Just Winging It

Stuff! How is it possible for these small creatures to draw in so much of it?! In their first episode, the dads find themselves navigating the stuff that carries meaning for our kids' (and our own) lives, and the stuff that weighs us all down.

FTR, after you listen: it's Janet Lansbury who hosts a parenting podcast, Unruffled. You should check it out for actual parenting advice. Angela Lansbury, on the other hand, is doing her acting thing, hoping for an Emmy after 18 snubs.

Two thirty-something dads, John Abdulla and Patrick Greene, explore poopy diapers and the meaning of life.