The Jokermen celebrate Van Dyke Parks and Brian Wilson's collaborative release Orange Crate Art, as well as the California myth, the reclamation of the SMiLE project, the complicated relationship between art and commerce, and the medium of orange crate art itself.

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Ian raps with Julian Ehrlich and Max Kakacek of Whitney about living together as bandmates and working together as roommates, recording and producing themselves, dual breakups, The Band, "Acadian Driftwood," favorite Bob records, the Chicago scene, the depressing state of the Bears and the Bulls, basketball fandom in indie rock, "marinating" before tour, the ubiquity of pedal steel, and their lovely new record Small Talk.

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Ian chats with the great John Darnielle about the latest Mountain Goats record Through This Fire Across From Peter Balkan, cracking the concept behind the album, collaborating with members of both the Hamilton cast and The Replacements, his upcoming lyrics book, de-centering "John Darnielle" from his work, giving himself permission to look back, becoming an accidental TikTok phenomenon, writing bridges, underrated Bob Dylan records, and much more.

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The Jokermen forge on into the 90s with Brian Wilson's never-released second solo record Sweet Insanity, the final document of the Eugene Landy era.

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The Jokermen sift through the wreckage of the Beach Boys in the 1980s to identify the best songs of the decade.

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The Jokermen speak with Darian Sahanaja and Jim Laspesa of the Brian Wilson Band about the incredible tour they're on with Al Jardine, the beauty and honesty of The Beach Boys Love You, the excitement around the shows, the new generation of Beach Boys fans, the Lemon Twigs, Norbit, Andy Paley, the upcoming Love You/Adult Child box set, hunting for SMiLE bootlegs, deep-cut early Beach Boys favorites, and much more.

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