Yesterday's conversation with Mark Mitchell ran long. John wanted to keep going — not because he agrees with everything Mitchell says, but because Mitchell is challenging the status quo on the right and offering alternatives.
So they kept the cameras rolling.
Mitchell opens by explaining what happened to him.
He says Rasmussen Reports — an independent pollster that isn't supposed to take money from political parties — got involved in a polling arrangement that created new ties into Trump world. In February, he says he was told the company was raising money from a Trump-aligned PAC, and that his own name had come up as unhelpful to that fundraising because he'd been publicly critical of the administration.
What followed, in his account: his book deal with Post Hill Press pulled, and instructions by text to stay silent for three months while continuing to work there. He says he was told on a phone call that his name had come up in a meeting involving senior Trump campaign figures. These are Mitchell's own claims about his own experience.
His position now: he will never be moderated again.
He also describes what he says happens more broadly on the right — that polling doesn't make much money, so smaller right-leaning firms treat it as a loss leader while chasing lobbying contracts, and that he's seen results come out the opposite of his own on the same questions.
Then the polling, and it's the reason to watch this.
Mitchell's numbers on under-40 Trump voters are not what anyone expects. More than half say they'd support a candidate who called himself a socialist. Roughly 58% support excess wealth confiscation to fund a home-buying program for young people. About three-quarters support nationalizing major industries.
And the one that stopped John cold: 55% of under-40 conservatives said they would support giving advanced AI control of the legislative process.
Mitchell's read is that this isn't really about socialism at all. It's about systemic failure — a collapsed economic ladder, two-tiered justice, and an inability to hold bad actors accountable. His summary of what these voters actually want: a strong man. Not because they're ideological, but because they've concluded the system is broken and someone has to fix it.
He puts Gen Z unemployment in his own numbers at roughly 25%, with underemployment higher still.
His prescription is where it gets uncomfortable for both sides.
Mitchell argues Republicans need to offer working Americans something concrete — attacking monopolies, going after anti-competitive behavior, ending corporate welfare. He says he supports unions now, and jokes that the Cato Institute will take him out behind the shed for it. He cites Teddy Roosevelt as a Republican economic progressive and notes that saying so gets him called a socialist by his own side.
He also thinks Democratic socialists are insane and probably a Trojan horse for Marxism — and that most young people calling themselves socialists aren't, and are winnable. His framing: they're not the enemy, they're the opportunity.
John pushes back throughout, and the disagreements are the best part.
He tells Mitchell there's nothing moral about taking from one person to give to another, and takes it to Scripture. He talks about a community that built its own businesses, colleges, and institutions while being denied water fountains and the vote — and what he doesn't want to teach a young Black man about getting something for nothing.
Also: what Mitchell means by the unipartei, why he says the middle class is taxed harder than investors, his read on JD Vance and why he thinks the coattails aren't there, what he says about the RNC's data and messaging, and whether he actually wants Republicans to lose in 2028.
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