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- Just Liberty Returns on July 22 with Season 4
We're taking a little break. But we'll be back with Season 4 on July 22.
Check out Liberty Magazine at libertymagazine.org for more conversations about religious liberty.
1 min - 49: Some state adoption and foster agencies: “Christians need not apply” - with Lance Kinzer
Guest: Lance Kinzer, former Kansas State Rep, Dir. of Policy and Goverment Relations at the 1st Amendment Partnership
Show Notes:
Website for 1st Amendment Partnership. https://1stamendmentpartnership.org
Resource: Confronting Religious Discrimination: A Guide for Foster and Adoptive Parents. https://adflegal.org/support/adoption-foster-care/
33 min - 48: Is it time to shout "fire" on free speech? With Aaron Terr.
Almost every presidential administration in America's history--from John Adams to Joe Biden--has tried to push the constitutional limits when it comes to controlling or discouraging speech it dislikes. So what's different now? And why are so many free speech advocates sounding the alarm?
Guest: Aaron Terr, attorney and Director of Public Advocacy at FIRE (the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression)
Show Notes
Articles by Aaron Terr:
- "No President Gets to Decide Who Deserves a Lawyer" https://www.thefire.org/news/no-president-gets-decide-who-deserves-lawyer
- "White House Barring AP from Press Events Violates the First Amendment" https://www.thefire.org/news/white-house-barring-ap-press-events-violates-first-amendment
FIRE's Guide to Religious Liberty: https://www.thefire.org/defending-your-rights/religious-liberty
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X: @aaronterr1
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaron-terr-5a38051b9/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thefireorgInsta: https://www.instagram.com/thefireorg/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheFIREorg46 min - 47: Wading into the weeds - Catholic charter school Supreme Court case -with Todd McFarland.
Why is a church with a 150-year history of supporting church-state separation sitting out the much-debated St. Isidore charter school litigation, which implicates the First Amendment establishment clause? Answer: It's complicated.
Guest:Todd McFarland, deputy general counsel, Seventh-day Adventist world churchShow Notes:Opinion of the Oklahoma Supreme Court: https://religiousliberty.nd.edu/assets/575311/1058190300_20240625_085757_.pdfSCOTUSblog article providing background to the St. Isidore Charter School case: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/01/supreme-court-will-weigh-in-on-effort-to-found-nations-first-religious-charter-school/37 min - 46: Skeptics of church-state separation versus the historical record - with Steven Green.
How can we make sense of competing visions for the role of religion in American governance? We can start by following the paper trail left by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
Guest: Steven K. Green, Professor of Law and Director of the Center for Religion, Law & Democracy, Willamette UniversityShow Notes: New book by Steven Green, The Grand Collaboration: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and the Invention of American Religious Freedom. https://www.upress.virginia.edu/title/10018/38 min - 45: An "outsider's" perspective on Christianity and American democracy with Jonathan Rauch
What can a Jewish atheist teach us about the vital role Christianity plays in maintaining the health of the American republic?
Guest:
Jonathan Rauch, author and Brookings Institute fellow
Show Notes:
Book by Jonathan Rauch, Cross Purposes: Christianty's Broken Bargain with Democracy https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541
38 min - 44: A global trend we can't ignore. Interview with Aykan Erdemir.
History's lessons about antisemitism are fading from our collective memory. A new generation must grapple with this age-old form of hate and what it means for minorities of every kind in today's world.
Guest: Aykan Erdemir, Anti-Defamation LeagueShow Notes: "The ADL Global 100 Index results: https://www.adl.org/adl-global-100-index-antisemitismPress release giving topline data from the global survey on antisemitism: https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/46-adults-worldwide-hold-significant-antisemitic-beliefs-adl-poll-finds "36 min - 43: A final push on the teetering church-state wall? Interview with Frank Ravitch
Can the state of Oklahoma fully fund a Catholic charter school that exists to "evangelize" its students? The Supreme Court will soon say "yes" or "no" in a case that may overturn decades of church-state constitutional law.
Guest: Frank Ravitch, Professor of law and religion, Michigan State University.Aykan Erdemir, Anti-Defamation LeagueShow Notes:"SCOTUSblog article providing background to the St. Isidore Charter School case: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/01/supreme-court-will-weigh-in-on-effort-to-found-nations-first-religious-charter-school/Opinion of the Oklahoma Supreme Court: https://religiousliberty.nd.edu/assets/575311/1058190300_20240625_085757_.pdfLiberty article by Frank Ravitch on the Supreme Court's current approach to religion cases: https://www.libertymagazine.org/article/untethered "39 min - 42: Mere presidential puffery? Or constitutional crisis? with David French.
As the Trump administration redraws the boundaries of executive authority, are we merely in the midst of a constitutional "adjustment"? Or are we staring down a constitutional crisis with long term implications for civil liberties?
Guest:
David French, New York Times columnist
Show Notes:
Advisory Opinions podcast: https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/
Recent articles by David French in the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french#latest32 min - 41: Quakers, ICE, and "chilled expression" with Noah Merrill.
Houses of worship are no longer off-limits for immigration enforcement as the Trump administration pursues aggressive new policies. But some faith groups are drawing First Amendment lines and asking the courts to enforce them.
Guest:
Noah Merrill, Secretary, New England Yearly Meeting of Friends
Show Notes:
The legal complaint filed by Quakers and others against the new immigration enforcement policies: https://democracyforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Complaint.pdf
Background information to the case and preliminary injunction: https://www.friendsjournal.org/quakers-sue-immigration/ Website for the New England Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends: https://neym.org
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About Just Liberty
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Just Liberty: Where Justice and Liberty Meet
The whole idea of religious freedom in America has taken a PR hit. For some, it’s a cover for bigotry or tool for Christian nationalists; for…
others it’s the last line of defense in a society that’s becoming hostile to traditional faith.
Is there a better way to think and talk about religious freedom in America that doesn’t buy into political extremes?
Join hosts Alan Reinach, executive director of the Church-State Council, who has been litigating religious liberty cases for nearly 40 years, and Bettina Krause, editor of Liberty Magazine, which has been at the forefront of religious liberty conversations since 1906. Together, they interview experts in law, politics, and faith, and tackle tough religious freedom questions, not just from the courts but also from culture.
Listen to Just Liberty for a fresh, balanced take on religious liberty and church-state issues.
Subscribe now so you never miss an episode.
Is there a better way to think and talk about religious freedom in America that doesn’t buy into political extremes?
Join hosts Alan Reinach, executive director of the Church-State Council, who has been litigating religious liberty cases for nearly 40 years, and Bettina Krause, editor of Liberty Magazine, which has been at the forefront of religious liberty conversations since 1906. Together, they interview experts in law, politics, and faith, and tackle tough religious freedom questions, not just from the courts but also from culture.
Listen to Just Liberty for a fresh, balanced take on religious liberty and church-state issues.
Subscribe now so you never miss an episode.
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