Joel Bardall and Todd Von Joel invite James Ray to join them and discuss being men and how their experiences in the trade relate back to masculinity, male role models and their experiences as fathers and sons. James has co-authored the book, Responsibility: Becoming The Authentic Man with award winning plumber Myles Dhillon and also runs XCC (Xtreme Charecter Challenge) a self-described MOT for men. James discusses all of this, the role of men in society, in family and friendship groups and much more