Jeff was joined by former State Senator John Binkley. They talk about the history of his family's tug and barge business, how that business resulted in him moving to Western Alaska, how he was elected to a rural seat as a Republican, his time in the Legislature in the 1980s, why he decided to leave the Legislature move back to Fairbanks with his family, his time on the board of the Alaska Railroad, how he was appointed to the Redistricting Board, and a discussion about the redistricting process.