How to Be Okay When Nothing Is Okay by Jenny Lawson shares tips and tricks for all of life's messy bits. Jenny joins us to talk about the joys of reading, finding community, doom scrolling, empathy, expectations, Freud and more with cohost Jenna Seery.

This episode of Poured Over was hosted by Jenna Seery and mixed by Harry Liang.

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Featured Books (Episode): How to Be Okay When Nothing Is Okay: Tips and Tricks That Kept Me Alive, Happy, and Creative in Spite of Myself by Jenny Lawson Furiously Happy: A Funny Book about Horrible Things by Jenny Lawson Broken (in the best possible way) by Jenny Lawson

Featured Books (TBR Top Off) How to Be Okay When Nothing Is Okay: Tips and Tricks That Kept Me Alive, Happy, and Creative in Spite of Myself by Jenny Lawson Joyful Recollections of Trauma by Paul Scheer The Creative Act: : A Way of Being by Rick Rubin