In today's podcast, we sit down with Josh Rogin to discuss the "lab-leak" theory. Rogin is a columnist for The Washington Post and the author of the book Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century.

For the last year, Rogin has been one of the most consistent and loudest voices calling for investigations into the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a laboratory in Wuhan, China, where Rogin says coronavirus may have originated. After more than a year of being dismissed as a conspiracy theory, "the lab-leak theory" has suddenly become more accepted as a possibility.

In this episode, Rogin explains why the lab theory was dismissed early on, why reporters got it wrong, how intelligence agencies ignored the possibility, and what he thinks should happen now to determine the truth. Rogin is a deeply sourced reporter who has dominated this story for more than a year. 

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