In this episode of Kind of a Mess, I sit down with Dr Martina Zangger, survivor, therapist, lecturer, and author of Not My Shame. Martina’s story begins in Switzerland, hidden behind the façade of a “perfect” family, where she endured years of abuse at the hands of her grandfather and uncle. Searching for healing and belonging, she later found herself in the cult of Rajneesh in America, a place that promised freedom but became another cage.
To fund her devotion, Martina worked in sex work in Sydney at just nineteen years old, navigating fear, survival, and unexpected solidarity with other women. Eventually, she found the courage to walk away from the cult and began the long, painful process of therapy, uncovering the truth of her past and learning to shift the shame back to where it belonged, to the perpetrators.
Today, Martina is a respected psychotherapist and lecturer who has dedicated more than 20 years to supporting women and children impacted by sexual assault and domestic violence. This conversation is raw and courageous, but also filled with hope. It’s about survival, resilience, and the discovery that love doesn’t have to be dangerous, it can be safe, respectful, and kind.
Please note: this episode discusses child sexual abuse and sexual violence. If you need support, you can contact Lifeline on 13 11 14 or 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732.
Martina’s book ‘Not my Shame’ can be purchased on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com.au/Not-My-Shame-memoir-healing/dp/1763832058
Martina can be contacted through her website
https://martinazangger.com.au/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Martina's Journey
01:44 The Call to the Commune
05:36 Entering the Cult: Expectations vs. Reality
11:36 Disillusionment and the Harsh Truth
15:36 The Catalyst for Change
19:28 Healing and Moving Forward
21:57 Surviving Trauma: The Journey Begins
24:08 The Complexity of Suicidal Thoughts
27:11 Understanding Pain and Addiction
29:03 Finding Strength Through Education
32:32 The Power of Anger and Hope
35:23 Navigating the Work of Healing
38:11 The Healing Power of Storytelling