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The rollout for Katy Perry’s seventh studio album, 143, has been a disaster. Sixteen years into her pop career, Katy’s facing a textbook struggle for a pop star more than a decade into her career: irrelevance.

By contrast, Katy’s pop peer Lady Gaga has charted a very different second act, swerving into acting and rebranding herself as an old school all-around entertainer.

On September 30, DJ Louie XIV will be joined by Los Angeles Times pop critic Mikael Wood and And Introducing podcast host Molly Mary O’Brien at Dynasty Typewriter in L.A. to discuss 143, Gaga’s reemergence with Joker: Folie à Deux and the promise of LG7 and how these two superlative millennial pop divas are navigating the awkward period of their careers between trendsetter and legacy act.