What to listen for:

“I don’t just pet them, I go, ‘this is why you train the way you train, remember that’”

Today, two-thirds of the Dames of Detection, Stacy Barnett and Crystal Wing, welcome back obedience trainer Petra Ford to talk about why she believes in a “you do you” approach to dog training.

When her dog Zesty dropped eye contact during their first championship run, instead of demanding compliance, Petra simply said, "You do you,” acknowledging that forcing the moment would only add pressure to an already exhausted dog. This mindset shift from control to partnership transformed what could have been a frustrated correction into a moment of trust.

Petra's approach challenges conventional wisdom at every turn. While others proof their dogs by setting them up to fail, she builds confidence by making her dogs right. When Zesty struggled with imperfect fronts just weeks before nationals, instead of drilling precision, Petra threw parties for effort. "Close enough, here's a cookie" became her mantra because she understood that confidence creates precision, not the other way around.

This path hasn't been easy. Training in isolation, facing constant scrutiny, Petra has walked the lonely road of positive reinforcement in a sport increasingly dominated by punishment. But her results speak louder than critics: three different dogs, multiple championships, all trained through partnership rather than dominance.

Petra encourages trainers to ask themselves, "Would I want to be my own teammate?" She treats her dogs as partners, not tools—reading their communication, respecting their limits, and celebrating their individuality. When the pressure mounts and 130 dogs compete for 20 spots, she doesn't add stress. Instead, she becomes her dog's safe space.

Trust, not force. Not "do it my way," but simply: "you do you."

Key Topics:

• Mental Management Under Championship Pressure (01:40)
• The "You Do You" Philosophy in Action (10:00)
• Building Confidence vs. Creating Pressure (16:31)
• Training Two Opposite Dogs Successfully (23:09)
• Walking the Path Less Traveled Alone (26:02)
• About Petra’s Podcast and Other Resources (40:14)
• Petra’s Message to the Next Generation of Dog Trainers (47:38)

Resources:

• Petra Ford on FENZI
• Petra Ford on Facebook
• Petra’s podcast, Canine Connection

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What to listen for:

"I care about my dog's emotional state, how they're feeling, and how confident they are. And I work on that a lot."

Two-thirds of the Dames of Detection, Stacy Barnett and Crystal Wing, sit down with obedience trainer Petra Ford, who unpacks the importance of seeing dogs as individuals, not assumptions!

Real progress, she says, starts when you stop correcting and start connecting.

Petra shares how letting go of labels like “nervous” transformed her relationship with her dog Zeal—and how trainers often project past experiences onto new dogs without realizing it. She encourages slowing down and objectively observing, not assuming. Each dog deserves to be seen for who they are, not who came before them.

Through her work with a neurologically atypical dog, Petra developed calming strategies rooted in deep pressure, similar to techniques used for autistic children. These evolved into arousal “thermostat” cues that help her dogs self-regulate and perform with clarity and joy.

Petra’s training is driven by curiosity and persistence. She doesn’t rely on recipes—she adapts, explores, and adjusts until the dog understands. Whether teaching a front or building confidence under ring pressure, her dogs learn through games, not grind. They don’t just perform on command—they actually want to succeed, themselves.

At the core of Petra’s philosophy is respect: for the dog’s emotional state, for their individuality, and for the bond they share. Titles may come, but the real reward is the connection.

Because in the end, as Petra reminds us, training isn’t about forcing the dog to meet our goals. The best trainers don’t mold the dog to fit the plan—they mold the plan to fit the dog.

Key Topics:

• Reframing "Nervous" Dogs and Letting Go of Labels (06:46)
• Using Deep Pressure for Emotional Regulation (14:21)
• Teaching Arousal Cues and Emotional Balance (16:58)
• Fitness, Recovery, and Mental Breaks (21:58)
• The Art of Adapting Your Training Strategy to the Dog (33:07)
• Why Listening to the Dog Matters Most (36:21)
• Creating Joy in Precision: Obedience as Play (41:10)
• Working Through Pressure, Not Against It (42:57)
• From Zero Confidence to Mental Mastery (49:45)

Resources:

• Petra Ford on FENZI
• Petra Ford on Facebook
• Jane Savoie - It's Not Just About the Ribbons: It's About Enriching Riding (and Life) with a Winning Attitude (affiliate link)

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

“You’re putting so much pressure on yourself, and that’s impacting your dog.”

Today, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing chat about what they’ve been up to lately, including their recent experience at the Muscatatuck Open, a high-level canine detection seminar known for its complex scent theory drills and immersive training.

They discuss how the seminar’s intense setups—with full-body donor work, long-term odor problems, and unique hide placements—challenged both handlers and dogs in ways that left a lasting impact.

Robin juggled certification tests and a 10-week-old Labrador while Crystal flew straight from early retirement into the dog training world’s version of a dream tour!

The Dames of Detection reflect on the Muscatatuck seminar: a high-level, all-inclusive training camp that delivered not just technically, but mentally and emotionally, as well.

Muscatatuck was a series of complex challenges—from scent voids and convergence hides to managing large source odors. It was, as one student put it, transformational.

Crystal, still raw from leaving her teaching career, shares how her pressure-sensitive dog Radish mirrored her inner state, teaching her the value of emotional regulation in handling. Stacy, working a freshly postpartum dog, found reassurance in her dog’s ability to locate a full-body aid, critical for live-find dogs deployed in unpredictable search-and-rescue scenarios.

Key Topics:

• Postpartum Puppy Drama & Emergency Care (04:36)
• General Impressions of Muscatatuck (10:15)
• Using Full Body Donors to Train Live-Find Dogs (22:30)
• Muscatatuck’s Multi-Day Scent Theory Challenges (25:34)
• Favorite “Aha” Moments from Instructors & Students (32:19)
• Competitive Searches, Training on Burned Fields, and Real-World Aids (43:43)

Resources:

• Save the Date for K9Sensus @MUTC 2026 -- May 28-Jun 1, 2026
• Suncoast Forensics
• Link to the Study about human scent
• Episodes featuring Lauryn DeGreeff
• Distraction Camp Episodes

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

Robin Greubel and Crystal Wing return with the brilliant Katylynn Sloan for part two of their conversation on the intersection between chemistry and K9 detection!

“Train with as much variety as often as you can, in the weirdest of circumstances you can possibly get to, with as many groups and as many people as you can.”

Katylynn dives into one of the most misunderstood topics in the detection world: training aids. She breaks down why the term “pseudo” is falling out of favor, replaced by “alternative training aids,” and classifies them into four types: dilution, absorption, mimic, and vigilance. Each has its pros and pitfalls. Mimics, for instance, rely on human interpretation of what’s important for a dog to smell—sometimes right, sometimes not. And vigilance aids? They’re about maintaining search behavior, not the odor itself.

Katylynn also emphasizes the importance of language. As a member of standards boards like ASB and OSAC, she helps shape definitions so handlers, trainers, and scientists are all speaking the same language in courtrooms and classrooms alike. It’s not just about what you know, but how clearly you can explain it. Her advice to aspiring canine scientists? Master problem-solving, communication, and the humility to say, “I don’t know.”

She also touches on the challenges of HRD training, the evolving definitions of “real” odor, and how even “duh” science needs to be written down. Her message to handlers? Train broadly. Generalization is key. Get variety in odors, people, places, and aids—because you never know what the real world will throw at your dog.

Dogs are really good. But they’re even better when guided by thoughtful, curious humans willing to adapt, collaborate, and learn. Katylynn’s passion isn’t just informative—it’s contagious.

Key Topics:

• Revising Standards and Defining "Real" Odor (0:59)
• Introduction to Alternative Training Aids (03:27)
• Mimics and Human Interpretation in Training Aids (07:30)
• Applying Dilution/Absorption Concepts to HRD (15:14)
• Public Comment Process and Impact on Standards (17:18)
• Skills and Traits for Aspiring K9 Scientists (22:53)
• Final Takeaways: Variety, Generalization, and Collaboration (39:52)

Resources:

• The manipulation of odor availability of training aids used in detection canine training
• AAFS Academy Standards Board
• Lindsay Waldrop's Lab

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

“The dogs are so good at what they do, it’s brain-boggling.”

Today, 2/3 of our hosts, Robin Greubel and Crystal Wing, welcome Katylynn Sloan, a chemist with the U.S. Secret Service, to explore the eye-opening intersection of science and canine detection work.

With a PhD in chemistry and years in explosives research, Katylynn brings a fresh lens to how odor behaves, how dogs detect it, and why context matters. She explains how high vapor pressure substances like nitroglycerin contaminate everything they touch, and why containment protocols must evolve.

From calibrating training aids to understanding the unexpected behavior of odor in vehicles, Katylynn stresses the importance of operational realism. Dogs, she explains, learn expectations. If training doesn’t reflect real-world scenarios—like suicide vests or buried explosives—dogs might miss critical cues. She calls for more collaborative studies in generalization, where the difference in one chemical compound might be enough for a dog to disregard an otherwise familiar substance.

Katylynn’s insights aren't just academic—they’re actionable. She champions “train how you operate,” emphasizes the need for diverse training aids, and highlights the gaps in disciplines like HRD, narcotics, and electronics detection. Most importantly, she reminds us: dogs are really good. But it’s the handlers—those who know their dog’s tail twitch or sniff shift means something—that bring science to life.

Science and scent don’t compete. They collaborate. And as Katylynn shows, better understanding leads to smarter training and safer communities. Tune in next time for part two of this fascinating conversation with Katylynn!

Key Topics:

• Katylynn Sloan’s Career Journey (0:01:25)
• Changes to the Explosive Standard (0:08:17)
• What Handlers Need to Know About Training Aids with High Vapor Pressure (0:14:15)
• Areas in K9 Detection That Warrant Further Research (0:34:15)
• “Train How You Operate” (0:50:01)
• Most Common Handler Misconceptions About How Dogs Detect Odors (0:57:50)

Resources:

• The manipulation of odor availability of training aids used in detection canine training
• AAFS Academy Standards Board
• Lindsay Waldrop's Lab

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

"To truly understand your dog, embrace the power of observation, question the environment, and engage with the nuances of their behavior."

Our hosts, Robin Greubel, Crystal Wing, and Stacy Barnett, take a deep dive into the role of critical thinking for handlers.

We’ve all been there—reading a viral dog training post and feeling an emotional gut-punch, or second-guessing ourselves after watching a training video. We need to learn to slow down, analyze, and ask better questions. Robin emphasizes watching videos without sound to assess the clarity of intent. Crystal introduces her favorite training reflection game: pause and predict. And Stacy reflects on how questioning cues—like saying “drop”—led to big lightbulb moments in her own training.

Our hosts share how truly understanding what (and why) you’re training builds better habits and stronger bonds between handler and dog. Whether it’s breaking down complex skills like a retrieve into more manageable pieces or recognizing how forward motion might unintentionally reinforce barking, it’s all about peeling back the layers.

The Dames of Detection look into how fear-based language can cloud judgment, and how to filter training advice by considering the source, the context, and your own dog’s needs. Crystal encourages following trainers with different views to stretch your thinking. Robin adds that respectful, private conversations often lead to deeper clarity than public debates.

Most importantly, critical thinking is a skill, not a fixed trait. Like any skill, it improves with practice. So whether you’re evaluating a post, adjusting a cue, or watching your dog’s body language, stay curious. Be open. Ask questions.

In the end, sharper thinking leads to stronger training, and your dog feels the difference.

Key Topics:

• “What Exactly Are You Training in This Video?” (00:00)
• Focus on the Message You’re Trying to Teach (08:55)
• What Stops Trainers from Thinking Critically? (14:46)
• The Problem with Fear-Based Training (19:14)
• What Happens to Your Dog Training Without Critical Thinking? (24:02)
• Avoid Close-Mindedness and Preconceived Notions (33:40)
• The Power of Active Listening (39:01)
• Overcoming Analysis Paralysis (45:44)
• “It Depends on the Dog.” (50:07)
• Takeaways (54:19)

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

In the third part of the series on consistency, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing dive deeper into what makes consistency such a challenge—and how to truly make it work in real life.

Staying consistent isn’t just about following a routine. It’s about self-awareness, emotion management, and breaking behaviors down into manageable slices.

The Dames of Detection get real about how emotions, fatigue, scheduling, and even peer pressure can all derail our best intentions. From setting tiny goals to using physical cues like a leash by the door or a pre-loaded treat pouch, the key theme is this: Make it easier to succeed.

Consistency doesn’t mean perfection. It means being predictable for your dog, building routines that support success, and giving yourself permission to make it messy and human. Want to be more consistent? Slice your goals thinner, check in with yourself often, and let progress, not perfection, be the aim.

Key Topics:

• Stacy, Robin, and Crystal Reflect on Their Paths to Training Consistency (00:00)
• Building Self-Awareness (06:58)
• Why Your Emotional State During Training Sessions Matters (15:19)
• Finding the Right Training Environment for Consistency (25:24)
• What Keeps Handlers from Staying Consistent (29:32)
• “Pick One Thing!” (35:28)
• Check In with Yourself (47:33)
• Takeaways (50:17)

Resources:

• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep 54: Canine Handler Fitness with Liz Joyce
• K9 Detection Collaborative Episodes 72, 73, 74 with Jens Frank
• K9 Detection Collaborative Episodes on Consistency - Part 1, Part 2
• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep 8: Dealing with Post Certification or Competition Mental Exhaustion
• RokForm Phone Cases

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

In the second part of the series on consistency, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing take a closer look at the mechanics of consistency, from creating intentional setup signals to reinforcing behaviors for longevity! You’ve probably heard about marker timing and reinforcement. Today, our hosts take a fresh look at the finer details—like how you stand, where you point your toes, and even the words you use when training your dog to shape new behaviors.

The Dames of Detection chat about how good mechanics aren’t just about doing something with your hands—it’s about reading your dog and being intentional about your own patterns so your canine partner can read you. From how you cue a start to what gear you’re wearing or how you hold your body, everything sets the stage for what your dog expects. 

Wrapping up, our hosts discuss reinforcement zones, chasing toys vs food, and how where you reward matters just as much as what you reward. The bottom line? Clean, consistent mechanics help dogs learn faster and clearer. So, before you blame the dog, check your cues—clarity starts with you! Tune in next time for part three of this series on consistency in dog training!

Key Topics:

• Why Mechanics Are Underappreciated (00:00)
• Start Signals and Setup Mechanics (03:37)
• Why Sit Down When Shaping a Behavior? (12:02)
• Choosing Your Action Words Intentionally (16:47)
• From Consistency to Reinforcement (26:52)
• “Where You Reinforce is Just as Important as What You Reinforce!” (31:05)
• “What is Making the Dog Click?” (38:38)
• Predatory Modal Action Patterns (40:34)
• Knowing When and Where NOT to Reinforce (47:05)

Resources:

• Kynotalk by Kynotec Podcast Ep 77: Jens Frank “successive approximation”
• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep 135: Consistency in Dog Training Pt 1
• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep’s 129, 130, 131 with Denise Fenzi

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

“You’re constantly writing and rewriting a contract with your dog.”

Today, our hosts Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing tackle the power of consistency, the pitfalls of “lumpy” training, and why even small slip-ups can throw your dog off track. They break down how to build a rock-solid training environment and avoid the hidden traps that sabotage progress.

“The clearer and more predictable you are, the faster your dog will learn.”

Our hosts swap real-life stories about cue associations—the good, the bad, and the hilarious. From verbal missteps to accidental signals, they reveal how tiny inconsistencies can shape (or derail) your dog’s responses. Whether you’re training a pet or a working dog, clear communication is everything.

“Inconsistent timing leads to inconsistent outcomes.”

And for the sport and search-and-rescue trainers out there, this episode digs deep into the power of precision and clarity when it comes to reinforcing behaviors. The Dames of Detection challenge quick-fix mentalities, explore discipline-specific mindsets, and make the case for mastering the mechanics that take training to the next level. Tune in next time for part two of this three-part series on consistency in dog training!

Key Topics:

• Why is Consistency Important? (00:00)
• Using Inconsistency Strategically to Highlight Contrast in Your Training (09:18)
• Different Forms of Consistency (14:05)
• “Accidental” Consistency (24:06)
• How Timing Impacts Consistency (25:58)
• Behaviors: Observe, Mark, Pause, Reward (42:00)
• Reinforcement of Mechanics Requires Precision and Clarity (48:16)

Resources:

• Decoding Trainer Lingo (image)
• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep 11: The D’s of Detection Work
• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep 134: How Do I Pick My Criteria?
• K9 Detection Collaborative Ep 133: Getting the Most Out of Virtual Coaching

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing (CB K9) can be found here!
• You can follow us for notifications of upcoming episodes, find us at k9detectioncollaborative.com

What to listen for:

Training your dog to adhere to your criteria consistently is not a cut-and-dry process. It’s one of the trickiest balancing acts in dog training: when to hold the line and when to make adjustments within behavior chains.

“Consistency is not about perfection, but predictability.”

Dog handling, whether for sport or operational detection, is both an art and a science–which means embracing flexibility and precision in equal measure. Our hosts, Robin Greubel, Stacy Barnett, and Crystal Wing outline their best strategies for deciding on your dog’s foundational behaviors according to their respective strengths, and knowing when to make tweaks as you build upon them.

“Your criteria is a conversation, not a contract.”

Our hosts break down the three keys to maintaining a complex behavior chain in various scenarios: clarity, consistency, and flexibility. By using these three as your anchor points as a handler, you’ll set yourself and your dog up for success in any scenario.

“Temporary adjustment is not the same as a permanent compromise.”

The Dames of Detection also look into tailoring techniques to individual dogs and handlers. Because a one-size-fits-all approach simply doesn't work, our hosts stress the importance of balancing fun with the need to address potential long-term behavior issues.

By understanding each dog's personality and recognizing which stimuli fail to align with their intended behaviors early on, you can quickly nip problems in the bud and reinforce behavior chains more efficiently than before!

Key Topics:

• What is Being Judged? (03:48)
• Clarity, Consistency, Flexibility (12:50)
• Deciding On Your Must-Have Behavior (18:10)
• Criteria as Conversation (30:00)
• Training Low-Drive Dogs (32:54)
• Strengthening Long Chains of Complex Behavior (37:09)
• Adapting Criteria to Your Dog’s Personality and Strengths (43:53)
• Key Takeaways (50:50)

We want to hear from you:

• Check out the K9 Detection Collaborative FB page and comment on the episode post!
• K9Sensus Detection Dog Trainer Academy
• K9Sensus Foundation can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We have a Trainer’s Group on Facebook!
• Scentsabilities Nosework is also on Facebook. Here is a Facebook group you should join!
• Crystal Wing K9 Coach can be found here at CB K9 on Facebook + Instagram and here at Evolution Working Dog Club. Also, check out her Functional Obedience Class here.
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