As Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg heads to Congress, one dogged tech reporter has some advice for Capitol Hill and the reporters who cover it: Take off the kid gloves when dealing with the Silicon Valley executive.

“He’s one of the richest people on earth. He’s an adult. He’s 30-some years old,” Kara Swisher, co-founder of Recode, said on the latest episode of the Women Rule podcast. “He can answer questions if he’s the CEO. He founded this company. Stop juvenilizing men here in Silicon Valley.”

When Rule spoke with Swisher in San Francisco, we learned a lot about how she views the tech industry, how she famously asks pointed, tough questions that make Silicon Valley executives sweat. And we also discussed what she’s learned from the startup culture that she’s applied to her own career – one that might take a political turn in the near future.

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