his bride, the fullness of him that filleth all in all, his complement. Isn’t that brilliant?
    See I think of Adam and Eve. I mean that was an event wasn’t it when Adam Adam went to sleep by whatever means God used to put him to sleep and here’s the surgical procedure that was taking place.

    [24:23] And eventually Adam came round from it. That was a busy day, day six. Adam came round from it.

    Imagine, before Adam went to sleep, all he had was a bunch of animals and birds.
    And he couldn’t really speak to the parrot. You might think parrots are wonderful in speaking, but Adam really couldn’t speak to the parrot. And if he did speak to the parrot, all he might get is something back in whatever language Adam spoke, which I think was probably Hebrew.
    But and really Adam couldn’t speak to the cows because there was nothing in the cows that that he could commune with there’d be no understanding in the cows of what he said they couldn’t understand his heart he might say to a cow oh you are lovely Daisy and all Daisy might do is moo might do a lot worse but all, Daisy might do is moo there was absolutely nothing the pigs would only he oink and grunt at Adam and he went to sleep and he woke up and there she was.

    [25:25] Do you ever wonder what Adam said to Eve when he opened his eyes? I often wonder what what a moment that must have been. Did he say good morning or good afternoon or will you marry me or perhaps perhaps in the divine mind they already were. I’m not not too sure these are these are amazing things but in any the event term. The thing is that Eve was everything that Adam wasn’t and she was everything that Adam needed. So he could speak to her and she would understand him and she would speak to him and he might understand her. And they could love each other. So everything that Adam needed intellectually and for purposes of communion and companionship and of course reproduction for the race, the woman was made for the man, we know this, she was the complement of Adam, she was the fullness of Adam, so that’s taken over into Ephesians 1 and the church is the complement of him that filleth all in all. This is an amazing thing, Christ in glory is incomplete without his church.

    [26:39] I know you got a blink about that one but it’s true, Christ in glory is incomplete without His church. So what God is doing is this, He’s bringing her to His Son.

    He is really, He’s not just leaving that to the whim of fallen man either. God has purpose and design, and it will happen. Praise God it will. There will be a people.

    [27:06] So you see, it’s marked at the beginning by the baptism in the Holy Spirit, but then he’s also going to mark out in this chapter that this era in which we’re living is going to have an end.

    [27:20] So later on in the verses that we read, they’re looking steadfastly up to heaven.

    [27:28] And as they’re looking steadfastly up toward heaven, he’s taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight. Isn’t that just the most wonderful thing?

    Paul writing to Timothy says he was received up in glory. Glory was the accompaniment of his ascension. What a moment when the risen Christ ascended to glory. Listen to what’s happening. He’s leaving his witness, his testimony, the spread of his gospel in the hands of people like Peter, Thomas, those who hadn’t been able to stand by the cross and had fled? He’s leaving the spread of the gospel to Jerusalem and Samaria and to the uttermost parts of the world in the hands of failing, frail, weak, unable men, whose failure wasn’t all over yet.
    Don’t you love that? And he himself is received up in glory, and as they’re looking up, here’s the question, why stand you gazing up into heaven? He says, you men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, he says, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you’ve seen him go into heaven. Now here’s a talking point for tea time, dinner time, and whenever the next meal’s coming.

    [28:52] I think the normal line is this, that when they speak about him coming in like manner as you’ve seen him going to heaven, that because it was from the Mount of Olives, people say, well he’s coming back to the Mount of Olives, which he is, and that this is actually speaking about Christ coming in glory.

    I have to say I doubt that.
    So you see, look what it says, This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come here’s the words in like manner as you’ve seen him Go, what was the manner of his going?
    Well, if you’re reading in Luke 24 you discover this that as he was going he was blessing them, Like when he comes back to the Mount of Olives, it’s as a warrior King and he’s coming in judgment.

    [29:40] But when he ascends up here, it’s in the act of blessing them. And not only that, but when he ascended up into heaven here, he was unseen by the world. Of course, when he comes in power and glory, every eye shall see him. They also which pierced him. I have a notion, it’s only a notion, I have a notion that the eyes of every living person who has ever lived from wherever they are, will see him on that great day. Every eye shall see him when the heir of all things comes to claim his inheritance.

    But he comes as a warrior king. He’s going up now unseen by the world. He’s coming visibly, at that time. And not only that, you see, there’s a very personal element about this.
    He says, this same Jesus.

    [30:36] You know when the Lord’s speaking about coming in power and glory, it’s always third person.

    The Son of Man shall come. The Son of Man this, the Son of Man that, in relation to His coming again.
    But when it’s to do with a rapture, not a Bible word, but praise God it’s a Bible truth.
    The early believers used to say to one another, Maranatha. What a great word, Maranatha, our Lord, cometh.’ When it’s to do with the rapture, it’s all very personal. Don’t you love the words of the Lord Jesus in John 14? If I go away, I will come again. Or the language of Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4, the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout. This is personal, this is that which is close to him and here in this passage, this same Jesus. So I want to put this to you, that actually because he’s speaking about the manner of his going and coming that this actually refers to rapture. I’m putting that to you. You might have to think about it, you might take a long time to come around and agree with me, but ultimately if you think about it hard enough you just might in any event, what I’m putting to you is this, that in Acts chapter 1 he’s marking the beginning of the church age and he’s also marking the end of it.

    [31:57] Because once the Lord comes to the air and receives his people to be with himself in that personal unseen moment of great blessing no longer will the gospel of the grace of God be preached on earth and no longer will there be opportunity for people to be saved as we have been saved the Bible teaches no second chance for those who reject the gospel in this particular era. And in the meanwhile, people are still being sent. There came a day when our brother Enris and Sylvia, they heard the call of God for Albania and they obeyed.

    [32:43] You will know people who in their lives in a very definite, real and powerful way heard the call of God and they went.

    I love the old missionary stories. My favorite missionary story for those of you connected to this part, that part of the world, is a book. I’ve got an old edition thick red book called It Can Be Done.
    William Williams and the work in Venezuela. Great missionary story. If you haven’t got the book, buy it, borrow it, beg it, don’t steal it.
    That’s when you borrow a book and don’t return it. If all the books came back to me that I’ve lent out, we’d need to move all the stealing Christians in fellowship with us.
    I love the stories of people like Fred Stanley Arnott. Went over to Africa in the year 1884, landed in probably somewhere around what is now Namibia.
    For three years, went through the bush with two African helpers, unbelievers.
    Made his way ultimately right into Central Africa, taking the gospel, blazing a trail for Christ.

    [33:57] The Lord meeting his every need along the way. I love the story of Arnott’s boots.

    His boots went through and he prayed at night with the two helpers that the Lord would provide him a new pair of boots and they just laughed at him that in the bush in Africa in those days that the Lord could possibly give him a new pair of boots out the next morning there’s a lad coming the other way with a pair of boots strung around his neck with the laces which they were able to trade some cloth for. Arnott said they were the best-fitting boots he’d ever had. He heard the call and he went.

    [34:40] When you come later into Acts, Philip heard the call and went to the desert. There was one man that he had to go to.

    You know why the Lord sent him to that man?
    So that that man on his return to Africa could tell of the wonderful Saviour who bled and died for sinners on Calvary.
    Do you know if we were thinking about taking the gospel to Africa, people would form committees and they’d set up trusts and they’d do this and that. Do you know what God’s way is?
    He’ll raise a man and send him.
    He’ll meet his every need.
    He’ll give him wisdom, he’ll give him understanding, he’ll take him to where he wants him to be, and the work of God will be accomplished when done in God’s way and in response to his command.
    Acts chapter 9, not to Philip now, arise and go and he went, but to Ananias, arise and go and he went.
    I picture Ananias sitting in his house in Damascus. and go. What Lord? To him? But ultimately he went, and he went, do you know where he went?
    Round the corner. We can have romantic notions about where the Lord is sending us.
    I’m going to Africa. I’m going here. I’m going there. Maybe the Lord just wants you to go around the corner. It’s a bigger thing to obey the call of God to go around the corner as it is to obey the call of God to go to Africa or somewhere.

    [36:05] And Acts chapter 10 to Peter, arise and go. And he arose and went and what Peter was doing was this. He was speaking to Cornelius, the first fully fledged Gentile in the book of Acts to get saved. They arose and went.

    This is God at work. This is God calling, God raising, God equipping, God sending, God providing for, God Blessing!

    [36:26] What a day it will be when the story’s told in glory, of all that God has done through His servants whom He’s raised up and sent, of the gospel going to the darkest places on earth, and gospel light shining, and in places where Satan reigns supreme, it would seem.

    Souls and souls and more souls were saved, and gospel light shone out. Thrilling, isn’t it?
    So I say to you again as I sit down, as my Father has sent me, so send I you.
    Maybe this afternoon in this meeting a young man will hear the call of God or have it confirmed, But instead of pursuing everything that people pursue in this world, you say, I have heard the call.
    All of that I lay aside.
    Christ must be everything to me in what he wants me to do. Maybe some young sister in the meeting tonight, maybe older, but maybe some young sister in the meeting this afternoon, and you hear the call of God resonating in your life.

    [37:48] Will it be that you will rise up and say, Lord, all I am and all I have and all I ever hope to be is thine and thine alone. Let me have grace that thou mightest use me in all my weakness and need, to further the interests of the Christ of God and His wonderful gospel.

    May the Lord bless his word.

    39 min
  • Report (E Nase)

    Report from Albania.

    https://media.jjministry.org/Conf2022_04ENase20220917.m4a


    [0:02] It’s great to be here, especially after the lovely lunch that we had.

    To be thankful to the Lord, but even to the sisters who had prepared, and we feel thankful, about it.

    Now if you want to, the lights are dimmed, and so if you want to follow with closed eyes, I don’t have any problem.

    I fully understand that. So, we can turn to the scripture.

    1 Corinthians chapter nine, or you have the verse on the screen.

    1 Corinthians chapter nine.

    [0:50] Verse 22.

    For sake of time, we can’t read all the passage, But verse 22, Paul is writing to the Corinthians, and he said, “‘To the weak became I as weak, that I may gain the weak.

    I made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.'” I’ve made my things, Paul says, myself, all things to all men, that I may save some.

    I’m going to speak about the work of the Lord in Albania. My report is going to, you’ll see, in just three parts, some just general information about the country, some information about the assemblies there, and then our ministry and where we fit with the wider view.

    So where is Albania? in the Bible Romans 15 Paul says I went preaching from Jerusalem unto Illyricum. So that Illyricum is Albania of today is in southeast of of Europe right you are you’re here somewhere And we are just on the other side.

    So.

    [2:11] It’s just next to Greece, maybe you have heard, or Italy. It’s a small country, it’s relatively small, so this is our map. Its population is 3 million. Now, it will be 3 million Albanians speaking in Albania within our borders, but there are up to 6 or 7 million of Albanians speaking, in the region, in the Balkan region. So, there are 2 million that they speak in Kosovo.

    They speak the same language. There’ll be almost a million in Greece.

    There’ll be good numbers in Macedonia, or Republic North Macedonia now, and Montenegro as well.

    So, and the Balkan region, which is the third peninsula in Europe.

    [2:57] There’ll be, I said, up to seven million speaking Albanian.

    So the language is Albanian, religious by tradition.

    Now it’s a Muslim country, has been, we used to, or the Ottomans, Ottoman Empire came, the country used to be nominal Christian, so Catholic and Orthodox, but after five centuries, you have 70% of Islam, so it’s an Islamic country.

    And Albanian Orthodox has 20%, and then Roman Catholic, 10%.

    That’s to have a general about the demographics and religion.

    So capital Tirana approximately is a million.

    Now, as you saw on the title of my presentation, it says, Albania, new work, new challenges, new opportunities.

    [3:51] And this is a big challenge. You have a country of 3 million, a million lives in a capital.

    So a third of a country is in Tirana, the capital.

    And that is a big challenge, especially for people who have moved from north and south, east and west, who have come there.

    They’ll come from small places, small villages, obviously for a better life.

    Or they will come as students and at university in Tirana and they will stay there.

    So it’s a big challenge to them in a way. Why is that? Because when you come from your own town or from your own city, everybody knows you.

    You come in Tirana, you lose your identity.

    [4:36] And that is in a way a big challenge. But we as Christians have to get that challenge and make it as opportunity.

    When we talk of the challenges, we have to be fully aware. The challenge is a relatively new word.

    The use of it came from this land, from America.

    In Europe, people, or everywhere, people used to talk of problems.

    See, nowadays, you don’t talk anymore of problems, you talk of challenges.

    Have you ever thought what is the difference between a challenge and a problem?

    Now, a problem is there, and you say, I have a problem.

    A challenge is there, and the question that comes into your mind is, how I can get over it?

    A problem is a wall, and you say, the wall is there, I cannot move it.

    I can’t do anything, I feel helpless.

    The challenge is, how can I get the other side?

    [5:31] And as we all live our Christian lives, we have to see our problems as challenges.

    How are we gonna get on the other side?

    Now, there were three, again, three brothers, and they were going to hunt for wolves, because the fur of the, you know, the skin of the wolves is going quite expensive.

    So they went there nighttime with their guns ready to hunt for wolves.

    [6:06] The night came, they all fell asleep. And here in the middle of the night, the youngest brother woke up and woke the other.

    He says, Do you see we are circled about… there are loads of wolves around us. Keep quiet.

    But he woken up the other brother. He says, wake up, we are rich now.

    [6:32] Obviously they were hunting wolves and they got the wolves. And that’s the difference between a challenge and a problem.

    A big challenge in Tirana, a million of population there, is a crowded city, but that is a good opportunity to share the gospel.

    As they come, as I said, with no identity anymore, you are no one in Tirana, in this big city.

    You don’t have friends, you can make friends.

    And Christians are there to make them friends, to befriend them, and to invite them into gospel meetings, and to share the gospel with them. So, I go on.

    Tirana is a country of contrast. Albania is a country of contrast.

    When I think of Albania, you might think it’s a poor country.

    It is a poor country.

    It’s a country, or they call it today, like a country in development.

    It’s a poor country, but it’s a country of contrast. You hear of reports, a poor country, not everywhere is poor. Here we go, two pictures.

    First picture, you can see here, a Merc. People love massive cars out there, And then you see a public transport donkey.

    And then another picture shows a big contrast.

    Now, when I show this picture, people think that contrast is the big mama and the thin lady. No, it’s not that.

    [7:50] A contrast is, you see where these people live, and then that’s the town, the city.

    So it’s a country of contrast.

    How the assemblies have started, yes, there is always another side, that’s a beautiful north.

    That’s Sais, and that’s Tirana, and that’s our beautiful Sais again.

    So it’s a beautiful country.

    Tourism, tourism is coming over there. We have actually this year was the best ever that we had.

    So it’s a nice country.

    [8:26] Remember why I spoke of Barnabas, that he went and took Saul, right?

    So young guys, I can come and I can recruit you.

    So be aware of it.

    So, right, work of the assemblies in Albania have started in 1991.

    Nah, before that, there was nothing.

    When we say nothing, there was nothing.

    Remember, you have read in Matthew, the people which sought in darkness, they saw a great light.

    And that was Albania.

    After the Second World War, in Albania was established one of the fiercest regimes ever we saw, right?

    You have heard maybe of reports on Romania of Ceausescu or, I don’t know, Soviet Union of Stalin and persecuted church and all that.

    There is no persecution of church in Albania, because there’s no church at all.

    [9:31] For 50 years, more than one generation, the communists established a very hard core communism in the country.

    They wiped out everything that was there.

    [9:46] And the young guys, you that I see, the privilege that you have to be grown up in a Christian family, We don’t realize that. I didn’t have that. Anyway, in 1976, the government had a new constitution, and it was a specific article saying that we don’t have any religion we do not believe, and atheism is our official ideology.

    The first country in the world atheist by constitution.

    A total darkness. I’ve been raised in an average Albanian family.

    I have to come tomorrow to hear that.

    But in my childhood, I never heard the name of God.

    God didn’t exist, you go to school and all that. No, it’s all myths.

    Anyway, and that was Albania. In 1991, the light of the gospel came into my country.

    And that was this man who came from Italy.

    They were praying for Albania for so many years. Albania was such an isolated, and then democracy came, open up.

    [11:12] They came with a team of 10 people, only 10 people. They didn’t know any language, they didn’t know anything.

    And then they established themselves in Tirana, the capital.

    [11:25] When you speak of the Lord’s work in Albania, you have to speak of the Lord’s work in Italy, actually.

    Because in March of that year, there were Albanians who left Albania, went to Italy, migrating by boats.

    And then the assemblies there welcomed them, giving them shelter, shared the gospel with them.

    And then when Albania opened up in November, they came to visit the families of those immigrants and refugees that they give shelter.

    So they had open homes everywhere.

    And the testimony started slowly, slowly in the main cities in Tirana, in the center, You can see, and from Tirana, and Vlora, and from Tirana, and Skoda, from Skoda to Al-Basan.

    And this is how everything started. Remember now, you all remember the strawberries?

    Here’s some strawberries now.

    [12:22] There are today 15 assemblies and testimony. By testimony, I mean a place where they don’t break bread, it’s not assembly, but they still can have the preaching of the Gospels.

    And this is the situation today. People would start in darkness, total darkness, but they saw a great light of the Gospels.

    The Lord’s people is there. So this is our family. Actually we have the up-to-date photography.

    So this is our family. We all know now.

    Luke is 16. Luke is 16. Luke is 16.

    Luke is 16. Luke is 16. Luke is 16. Luke is 16. Luke is 16. Luke is 16.

    Oops, went too far. Benjamin and then Esther. So, as you might gather, my accent is a bit different.

    Luke is 16. Luke is 16.

    [13:08] I’m, you know, it’s similar to the Hamiltons, and that is because my wife is from Northern Ireland.

    I moved to Northern Ireland in 2004, and I stayed there for some time.

    As I said, I was involved in the assemblies in Albania, I saw them, loads of assemblies starting up and growing, and then we met with Sylvia and moved to Northern Ireland.

    When I moved to Northern Ireland, I have to say that everything is nice there.

    You know, you have a nice house, you have a nice assembly, have a nice job, and everything is nice, but the weather.

    But you can cope with it anyway.

    And as we were there, you know, trying to do our best for the kingdom and in our local assembly, a burden came to our hearts.

    Sylvia was very still, it’s a mission-minded, she has been to Zambia, to Africa more than once.

    And so we were praying, and as we were praying where the Lord wanted us, and a burden came to our hearts.

    When Nehemiah, when he was in exile, now, in exile in Babylon wasn’t like slavery in Egypt.

    [14:32] They’re well off. Daniel, civil servant, Nehemiah, civil servant, and all that.

    But there was one day when the king, emperor, asked Nehemiah, he said, why your face is sad, Nehemiah?

    And Nehemiah said.

    [14:50] How my face cannot be sad if I see my people in distress, and I see the gates of Jerusalem in ruin.

    So, and that was the burden that the Lord put in our hearts, and that is in 2008.

    And as we were praying, and I want to make a long story short, as we were praying, we shared this burden with our elders.

    And we said we feel that the Lord wants us to go back to Albania.

    And there they were more than happy to commend us to the work of the Lord.

    And that is October 2008.

    Luke was two and a half. Benjamin was just a few months old.

    And then we went back to Albania.

    And they said they were more than happy to commend us.

    Maybe they wanted to get rid of us.

    Anyway, so what is our ministry? Teaching, preaching and training ministry.

    Now a big challenge over there is everything is new.

    I’ve been to Northern Ireland and I’ve been so much encouraged by the elderly brothers and sisters.

    You see in Albania you don’t have that. You don’t have a 60 years old or 70 years old or 80 years old Christian.

    [16:11] Everything is brand new. And I remember coming back, you know, and the dual carriageway from a Bushmill Bible reading.

    And as we were flying on that dual carriageway, we overtook a brother.

    He was maybe 80, and his little car, you know, going back to Belfast.

    And it dawned on me, I said, if God has been faithful to him for so many years, the same God will be faithful to me.

    [16:42] And if he has been faithful to his God for so many years, that means I can be faithful to God, same as him.

    And as I said, it’s a big challenge to him.

    Oh, everything new.

    Why is that? Because people are not used, everything is new.

    You have to translate the hymns.

    You have to, you know, when I got saved 30 years ago, there was no Bible, there was just a New Testament.

    Everything started by scratch.

    And that, as I said, is a big challenge. You don’t have, you know, brethren that you can call them and say, Listen, what about the Ezekiel 37 and Ezekiel 38, is it?

    [17:27] No, you have to do it yourself. You have to go to the scripture and read it on your own and find it out.

    [17:35] And that is as a teaching and preaching and training ministry. So as you can see here, this is not an assembly gathering. This is on Saturday morning when we do Bible classes, when we gather the young people and others and we open the scripture and we go same as in a class or here with nurses.

    Sylvia, she is involved in a Christian clinic and what they do, they organize seminar for the nurses, you know, on a medical basis.

    But every time that they are there will be a section, one will be the preaching of the gospel.

    And that’s me there. Now, because of COVID, we have learned Zoom.

    Everybody’s learned them. Everybody has learned to go online and all that.

    So we’re developing a website, and Moodle, for those who are in education might know what Moodle is.

    And then we are trying to put a Bible lesson structured so people can go there, can learn there about the Bible, New Testament, Old Testament, and all that.

    So teaching and preaching ministry takes a lot of our time. And then publishing ministry.

    I’ve started to publish the Emmaus courses.

    [19:01] I would encourage the young guys to do them. I’ve done in 1991, 1992 from Italian, What the Bible teaches was eye-opening to me.

    [19:11] You know, and I started to do them in Albanian, translating them and printing them.

    That’s before I moved for Ireland. And then when I moved in 2008, we’re doing some outreach, but we realized that there was no many leaflets.

    So we started to do leaflets. There’s no proper bookshop. There’s just one, actually, we can go, but there’s no, a lot of materials.

    So we started to do, to write leaflets and to print them, hundreds, thousands of them.

    And now this is the latest one, as you can see, it’s COVID-19.

    Calendars, calendars, we started to do them for, it’s 15 years now, we’ve printed to the country and hundreds and thousands of them.

    As Paul says, by all means, by all means, as we give out calendars, not only in Tirana, but we give calendars to other assemblies around the country.

    There are people who are asking, and you get, because we put a phone number, We put a contact detail.

    There are people who ask questions.

    And it’s quite good to see that people read not only the calendars, because especially the latest years, we have done some more interactive calendar with a question there, with a short story or so.

    And then we started to do books.

    Now, I like books.

    [20:31] And as I like books, because I can read them in English or Italian or other language.

    And then you say, I love this, so people can have that, can read that.

    And then another thing, another question is the question of legacy.

    If the Lord does not come for a hundred years or so, nobody will be here.

    What is the legacy? we have left.

    The brother talk of a library, 1800 writings.

    [21:03] Although we have them in Albanian. So we started to do books, and slowly, slowly.

    [21:09] That is our books that we have done so far.

    And as you can see, you can, this is David Gooding’s, and this is John Lennox, Determined to Believe, and this is If You Want to Go Far, or From Now On, Ralph Charles, from assemblies in France, and so on.

    So books are a good legacy.

    And as I said, we’re trying to do the translation as a very long process.

    I don’t translate personally, I do the copy editing. So I get the material and then you go, almost paragraph for paragraph, word by word to see the accuracy of translation.

    And then after that, you read it again for a second time, full book, to see how the thought is flowing, if it makes sense in Albanian.

    And then again you print it, for a third time you read it again.

    And to see maybe grammar mistakes and so on.

    And then came the laity.

    So a part of the translation, these other processes, I do them personally.

    So publishing ministry, we have three books, Israel and the Church, a very good book, Ronde prose, he was from New Zealand, he’s with the Lord now, he’s a missionary in Italy, and it’s a very good book between, tells of the difference between Israel and the Church.

    Can we trust the Gospels?

    [22:37] It’s a very, very good book. Again, the challenge that we have there, in Albina we are like a sandwich between Islam and Atheism.

    [22:48] So, can you trust the gospels, answer to both, to Islam and to atheists as well.

    And then the later one was almost done, has to do with eschatology.

    So it’s the first book of that kind in Albania, I’m quite excited, and soon we’ll have it to print. So I have to go on.

    A Bible exhibition, I like, I love history.

    And as I love history, I want the people to know that our faith is based on historical facts.

    So, the idea of it started when I was in the book fair. I’m going to mention book fair again, but just this is a Gutenberg press replica and it works.

    You see, I’m showing them, I just printed here and just showing them John 3, 16.

    Try this, you know how you print?

    You go to file, you go to print, and you print.

    [23:49] 500 years ago, it wasn’t like now. So it was quite a complicated process.

    But anyway, so, and this became the idea of the Bible Exhibition, to show people how the Bible came.

    And again, this are some, this is a Jewish scroll, and there’s some new texts and manuscripts.

    Now, there’s nothing original or old replicas, but they work.

    So, and then we started to prepare panels, how the scripture came, and this is, the Jews in Egypt, how they’re making bricks and all that.

    [24:23] So how does it work? It’s like a small museum. Here’s my van there, and you put them, everything on a whole, a bit like that, like this one here, and then you assemble it, and here it is.

    We have almost 40, a bit more than 40 displays, and it takes you, first part is how we have the, how we had the Bible, and then the second will be a longest one, you know, from Genesis to Revelation, and it will be a lot of archeological site pictures, and actually we wrote to museum, British Museum to get some high resolution, of their material as well.

    They’re more than happy to send them to us.

    So, and what you do, you go to a place, and we hire, you hire a hall, And then you put up the exhibition and you go with the billboards, go on the local radio and you announce it.

    And then you have people coming.

    [25:22] Now, because of COVID over there, it stopped this last two years.

    We didn’t have any of that, but we plan to have soon a Bible exhibition.

    So sometimes it can be an event. If you go in a small town, it can be an event.

    The mayor will come there and they will have an opening ceremony.

    And so it’s a good way to present the gospel, to present the Bible, the scriptures, to people.

    So I was in the book fair last November, and there was a young guy who came, and he said, you know, he shook hands with me, and he said, do you remember me?

    I said, I’m sorry, I don’t know you.

    I’ve been to your Bible exhibition, and that was the first introduction, my introduction, he said, to the Bible. Now, he’s saved, he goes somewhere else, doesn’t matter, by all means, Paul says.

    [26:08] ABC Christian Clinic. Now, she’s a doctor, she’s a family doctor, she’s a GP, and then she has a license to practice in the UK, she has a license to practice in Albina. There’s a lot of bureaucracy to get that license, but anyway, so this is how they start their day. So all staff is Christians, and then they are there to serve people and to show the love of God. And they do a lot of training as well for young doctors, young nurses, and that is a great opportunity. As I mentioned before that.

    [26:40] Lot of them have come to the knowledge of truth through those seminars. We had a girl in our assembly and then as she came to one of them, she was from a nursing faculty and then she was listening and she asked the question, I never heard this, how do you get saved? And then she, got saved, baptized, and fellowshiped in our assembly. So please pray for the ABC clinic, that’s during COVID, as you can see, and that’s the star. And I have to run. What’s the children’s home in Jurocastro. Now our God is the father of the fatherless. This ministry has started more than 25 years ago by a sister commanded by the Dutch assemblies. She came in Albania.

    Whoever you are, if you are motivated to serve the Lord, brother or sister, you can be used mightily by a great God. She came on her own, commanded, the elders commanded her, they didn’t know much, you know, how she was going. Today there is a well-established ministry, 15 children, 13 at the moment, but full capacity, almost.

    And we have them, there is.

    [28:08] Let me show you, here it is, it’s a home, it’s not an institution, it’s not an orphanage. It’s a home.

    When they do homework, when they play together, it’s just a lovely environment.

    So please remember that the children’s home.

    I’m one of the trustees and I’m actively involved. I go there, visit them, not only to see the well-being of the children, but everything that has to do with legalities and with the staff and all that.

    So please remember Children’s Home in Jiricaster.

    [28:39] And then as the new outreach, the last but not the least, this is into my heart, right?

    In 2009, somebody asked me to take a youth camp, and that was in August of that year.

    And here I am, I’m here, you can see more darks here and I’m getting wet.

    Anyway, one guy got saved there and it thrilled our hearts and then I said, is there any follow-up?

    They said, no, we’ve just moved.

    We were in, you know, a year or so, we’re fellowshipping another assembly there, but this was the other side of time.

    So at the same time in November, I was at the book fair. The book fairs are a massive family event, it’s usually a third week in November.

    And the first time on that book fair, I went in 2008, we were just in the country.

    I took my son, Look, and visiting the stalls, as I said, a lot of publishing houses, they’ll bring their books and there’ll be a lot of advertisement and all that, as I said, it’s very family orientated.

    And as I was there, I noticed that every other stall

    was…

    [29:53] A Muslim stall. So I said, right, we have to do something. We have to be here.

    And then this is how it started. In November 2009, we were at that big fair.

    Here it is, giving out tracts and presenting people with the gospel literature.

    And as that developed, we said, why don’t we do something else? A kind of outreach.

    Now, people are not churchy there. If you ask somebody, do you want to come to church? No, church doesn’t mean anything to them.

    But if you tell them, do you want to come to a conference or do you want to come to a seminar?

    And I say, yes, okay, it might come. So the first seminar that we organized was, has man created God or God created man? Because that is a bottom line question.

    If God has created us, that means we are responsible, accountable to him. So this is how we started we gained a bit of momentum and the people the young guys they were coming they called themselves explore uh people are great you know are modern english there they want to speak english and everything like that they called expo they said we are here to explore and as we explore we find Christ.

    [31:14] EXPLOSION, stand for explosion also, as we have found Christ we want to affect others, that they may come to the same knowledge and that is our motto still is in and out.

    [31:33] And as i said we we gain a bit of momentum that time we started to have this kind of seminars and And from every fortnight start, almost every Saturday night, and then we’re having, preparing leaflets and people starting to come.

    And we started children’s meeting that time, the same time. And there were four couples, but two couples moved again because they got married, moved to Tirana.

    And we were having, as I said, Bible studies together, and we’re having a prayer together, When we’re having fellowship together, you see, something is missing, isn’t it?

    And then in May 2011, we said, right, in fellowship with other assemblies in the country, we said we’ll establish ourselves as a new assembly.

    We’re only four couples. Out of those four couples, we’re just left two.

    Migration is a big challenge, a huge challenge. As a small assembly we have seen couples with children left for abroad, obviously for a better life.

    Now we can’t stop that, but we are asking people to think about their dimension in eternity.

    [32:54] What is going on? How much am I investing for heaven? How much am I investing for when I’m going to be there on the other side, when I’m going to see my Lord as we read, as we sang together.

    So there’s us working as a new assembly. So there’s a tent, Sylvia and the colleagues having a medical tent there, and what is that?

    That’s a youth meeting, the teenagers actually, and then this is one of the Christmas dinners before COVID. So please pray for the new assembly. Now last year we celebrated together 10 years, we have retreats, usually happens in September, last year we had it in May. So assembly in lockdown, you are all familiar to that, that Zoom, we discovered Zoom, we never knew Zoom before March 2020 but anyway in the middle of lockdown in the middle of of COVID there are some light there. We had two couples getting married and they, whoops.

    [34:08] Here it is. And one of them, they’re taking responsibility with the youth and meeting that we have. So please pray for the for the assembly. Ten years. This is a historical picture, at least for us. One, two, three, four. These couple here, they were not baptized at that time.

    Now they’re baptized, but they migrated as well, unfortunately. And ten years after, here we are. We’re almost 30 in fellowship and we’ll have the children and teenagers and all that. Now before I close I’d like to speak of these two very dear to my heart. Now they’re, all dear to my heart and these two in special. In 2007 I was in Albania in Vlor and I was taking, some sort of Easter conference and after one of the sessions somebody came to me and he said, He said, I want to give you, I want to thank you. He said, why?

    I said, he said, I want to thank you. I said, don’t think I know you, but he said, I’ve heard you on the radio.

    Said, speaking. And because of that, he said, I got saved. He said, praise the Lord.

    Now, this guy who got saved in 207 is his cousin, okay?

    [35:24] And he shared the gospel with him. That time, he was engaged to her.

    Not interested but her.

    She started to come to the English classes and then she got saved.

    And then after that we are having a dinner with all the couples and they were married that time and then we said, why don’t you come bring your husband and he came for the first time and then later on he got saved.

    And they got baptized just three years ago.

    And then he spoke to her, who was a sister of him.

    And she got saved. You see, when she came for the very first time in our meeting, it was just Sunday morning.

    [36:15] And I said, we are not a big crowd, you know. We don’t have this kind of gathering over there.

    As she came on the Sunday morning, she thought that we were faking it.

    [36:26] Because people are so nice. People are so lovely to each other.

    And she said, oh, maybe they are faking it because I am here.

    And then after two, three months, she got saved. She got baptized just last December.

    By all means, all sense, it can be an English class, it can be a couple’s dinner, it can, be just by visiting the assembly.

    So be encouraged.

    The Lord wants us to be used and you can be used if you allow yourself to be used.

    The last verse I’d like to leave with you is this one here.

    Paul says that we may all strive together in prayers for what I will be delivered from, them who do not believe in Judea. We will be delivered from the dangers.

    There are a lot of dangers over there.

    And then that our ministry may be accepted and that we all may find ourselves in the, will of God. And that’s the most important thing.

    Wherever you are, here in the States, back in Albania, in Europe, in Ireland, everywhere, important is that you may be in the will of God.

    And that is what we want all to be. Amen.

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  • Ministry (I Jackson)

    Ministry on our Great High Priest from Ian Jackson.

    https://media.jjministry.org/Conf2022_03IJackson20220917.m4a.


    [0:01] The fifth chapter of the epistle to the Hebrews.

    And I want to read with you at verse number seven, the epistle to the Hebrews chapter five and verse seven.

    Christ, in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplication with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard, in that he feared.

    Sometimes that is rendered, he was heard for his piety.

    As we’ve been thinking, a word closely connected with that idea of godliness, a proper disposition and attitude to God, was heard in that he feared, though he were son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.”, Now some verses please in chapter 10, secondly and finally, Hebrews chapter 10.

    And reading of verse number 19.

    [1:25] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which he hath consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say his flesh, And having an high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart, in, full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.”.

    [2:09] Now the Lord has blessed us, as he always does, the reading of his word.

    It was a very difficult thing to be a first century Hebrew, a first century Jew, converted to Christ.

    And as the writer to the Hebrews is writing to them, he recognizes this.

    And he knows that there is so much against them.

    Is so much persecution, so much misunderstanding. And the great thing in the epistle to the Hebrews when you read it is to remember that these are great encouragements to those who were, in need of encouragement, they were weary, they were fainting in their mind. We read later in chapter 10, in chapter 12, and he wanted to bring them great encouragement and you could understand, it that if you were a first century Jew now converted to Christ, that maybe some in your Your family would come to you and they would say, why are you doing this?

    [3:18] What have you got? You’re following a man who was crucified, that’s the last thing that the world saw of him.

    He was crucified in weakness, they might say to you, and you follow him? Yes, we follow him.

    And in this newfound faith that you have, what do you have? Do you have a temple?

    And they would say, no, no, we don’t have one of those. We don’t have any building at all like that.

    Do you have a tabernacle? Not even a temporary structure like that, not one of them.

    [3:52] And do you have a priesthood? We have a priesthood. It was ordained by God. Do you have a priesthood?

    And they look around and they say, well, no, no, we have no distinctive priesthood. We have no people who represent us in the presence of God with distinctive clothes and a distinctive position.

    No, we don’t have that at all. And do you have any grand choirs? No, we don’t have those either.

    And do you have big orchestral music with which to worship God? And they would say, no, no, we haven’t got any of that either. And they would say, well, what have you got?

    And these believers might be just stretched to tell them exactly what they have with any advantage over what they had in Judaism. And the writer to the Hebrews, whoever he was, I think you know who he was, the trouble is you might all know differently who he was, but you know who he was. Anyway, the writer to the Hebrews, he’s going to write to them and he’s picking up his pen and his paper and he’s going to say to them, listen I want you to be encouraged because what you have is far greater than anything and everything you ever had in the days of of your Judaistic faith.

    He says, do you know something? The Son of God is greater than angels.

    [5:19] You Israelites, he say, the Israelites might well have boasted in the angels and angelic ministry, and they did. There was angelic ministry at every significant point in Israel’s history. But says, the writer to the Hebrews, I want you to know something, that it wasn’t to any of the angels that God said, thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee. And when God brings again his son into the world, it shall be to the angels that he says, this is my son, worship him.

    [5:51] I want you to know, he says, that in the world to come it won’t be angels that have the governance of that age. They are the dominating influence in this present age, but in that age to come, no, no, this will be God’s son. And those connected with him, but this will be God’s son, greater than angels in that millennial kingdom. And he says, and by the way, by the way, he was greater than Moses. Moses was a servant in God’s house. Christ is son over God’s house.

    Just bear that in mind for a little later in what I want to say to you. Christ is son over God’s house. And by the way, says the writer to the Hebrews, I want you to know he’s not only greater than angels, Israelites boasted in angels, and not only greater than Moses in whom they also boasted, because I want you to understand he’s greater than Aaron, and.

    [6:52] Not only is he greater than Aaron, but he’s also greater than Melchizedek, or by the way, he operates in a far greater tabernacle, and he’s going to say the sacrifice that Christ offered at the cross is far greater than all of those sacrifices in Old Testament times. He said, I want you to understand something, that the Savior who is your Savior and the great High Priest who is your great High Priest and the great Priest who is your great Priest, is now somewhere where angels will never be and Moses will never be and Aaron will never be and Melchizedek will never be, in a scene really nothing like the, the scenes that you have ever known in your Jewish history.

    He says he’s at God’s right hand, a place reserved uniquely, entirely, and wonderfully for the Son of God.

    Chapter one, he’s at the right hand. Chapter eight, he’s at the right hand.

    Chapter 10, he’s at the right hand, all because of a finished work.

    Chapter 12, he’s at the right hand of God because he’s walked the path of faith and he’s done it perfectly.

    This is the outcome, this is the issue, he’s at the right hand of God.

    Well, that would surely make you want to be a Christian.

    [8:16] And when the people came along and said, thank you very much, but we’re going to spoil your goods, you would take joyfully the spoiling of your goods. And if they came along and said, we’re going to take away your business enterprise, you would happily lose it for the man of Calvary.

    Now exalt it. This is what we have. We have such a savior. This is God’s son. This is who we’re connected with. And by the way, isn’t it a wonderful thing to be a Christian? And you and I living in the world in which we’re living, with so much against us, the tide of gospel testimony going out, the rise of wokeism, the rise of godlessness, the rise of secularism and atheism all around us, and the pressures it brings upon you. Just remember the greatness of the privilege and benefit of belonging to a man in glory who gave himself for you.

    [9:16] And so the writer to the Hebrews writes to them. Hebrews is not the easiest book in the New Testament, but I think this just for those of you beginning your Bible study, if you’re studying three books to begin with, you would do worse than make them Romans, that will establish you in the gospel, Ephesians that will establish you in church truth and dispensational truth, and Hebrews for the reasons I’ve just said.

    [9:49] When you come to chapter 10 of this epistle, you have three things at the beginning of the chapter that lead into the verses that we have read, and it’s not the only chapter in the bible where this happens and in this order. Firstly, the writer to the Hebrews in the first 10 verses or so, he’s going to speak about the will of God. Then the next verses down to verse 14, he’s going to speak about the work of the Son. Then in the remainder of the verses to where we began reading down to verse 18, he’s going to speak about the witness of the Spirit. You get the same by the way in Ephesians 1, you get it in 1 Peter 1, and here’s now the writer to the Hebrews, and he’s, going to speak about the will of God. He says an amazing thing. He says, you see the will of God, You see those sacrifices? In Old Testament, how many sacrifices?

    There was an article in the Believer’s Magazine about 30 years ago, or thereabouts, where somebody attempted to calculate the number of sacrifices, animal sacrifices, that might have taken place in Old Testament times. And I’m not sure how he worked it out because it seemed to me a totally impossible thing to work out, and I can’t remember what the answer was. But if I said to you zillions, you’d understand.

    [11:18] But the amazing thing, because when you’re reading in Hebrews chapter 10, it says not one of them accomplished the will of God and not one of them pleased him.

    This is the writer to the Hebrews quoting from the Psalms. He says in verse eight, “‘Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings “‘and offering for sin thou wouldest not.'”, That’s to do with the will of God, thou wouldest not.

    He says, neither hath pleasure therein.

    Isn’t that amazing?

    All of those sacrifices are not one of them, accomplishing the will of God or pleasing him, but contrary, in contrast to that, he says in verse 10, by the which will, the same will of God, he says by the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    He speaks about the will of God.

    Then you’ll speak about the work of the Son, and you’ll say, you see all those Old Testament sacrifices.

    By the way, did you ever think to yourself when you’re reading through what a dirge and a drudge it must have been to be a priest in Old Testament times?

    [12:26] Like seriously, day after day, you’re offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which cannot take away sins, says verse 11 of our chapter. Repetitively, continually, impossibly, and here Here you are standing in the priesthood and you’re doing this day after day.

    [12:53] My dear brothers and sisters, thank God for verse 12 of our chapter, that in contrast to all of those priests and in contrast to all of those sacrifices, this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins, forever sat down. The idea is this, he sat down to perpetuity.

    [13:18] And you might say, but surely he’s going to rise again because he’s coming to the air.

    He is. And he’s going to come again and praise God he’s going to sit on the throne of his glory.

    He is. But the idea in Hebrews 10 and 12 is this, that he’ll never need to rise again from where he is seated in respect of the question of sins. So it’s not that he sat down unconditionally, but he sat down forever, the great’s once for all sacrifice for sins having been accomplished, praise God, it admits of no repetition. And in the good of it all our Saviour sits today on the right hand of God from which he will never again rise in respect of the matter of sins.

    And says verse 14, that by that one offering he’s perfected forever them that are sanctified. Now bear all that please in your mind. Sorry to be cracking on at a bit of pace. I’m having an argument with the clock already.

    [14:27] Then he speaks about the witness of the Spirit, and what a wonderful witness.

    Dear child of God in the meeting today, will you grasp this and live in the good of it, will you really? Because what he’s saying is this, quoting of course from Jeremiah 31 and New Covenant matters, which I’m not going to go into just at the moment, but what he’s saying is this, there’s sins and iniquities. Well, I remember no more. I love that verse in the Bible.

    [14:57] For all of us who are saved today, and for those of you who are not saved, would you grasp this as a possibility for you, even in the conference, to come to Christ, and to know the value of this. God says, their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    Sometimes at the end of meetings, by the way it’s very interesting what people say to you at the end of meetings, when you’re shaking hands at the door. It’s a terrible experience, because you never know what people are going to say to you.

    Sometimes they’re a wonderful word, brother, and you know in your heart that it wasn’t.

    [15:40] Sometimes people think you’ve said the opposite of what you have actually said, so they go away saying, I really agree with that point that you made, and the point you were making was the very opposite and you think to yourself, am I really such a bad preacher and communicator, that that’s the case? Sometimes people just go out and say absolutely nothing. Sometimes people say to me at the end of the meeting, it doesn’t happen often, but sometimes people say to me at the end of the meeting, oh you’ve got a wonderful memory and all I always say, talk to my wife about.

    [16:09] It. Because sometimes I’m going from our house into town to the shop and so I get into town And she said to me, would you get, would you just pop in and get this and this and this?

    So I say to Sue, my wife, sure. And I get into town and there’s a bookshop in town.

    So I get waylaid in the bookshop. And suddenly my mind is filled with all sorts of other things.

    And the thing that I would most certainly not forget to get for my dear wife is still in the shop and I get home and she said, did you leave those things in the car?

    She knows full well what goes on. Did you leave those things in the car?

    No. you’ve got a terrible memory.

    You see when you come to this verse, this is nothing to do with God’s forgetting.

    This is God as judge. This is God coming to a judicial view of things and what he’s saying is this, their sins and iniquities will never again rise before me. I want you to grasp this because it’s really important for where I really want to get to. He says their sins and iniquities will I remember no more and if you’ve heard the brethren quote this and add the words forever, It’s a misquotation but it is the truth. He says their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Isn’t that something? That your sins that you might still remember.

    [17:35] Your sins that might trouble you from the past, God has said I’ll remember them no more. This is God as judge. He’s put them away from before him. We praise his name this morning that that’s the the case that God has said their sins and iniquities will I remember no more and where there is remission of these there is no more offering for sin because there’s no need for any more offering for sin. It’s a done deal, it’s done, finished, sorted, their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now it’s on the back of that that the writer to the Hebrews says having therefore.

    [18:17] Brethren. Having therefore, you know the old thing, when you see a therefore, you’ve got to see what it’s there for. Well we’ve just seen what it’s there for. So, what the writer to the Hebrews is saying is, look, look we have a great privilege in being able to enter into the very presence of God and he says the reason why we have that privilege.

    [18:40] Well he says, I want to talk to you a bit more about it, but the reason why we have that privilege is this, there was one who accomplished the will of God and by that one offering, in accordance with his will, we are perfected forever, and sanctified forever, and God remembering our sins no more forever.

    [19:03] And therefore he says, in the light of that, we have boldness, and we have boldness as we enter into the Holiest. We read about our Savior praying in Gethsemane, and our Savior was the only person ever who lived on earth with a, right to be heard. Yes, in the epistle to the Hebrews, chapter 5, he was heard in that he feared. There was a godly reverence, there was a piety in our Lord Jesus Christ. And the idea in chapter 5 is this, that because of that piety, he was heard. He did in fact have the right to be heard, which you and I do not have, apart from him. And yet now what he’s saying here in Hebrews chapter 10 is this, that we have boldness to enter into the holiest. And not only that, but he.

    [20:12] Says we come by a new and living way which Christ himself consecrated, inaugurated for us, and that new and living way is his flesh given in death, and by it we enter through the veil. Now there’s some stuff to unpack here, I really want us to understand this. I said to my wife one day, I have got two problems. She looked at me and she says, you can’t count, Ian, as wives kind of do, you know. But the point about this was this, that your two problems and mine are, number one what you do and number two what you are. But that’s fairly comprehensive. Romans speaks about this, you see in Romans we have guilt before God as sinners, that’s as a result of what we do.

    We’ve missed the mark, we’ve fallen short of his standard. We have guilt, that is legal guilt, not feelings of guilt, but legal guilt. We stand before God as guilty and the only thing that will answer for your guilt and mine is the blood of Christ. That’s why the basis of justification is not substitution, it’s propitiation.

    [21:34] So the idea is this now, that Christ by the blood that he shed on Calvary, has met the demands of the throne of God. This is a most wonderful thing.

    [21:45] The righteous demands of God’s throne have been fully met in the blood of Christ.

    He’s an infinite sacrifice of infinite worth.

    He’s paying an infinite price to satisfy the infinite demands of infinite justice.

    He did it by His blood, beloved brethren and sisters, the sacrifice that He rendered to God at the cross. We thank God for it. That’s why Romans 3 speaks about propitiation in His blood.

    The blood of sacrifice was always first for the eye of God. We saw that in passing last night.

    The blood on the doorpost was for the eye of God. When I see the blood, I will pass over you.

    The same thing is on the day of atonement. His blood sprinkled on and before the mercy seat.

    It’s blood for the eye of God. Listen, I know you’re happy that Christ died for you.

    And I know that you’re happy that Christ gave himself for the church.

    And I know that you’re happy that Christ gave himself in a special way for the nation of Israel.

    And I know that you’re glad that he gave himself a ransom for all without exception, but the first direction of the cross is Godward.

    [23:07] By that precious blood he satisfied every single demand of the throne of God, against sins. He’s the propitiation for our sins, says 1 John 2, the things that we’ve done, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Listen, I want us to grasp this again. By that precious blood, every single one of your sins and iniquities has been absolutely obliterated from before the face of God. In our gospel preaching, let us make much of that sacrifice, of that precious blood. Do not be ashamed to lift high the banner of the cross in the, preaching of the gospel, because the basis of all our blessing, and any blessing at any time, is the blood of Christ. Grasp it, believe it, love it, adore the one who shed it. Because after all, by Him, says the writer to the Hebrews, we, have boldness to enter.

    Imagine saying this to Old Testament Jews, that in time to come, all those in God’s house, We’ll find out who they are just before lunch.

    [24:35] All those in God’s house, not only are able to enter into the presence of God, but they have boldness to enter. Imagine if you were the high priest in Israel’s history, and you’re in the tabernacle now, and it’s the day of atonement. You remember that it was on that day only that he went into the presence of God. He went within the veil. The language in the Old Testament is within the veil, the language here is through the veil. He went within the veil, so the idea is this. If I was Aaron, or one of those subsequent hybrids, if I was Aaron.

    [25:16] I would stand there outside the veil with my teeth chattering and my knees knocking, for this very reason, that within the veil was God.

    Here’s the mercy seat, the lid of the ark, with cherubim beaten out, each end of the mercy seat, looking towards each other, looking down. That mercy seat was the throne of God. The New Testament speaks of it, the Old Testament speaks of it rather, as the throne of the God of the whole earth. It’s where he was, he was between the cherubim. And Aaron going into that presence God would discover this, that if he went in without the incense, if he went in without the blood, that would be no throne of mercy, no mercy seat, that would be a throne of judgment, because he was going in to the very presence of God. And would any of the other Israelites think of entering into the holiest of all in the tabernacle? Not on your life they wouldn’t.

    [26:21] It would never occur to them that they might be able to enter into the holiest of all, where God is. Praise God for this, my beloved brethren and sisters. This verse is telling me, and you this morning, that we have boldness to enter on by the way. When we enter, we enter through the veil, not a rent veil.

    Remember that bit? You know sometimes we sing that, we sing, maybe you do, the veil is rent, lo Jesus stands and all that, and sometimes it’s taught that the veil of the temple was rent from the top to the bottom in order that we might enter in. This is not true.

    God is not behind a rent veil.

    [27:10] The point about the rent veil was that God was going to come out in grace and in mercy to Gentiles. Praise God he did.

    Now the imagery here is the tabernacle, the veil standing. This is in the wilderness.

    Here’s the veil hanging in the tabernacle and just as the high priest went within the veil, So now, says the Lord, not in an earthly material tabernacle, but in that of which it spake, the very sanctuary where God is now.

    Using this imagery from the tabernacle, He says, we have boldness to enter and we enter through the veil, says verse 20.

    And why do we have boldness? We have boldness because of the blood of Jesus.

    Praise God. That blood that has dealt with everything that I have done, which was a huge hindrance to me ever entering into the presence of God.

    Grasp this. We have boldness. It means we can speak freely.

    We’re not like the Old Testament priests who came into the presence of God with remembrance of sins.

    [28:23] We now come into God’s presence, as we have done this morning and in prayer, whenever it happens.

    We come into God’s presence with this wonderful recognition that all of our sins have been forever dealt with.

    And we therefore come with boldness.

    Anyway, the other limb of this is this, not what I’ve done, but what I am. What you are.

    [28:49] The Bible, well when you read the Bible, you really realize what you are.

    [28:57] So the idea is this, that when you’re reading in Romans 5, there is a fallen head of a fallen race, that was Adam. And everything that issued from Adam, okay, is marked and characterized and governed indeed by words like this, sin, offense, death, death reigning, it’s a whole range of really awful words, of things that are true of those who came from Adam.

    [29:28] And I have a problem and you did as a sinner before God, which was this, not only what I’ve done but what I am, a sinful child of Adam’s race. So the second inhibition to me entering into the presence of God was not now what I’ve done but what I am and as a child in Adam’s race, I’m an enemy of God, I’m alienated from the life of God by sin and wicked works. You remember, you are a sinner not because of what you do but because of what you are. So that needs to be dealt with. Now listen carefully, by the blood of Christ what I have done was dealt with once and for all. Christ died for me, he gave himself for me but another thing happened at Calvary which is a wonderful thing and not often preached which is this, that when he died I died. The man that I was as a child in Adam’s race was.

    [30:30] Brought to an end in death in the death of Christ. So in other words, he died not only on my behalf and he died, this is the language of faith, not only as my substitute but he died as my representative. So when he died on my behalf or as my substitute, he went to Calvary alone, he died alone. But when he died as my representative, he took me with him.

    That’s the teaching of passages like Romans 6, Romans 5 on reconciliation.

    It’s the teaching of all the major reconciliation passages. It’s to do with his death. He’s actually entering into death and he took me with him. The man that I was in Adam was brought to an end in death, in the death of Christ, before the face of… Have you ever recognized that?

    To me, that’s one of the most liberating truths in the New Testament.

    I don’t know what the name of your polish is for your furniture here in America, but We have Mr. Sheen.

    [31:41] And see when you got saved, there wasn’t some kind of application of a spiritual Mr. Sheen, and a yellow duster. Don’t you polish up well? It’s just an old sinner underneath all of that, but you polish up well. That’s a second-rate view of salvation, let me tell you. I praise God that the man that I was in Adam was brought to an end in death, in the death of Christ. That’s why in In verse 19 it speaks of his blood in relation to my sins, but in verse 20, the new and living way which is consecrated for us is, listen, it is his flesh.

    And the idea in that when you read it in the New Testament is his flesh given in death.

    He dealt entirely with the man that I was.

    [32:30] In Adam, in his death, as in his death I died before the face of God. So what that means is this, that everything that hindered me, everything that was an obstacle for me to enter into God’s presence, has been cleared in the work of Christ. Isn’t that just tremendous?

    Nothing left undone, nothing outstanding. I have a list of things on my desk at home, outstanding. It gets longer every week. It’s terrible. I read that list sometimes I’m ashamed at what I haven’t finished.

    Praise God for this finished work. Nothing to add to it. Nothing can take from it.

    This is the work of our blessed savior. He’s cleared the way for us, not only to be saved, but now as we have done in the meeting this morning and shall do, to enter into his very presence.

    Will you grasp this?

    Look, by faith and in spirit, We come into the very presence of God.

    [33:36] In other words, that is our place of worship. So our halls, buildings in which we meet, they’re not our sanctuaries, they’re not our tabernacles, they’re not our places of worship.

    You don’t need a building for that. You can be in a forest.

    I was meeting with the believers in Ukraine and they all gathered just in the open air, in the place where we were.

    And our place of worship isn’t here, brothers and sisters, it was in Old Testament times, the place of worship was the tabernacle, the temple, but our place of worship now is this, the Father seeketh worshipers, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit. That’s, not just in the power of the Holy Spirit, but it is this, that by faith and in spirit, when we pray, when we’re engaged in worship, we enter into the very presence of God.

    [34:44] Isn’t that something? Oh, by the way, we’re not strangers there, we’re encouraged to be there because this is saying that not only have we boldness because of all of these things, but he says we have a high priest, a great priest over the house of God, and he’s great not so much because of the office he bears, that’s chapter four, but he’s great because he encourages us to enter in by faith and in spirit to, the very presence of God. It was said of the late Mr. W.W. Faraday, none of you heard him preach, he died a long time ago. It was said of the late Mr. W.W.

    Faraday that he was lying ill, he was known for his terseness. He was lying ill in bed and somebody came to see him, brother came to see him. So after a little while he said to Mr. Faraday, Mr. Faraday perhaps I’ll just pray and then I’ll go. So he begins to pray, he says, our Heavenly Father, oh stop it says Mr. Faraday.

    [36:02] He said, look, if it is that you pray in those terms, Matthew 6 teaches to pray, our Father which art in heaven, it assumes that you are on earth and there is a distance to the Father, but he says that’s not the case in the dispensation in which we live.

    He says the case in the dispensation in which we live is this, It’s not that we’re here and he is there at a distance.

    He says, by faith grasp this, that by faith and in spirit when we speak to God, we enter into his very presence.

    There is nearness because not only that, but he says, let us draw near with a true heart, not like the evil heart of unbelief earlier on, with a true heart he says, and in full assurance of faith as to our acceptance. He says, and in full assurance of faith, our hearts being sprinkled from an evil conscience, that’s the action of blood, our bodies washed with pure water, that’s another subject in itself by the way, but what he’s saying is we draw near, we don’t just enter, but we draw near. I want to ask you a question, see that privilege that we have, did you use it this morning?

    [37:20] I said it was a busy morning, I understand. We were rushed, I understand. Did you use it yesterday?

    [37:29] Is it on the agenda for tomorrow? But, brothers and sisters, there is a thing that goes with godliness hand in hand and it’s seen in the person of our blessed Saviour who was heard And in that he feared, and that is the presence of God, communion with God, sanctuary experience with God. What do you know about it?

    When the things of earth recede, alone with thee, O Master, where the light of earthly glory dies, misunderstood by all, I dare to do what thine own heart would prize.

    Shut out from friends, shut out from relatives, shut out from your phone.

    That’s a big thing. Shut out from everything that might intrude and intervene, alone in the presence of God, where you are privileged not only to be able to enter, but to enter with boldness, and not only so, but the great priest who is over the house of God, every single believer in this present era in the house of God, whoever they are, wherever they meet, every single believer in the house of God, ours is the privilege to enter.

    I want to say to you, there can be no godliness without the sanctuary.

    [38:59] There could be nothing of God-fearingness, nothing of piety, without us being often.

    [39:10] And more often and more often taking up the huge privilege that is ours in this dispensation, and may I say in no other, of entering into the very presence of God.

    You’re great to be saved! All of this, and that’s just touching the borders of the land!

    May the Lord help us to be in the good of it, for his name’s sake.

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