He talks about the vital support of family, and how early morning runs listening to The Jam (and his friend Pete Wishart's band Runrig) keep him going.

We cover the big challenges he faces in the NHS and education - including troubled Dundee University - as focus turns to the next year before the Scottish Parliament election.

He admits he sees all his political opponents as a threat to the SNP after nearly 20 years in power.

And as Nicola Sturgeon prepares to publish her memoirs, does John Swinney have book in him too?