Jobsharing And Beyond

Hi everyone, welcome to a special episode of Job sharing and Beyond! Today, instead of having a guest, I will share some of the highlights from the first 5 published episodes and additional updates & research. I am adding links to the mentioned articles etc. in the episode notes below.

Episode 1: Irenka Krone & Nina Prochazka

Go for Jobsharing.ch - State Secretariat for Migration Video about Job Sharing

Example of 2 doctors top sharing in Switzerland

Why should Short-Time Compensation Programs (aka Work Sharing - Kurzarbeit - RHT) Include some Job Sharing Elements?

Episode 2: Sara Horsfall

Collaboration with Professor Lynn Martin to increase more women in STEM.

Episode 3: Maggy Pigott CBE

Maggy Pigott's book: "How to Age Joyfully: Eight Steps to a Happier, Fuller Life"

Episode 4: Nina Strassner, LL.M.

SZ article about co-leadership at SAP (in German)

Episode 5: Dan Reed

111th Episode of Lockdown Lowdown

Links to the other mentioned articles:

NYT article: "In the Covid-19 Economy, You Can Have a Kid or a Job. You Can't Have Both."

HBR article: "3 Ways to Advance Gender Equity as We Return to the Office"

Hi everyone, welcome to a special episode of Job sharing and Beyond! Today, instead of having a guest, I will share some of the highlights from the first 5 published episodes and additional updates & research. I am adding links to the mentioned articles etc. in the episode notes below.

Episode 1: Irenka Krone & Nina Prochazka

Go for Jobsharing.ch - State Secretariat for Migration Video about Job Sharing

Example of 2 doctors top sharing in Switzerland

Why should Short-Time Compensation Programs (aka Work Sharing - Kurzarbeit - RHT) Include some Job Sharing Elements?

Episode 2: Sara Horsfall

Collaboration with Professor Lynn Martin to increase more women in STEM.

Episode 3: Maggy Pigott CBE

Maggy Pigott's book: "How to Age Joyfully: Eight Steps to a Happier, Fuller Life"

Episode 4: Nina Strassner, LL.M.

SZ article about co-leadership at SAP (in German)

Episode 5: Dan Reed

111th Episode of Lockdown Lowdown

Links to the other mentioned articles:

NYT article: "In the Covid-19 Economy, You Can Have a Kid or a Job. You Can’t Have Both."

HBR article: "3 Ways to Advance Gender Equity as We Return to the Office"

Whilst on paternity leave with his second child, Dan Reed was struggling – not with sleep deprivation but with the lack of work. He decided he couldn't be the only person who got satisfaction from their work but also placed huge importance on family. He put a video out on LinkedIn talking about the two things that were really important to him: pursuing his career, and being a dad. The response was amazing. So, on August 29th, 2019 Career Dad was born.

Dan's mission statement is pretty simple: To positively impact as many dads' lives as possible.

He set up careerdad.co.uk, which focusses on articles that talk about fatherhood; equality and gender diversity; flexible working; and, career progression. He started The Career Dad Show podcast, which is an interview-style podcast highlighting stories from individuals that resonate with other dads.

Today, he works with organisations by helping them support dads at work – which ultimately supports mums, too; helping to solve gender diversity and pay issues. He also gets asked by companies to speak to employees about being "a Career Dad" (as he has a day job, too).

How to connect with Dan:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/career-dad/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareerDadUK

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/careerdaduk/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/CareerDadUK

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqzM7urN1wWDiF0OKeEzMVQ/

Email: [email protected]

Tidbits from our conversation:

13:30 Few companies have father networks

23:19 Flexible working

26:45 Portfolio careers

31:12 Transferable skills from SAHD to teacher

Whilst on paternity leave with his second child, Dan Reed was struggling – not with sleep deprivation but with the lack of work. He decided he couldn’t be the only person who got satisfaction from their work but also placed huge importance on family. He put a video out on LinkedIn talking about the two things that were really important to him: pursuing his career, and being a dad. The response was amazing. So, on August 29th, 2019 Career Dad was born.

Dan’s mission statement is pretty simple: To positively impact as many dads’ lives as possible.

He set up careerdad.co.uk, which focusses on articles that talk about fatherhood; equality and gender diversity; flexible working; and, career progression. He started The Career Dad Show podcast, which is an interview-style podcast highlighting stories from individuals that resonate with other dads.

Today, he works with organisations by helping them support dads at work – which ultimately supports mums, too; helping to solve gender diversity and pay issues. He also gets asked by companies to speak to employees about being “a Career Dad” (as he has a day job, too).

How to connect with Dan:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/career-dad/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CareerDadUK

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/careerdaduk/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/CareerDadUK

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqzM7urN1wWDiF0OKeEzMVQ/

Email: [email protected]

Tidbits from our conversation:

13:30 Few companies have father networks

23:19 Flexible working

26:45 Portfolio careers

31:12 Transferable skills from SAHD to teacher

Nina Strassner, LL.M. is the head of diversity & inclusion at SAP Germany. Prior to SAP, Nina has been running her own law practice, specializing in labour law and also working as a mediator for 12 years. A mother of two, she is a columnist, a well-known German blogger and a published book author providing legal information as well as explanations of legal terms for parents in day-to-day situations with their children in a fun and easy to understand manner.

Ways to connect with Nina Strassner on social media:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nina-strassner-ll-m-296b53109/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DieJuramama

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diejuramama/

Things we discussed in this episode:

4:27 Nina talks about the many programs that her department is running – from gender intelligence, different generations, inclusion, family & career to SAP for you-mindfulness.

7:34 At SAP there is job sharing and co-leadership. Job sharers are so common that they are not even tracked. Co-leadership is job sharing on a management level.

11:56 Co-leadership: male/ female/ mixed leadership pairs – it can include multi-generational co-leadership as a great onboarding opportunity.

16:27 "Keep in touch" days during pregnancy leave – to ensure that the parents know what is going on at SAP business-wise. These events include parents and children.

20:00 Father network at SAP

Nina Strassner, LL.M. is the head of diversity & inclusion at SAP Germany. Prior to SAP, Nina has been running her own law practice, specializing in labour law and also working as a mediator for 12 years. A mother of two, she is a columnist, a well-known German blogger and a published book author providing legal information as well as explanations of legal terms for parents in day-to-day situations with their children in a fun and easy to understand manner.

Ways to connect with Nina Strassner on social media:

LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nina-strassner-ll-m-296b53109/

Twitter:  https://twitter.com/DieJuramama

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/diejuramama/

Things we discussed in this episode:

4:27 Nina talks about the many programs that her department is running – from gender intelligence, different generations, inclusion, family & career to SAP for you-mindfulness.

7:34 At SAP there is job sharing and co-leadership. Job sharers are so common that they are not even tracked. Co-leadership is job sharing on a management level.

11:56 Co-leadership: male/ female/ mixed leadership pairs – it can include multi-generational co-leadership as a great onboarding opportunity.

16:27 “Keep in touch” days during pregnancy leave – to ensure that the parents know what is going on at SAP business-wise. These events include parents and children.

20:00 Father network at SAP

Maggy Pigott CBE

Maggy was a pioneer of flexible working, joining the Government Legal Service, and working part-time from the early 1980s. In 1988 she was one of the first in Government, (and other sectors), to job-share and continued for 23 years, in seven jobs, including non-legal, policy, operational, and judicial appointments roles. With the same partner, Judith Killick, throughout, their last post was Joint CEO of the training organisation for the judiciary. On retiring they were thrilled to receive a CBE for their contribution to the administration of justice and for promoting, helping others, and role modelling job-sharing in the Civil Service.

Maggy continues to be a staunch advocate of the benefits of flexible working and job-sharing, including on social media and radio (for example, on BBC Woman's Hour). She also highly recommends this way of working in her 2019 book 'How to Age Joyfully: Eight Steps to a Happier, Fuller Life' which has been endorsed by health and ageing experts – and the foreword by Dame Judi Dench!

Twitter:

Age Joyfully @AgeingBetter; Maggy Pigott @MaggyPigott

Maggy's book: "How to Age Joyfully" - Amazon.ca https://amz.run/3F5l

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/maggy-pigott-cbe-frsa-86684031/

Fascinating tidbits from the conversation with Maggy:

• 9:53: Very insightful definition of the "success of the job share": People would call us the wrong names – they could not distinguish between us (even though we look very different)

• 14:14: Job sharing does not work for everyone. Key things to make it work:
  • One has to be prepared to trust the other person
  • Never unpick the other half – always move forward
  • Good communication
  • Partnership: Similar values & attitude to work
  • Commitment
  • Support by the organizational culture
  • No big ego: You share the glory and the mistakes

• 21:26: Job sharing is a very advanced form of teamwork.

• 32:50: Best evidence of the success of a job share: It happened twice when we left one of our 7 jobs, we were replaced by two full-timers.

Maggy Pigott CBE

Maggy was a pioneer of flexible working, joining the Government Legal Service, and working part-time from the early 1980s. In 1988 she was one of the first in Government, (and other sectors), to job-share and continued for 23 years, in seven jobs, including non-legal, policy, operational, and judicial appointments roles. With the same partner, Judith Killick, throughout, their last post was Joint CEO of the training organisation for the judiciary. On retiring they were thrilled to receive a CBE for their contribution to the administration of justice and for promoting, helping others, and role modelling job-sharing in the Civil Service. 

Maggy continues to be a staunch advocate of the benefits of flexible working and job-sharing, including on social media and radio (for example, on BBC Woman’s Hour). She also highly recommends this way of working in her 2019 book ‘How to Age Joyfully: Eight Steps to a Happier, Fuller Life’ which has been endorsed by health and ageing experts – and the foreword by Dame Judi Dench! 

Twitter:

Age Joyfully @AgeingBetter; Maggy Pigott @MaggyPigott

Maggy’s book: “How to Age Joyfully” - Amazon.ca https://amz.run/3F5l

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/maggy-pigott-cbe-frsa-86684031/

Fascinating tidbits from the conversation with Maggy:

• 9:53: Very insightful definition of the “success of the job share”: People would call us the wrong names – they could not distinguish between us (even though we look very different)

• 14:14: Job sharing does not work for everyone. Key things to make it work:
  • One has to be prepared to trust the other person
  • Never unpick the other half – always move forward
  • Good communication
  • Partnership: Similar values & attitude to work
  • Commitment
  • Support by the organizational culture
  • No big ego: You share the glory and the mistakes

• 21:26: Job sharing is a very advanced form of teamwork.

• 32:50: Best evidence of the success of a job share: It happened twice when we left one of our 7 jobs, we were replaced by two full-timers.

Sara Horsfall is the founder and CEO of Ginibee and has been specializing in optimizing and simplifying the creation and support of job share partnerships in the UK since 2013.

Ginibee's mission is to make job sharing more accessible and it has led to the launch of their unique retention platform in 2016.

The cloud-based SaaS solution helps organisations to retain talent and develop a more diverse talent pipeline by empowering employees to form job share partnerships.

There were so many interesting points that Sara touched on in this episode. She shared how she came to found Ginibee, how job sharing has evolved in the UK over time, and why she prefers the term "talent or knowledge partnership" over job sharing.

Sara pointed out important personality traits for job sharers, how to start a job sharing initiative in an organization and also the very interesting aspect that a talent partnership actually creates an increased energy level compared to one full-time person.

Sara also talked about Ginibee's involvement with 2020 Back2businessship - a part-time course preparing professional returners to go back into employment.

Sara Horsfall is the founder and CEO of Ginibee and has been specializing in optimizing and simplifying the creation and support of job share partnerships in the UK since 2013.

Ginibee's mission is to make job sharing more accessible and it has led to the launch of their unique retention platform in 2016. 

The cloud-based SaaS solution helps organisations to retain talent and develop a more diverse talent pipeline by empowering employees to form job share partnerships.

There were so many interesting points that Sara touched on in this episode. She shared how she came to found Ginibee, how job sharing has evolved in the UK over time, and why she prefers the term “talent or knowledge partnership” over job sharing.

Sara pointed out important personality traits for job sharers, how to start a job sharing initiative in an organization and also the very interesting aspect that a talent partnership actually creates an increased energy level compared to one full-time person.  

Sara also talked about Ginibee's involvement with 2020 Back2businessship - a part-time course preparing professional returners to go back into employment.