"You're either at the table, or you're on the table being carved up." In today's episode, Tim sits down with John Crouch, Director of Solid Fuel Issues at the HBPA, to reflect on his lifetime of work, the things that have shaped him in his career, and what he wishes for the industry as he prepares to move on to new endeavors in retirement.

In this episode, Tim and John discuss:

• Influences in the industry that have impacted him personally and professionally over the years

• The inception of The Government Affairs Academy

• Why it is so important to advocate for the industry and the difference between regulative and legislative processes

Don't miss this chance to hear from a legend in the industry discuss his career, what he is most proud of, and what it looks like to have served well for a long time.

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