This week we’re in the fabulously royal St James’s Park with the wonderful historian Kate Williams. 

Kate reacts to Emily’s controversial historical crush, she reveals what goes down in the historians WhatsApp chat and then explains why we have such an enduring love for The Tudors. We also try to find out who is Kate’s favourite person in history - but it’s a tough decision! 

You can follow Kate on Instagram @Katewilliamsme

You can also listen to Queens, Kings and Dastardly Things - a brand new history podcast hosted by Kate and Robert Hartman - wherever you get your podcasts! 

Kate’s most recent book The Royal Palace: Secrets and Scandals is available now!

Follow Emily: 

Instagram - @emilyrebeccadean

X - @divine_miss_em

Walking The Dog is produced by Faye Lawrence

Music: Rich Jarman 

Artwork: Alice Ludlam

Photography: Karla Gowlett 

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