When your adult child walks away, the pain is not just the silence. It is the guilt, the shame, the judgment, and the endless replay of every moment where you wonder what you could have done differently.

In this episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream: Life with Grief and Estrangement, Chris Workman and Joe Sassman talk honestly about the guilt and shame loop that so many estranged parents live with. From the 2 AM thoughts that won’t stop, to the pressure of feeling like society has already decided you are the villain, this conversation gives language to the pain many parents are carrying quietly.

Chris and Joe discuss why estranged parents often stay silent, how shame can keep people isolated, what overcompensation can look like in parent-child relationships, and why support matters when you are trying to heal from estrangement.

This episode is not about blaming one side. It is about acknowledging that estrangement is complicated, painful, and full of nuance. Parents can make mistakes. Adult children can hurt too. And still, no one deserves to be shamed into silence.

If you are an estranged parent who has ever thought, “I must have failed,” “I should have done more,” or “Why can’t I stop replaying this?” this episode is for you.

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Timestamps

00:00 Welcome to Laugh, Cry, Scream
00:45 Why estranged parents are often blamed and shamed
02:10 The myth that every estranged parent “deserved it”
03:30 Why parents stay silent about estrangement
05:00 The guilt and shame loop begins
06:25 Joe shares the 2 AM thoughts that still show up
08:00 Chris talks about moving forward and feeling guilty for it
09:25 “Why did I even have kids?” and the pain behind that thought
10:45 The Garth Brooks lyric that explains the pain of loving anyway
12:00 Overcompensating as a parent after past mistakes
14:10 Joe shares his experience gaining custody and trying to create stability
16:45 When giving too much becomes expected
18:20 The “pros and cons” of parenting and why it is never that simple
20:00 Why kids have struggles too, even when parents are carrying adult responsibilities
22:15 How to stop the guilt loop when you cannot control the situation
23:20 Why support groups matter for estranged parents
25:00 The shame of telling people your child no longer speaks to you
26:45 Lying when people ask, “How are your kids?”
28:00 Social media, family memories, and emotional triggers
30:10 Missing grandchildren and the guilt that comes with being cut off
31:45 How estrangement changes your trust in other relationships
33:45 Guardrails, protection, and fear of being hurt again
35:00 The pain of wanting to send gifts but fearing rejection
36:30 Coping tools, support, and knowing your triggers
37:20 Final reminders, resources, and how to follow the podcast

In this deeply emotional episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream, Chris and Joe talk about the unimaginable reality of losing a child.

They share the phone calls, the final moments, the shock, the numbness, and the memories that never leave. Joe opens up about the final conversation his son had with his own child before his death, and Chris shares the heartbreaking day she lost her son after years of navigating his medical needs.

Together, they talk about the things people say after loss, especially phrases like “everything happens for a reason,” and why those words can feel so painful to a grieving parent.

This episode is not about perfect healing. It is about truth, love, grief, survival, and the reality of trying to keep going after a loss that changes everything.

Chris and Joe are not therapists. They are two parents sharing lived experience, honest conversation, and support for others walking through grief, estrangement, or loss.

For resources, support, and more, visit:
www.laughcryscream.com

Could you handle the truth if your entire foundation was a lie?

In this episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream: Life with Grief and Estrangement, hosts Chris Workman and Joe Sassman sit down with Al Isaacs, a man whose life changed with a single, accidental phone call at age 52.

As Al was navigating the heavy waters of anticipatory grief—caring for both parents as they battled dementia—a call from his mother’s oncologist dropped a bombshell: Al was adopted. Because of his parents' cognitive decline, the people who raised him could no longer give him the answers he deserved.

We dive deep into:

The Silence of the Family: How Al dealt with the "omission estrangement" of realizing his entire extended family kept this secret for five decades.

Compounded Grief: The unique pain of losing your parents and your identity at the exact same time.

Nature vs. Nurture: How Al, a comedian and drummer, discovered his birth mother was a 1960s "American Idol" style star produced by Quincy Jones.

Finding Molly: The "pinnacle" moment of finding a sister who had been searching for him for 20 years.

Al’s story is a testament to the idea that identity isn't just about who we were born to, but how we process the secrets that find us.

Connect with Al Isaacs:
📘 Book: Finding Mary Smith
🌐 Website: AlIsaacs.com

Join our Community:
If you are walking through the fire of estrangement or loss, you aren’t alone.
✨ Website: LaughCryScream.com
✨ Support Group: Wednesdays at 7:00 PM Central on Facebook/Zoom.
✨ Resources: GriefAndHealingWithChris.com

What happens when the word boundary becomes the end of the relationship instead of the beginning of a real conversation?

In this episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream, Chris Workman and Joe Sassman dig into one of the most painful realities of family estrangement: being cut off by an adult child with little to no conversation, often through language that feels scripted, sudden, and final. They talk about the labels parents hear over and over again like toxic, narcissistic, gaslighting, and boundary, and what it feels like when those words are used as a wall instead of a bridge. 

This conversation explores:

• adult child estrangement
• family boundaries
• toxic family language
• therapy and estrangement
• social media’s influence on family conflict
• grief after estrangement
• acceptance without agreement
• what parents wish their children understood before cutting contact

Chris and Joe are not speaking as therapists. They’re speaking as parents trying to survive a deeply painful, complex reality while creating space for other people walking through grief and estrangement too. 

If you are navigating estrangement, grief, emotional loss, or complicated family dynamics, this episode is for you.

Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and join the conversation below.

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00:00 Intro and opening banter
01:10 Are all boundaries automatically right?
03:05 When “this is my boundary” becomes a shutdown
05:30 Toxic, narcissistic, gaslighting: the repeated script
08:20 Therapy, timeouts, and the missing conversation
12:00 Parenting without perfection
16:15 Why nuance matters in family conflict
19:40 Social media, influence, and borrowed language
23:20 Immediate gratification and instant emotional cutoffs
26:10 What happens when parents respect the boundary
29:10 Acceptance without agreement
32:15 The grief of knowing the relationship may never be the same
35:30 Resources, support groups, and where to connect

In this episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream, we take on a question that hits hard for a lot of people living through loss:

What hurts more, grief or estrangement?

If you have experienced physical loss, estrangement, or both, you already know this is not a simple comparison. One comes with finality. The other comes with unanswered questions, rejection, silence, hope, and the pain of someone still being alive but no longer being in your life. 

In this conversation, we talk about:

• why grief and estrangement are not the same
• why “at least they’re still alive” is not always helpful
• how estrangement can leave you without closure
• the difference between physical loss and voluntary rejection
• birthdays, milestones, and what it means to still celebrate someone
• the emotional weight of being treated like the villain
• how journaling, unsent messages, and support can help

This episode is for anyone navigating family estrangement, child loss, complicated grief, or the messy middle of trying to survive something people do not fully understand.

You are not crazy.
You are not weak.
And you do not have to do this alone.

Subscribe, follow, and share this episode with someone who needs this conversation.

Resources and support:
Visit laughcryscream.com
Join the Facebook support community: Letting Go: Life After Estrangement

Chapters

00:00 Welcome back to Laugh, Cry, Scream
00:45 The sports roast begins
01:48 Grief vs. estrangement: can you even compare them?
03:10 “At least your child is still alive” and why that misses the point
05:18 Physical loss vs. voluntary rejection
07:02 Why estrangement can feel impossible to get closure from
08:32 The questions estranged parents keep asking themselves
10:18 Society treats death and estrangement very differently
12:08 From victim to villain
13:34 Does death impact estrangement too?
14:52 How Chris honors her son’s birthday and death day
16:15 What do you do on an estranged child’s birthday?
18:02 Frozen in time vs. watching life go on without you
19:28 Joe realizes he has not celebrated his daughter
21:12 Sending cards, holding space, and thinking about their day
23:06 Why this conversation matters in real time
24:05 So which hurts worse?
25:35 A reminder not to compare pain
26:28 Tools that actually help: journaling and not minimizing the hurt
27:42 Writing unsent texts can be therapeutic
29:35 Talking to your child after loss or estrangement
30:38 We are not therapists, and support matters
31:15 Website, Facebook group, and Tuesday support calls
32:20 Resources, books, and final encouragement

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What hurts more, grief or estrangement? In this episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream, we talk about why those two losses are different, why neither should be minimized, and why comparison rarely helps.

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What does it really feel like to be an estranged parent while also carrying deep grief? In the first episode of Laugh, Cry, Scream, Chris Workman and Joe Sassmen share their stories of child loss, estrangement, shame, guilt, and healing. They introduce the heart behind the podcast and share the deeply personal stories that brought them here. They talk about child loss, parental estrangement, guilt, shame, healing, and what it means to keep going when life changes you forever.
This conversation covers:
what it feels like to be an estranged parent
the grief of losing a child
how shame and self-blame can take over
the difference between boundaries and avoidance
how grief impacts the whole family
learning to give yourself grace
why honest conversations matter in healing
This is not a polished version of pain.
This is not toxic positivity.
This is real life, real grief, real estrangement, and the hard conversations most people avoid.
If you are navigating grief, estrangement, family loss, or trying to figure out how to move forward without losing yourself, you are not alone here.
Like, subscribe, and share to help us reach more people who need these conversations.
Follow along for more episodes, guest conversations, live discussions, resources, and support.

Important links: 
Our Website: www.laughcryscream.com
Estranged Parent Support Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lettingitgolifeafterestrangement

00:00 Welcome to Laugh, Cry, Scream
01:18 Why this podcast needed both a male and female perspective
03:00 Clearing up rumors and why this is not about money
04:27 The age gap jokes and setting the tone
05:38 Grief and estrangement are never one emotion
06:30 Chris shares the loss of her son
09:08 Losing both parents in 2020
11:32 Her wedding day and the turning point with estrangement
14:35 Shame, blame, and realizing you are not 100% at fault
17:12 Missing grandchildren and living with the ache
19:42 Joe shares his backstory and family history
22:06 Losing his son in a car accident
23:55 The text that changed everything with his daughter
26:40 Was it a boundary or was it avoidance?
28:02 How grief fed guilt, shame, and self-destruction
30:14 When grief and estrangement collide
32:15 Giving yourself grace after loss
33:55 Why this podcast exists
35:05 Understanding both sides of estrangement
36:30 Why tough conversations matter
37:42 Resources, Facebook group, Zooms, and where to connect
39:05 Final encouragement and closing

Something amazing is loading... A raw 20-second moment from Laugh, Cry, Scream with Chris Workman, a podcast about grief, family estrangement, emotional healing, and life after loss. This short episode speaks to the real emotions that come with grief, parent-child estrangement, broken family relationships, and the healing journey. If you are looking for grief support, estrangement support, or honest conversations about loss and emotional pain, visit www.griefandhealingwithchris.com

In this episode of Estranged and Deranged, we talk about one of the most painful layers of family estrangement: losing a relationship with your grandchildren.

This conversation goes beyond missing your adult child. We get into the unique grief grandparents carry when memories fade, milestones are missed, and a connection they helped build is suddenly cut off. We also talk about the emotional toll, the silence, the anger, the hope, and a few ways grandparents can still hold space for the grandchildren they love.

If you are walking through estrangement and grandparent loss, this episode is for you.

More resources, support, and episodes at estrangedandderanged.net

00:00 Welcome back to Estranged and Deranged
01:18 Kid comment of the week
05:10 Why this kind of loss cuts so deep
08:32 When estrangement takes your grandchildren too
12:40 The grief of missed memories and milestones
17:08 The anger, helplessness, and silence
21:36 “They’re not your kids” and why that still hurts
26:18 Grandparents’ rights and the hard truth
31:05 Ways grandparents try to cope
36:12 What this loss teaches us about family
40:22 Final thoughts and encouragement

FREE Resource: https://stan.store/griefandhealingwithchris/p/a-grieving-heart--the-grandparent-grief-toolkit

What happens when estranged parents stop begging for contact?

In this episode of the Estranged & Deranged Podcast, Candy and Chris dive into one of the hardest phases of family estrangement — the moment when parents stop chasing, begging, emailing, texting, and trying to fix the relationship.

Many estranged parents believe that if they just apologize enough, try harder, or reach out one more time, their child will come back. But what actually happens when that cycle finally stops?

Candy and Chris share the emotional reality that follows:
• the silence
• the emotional vacuum
• the grief that resurfaces
• and the surprising dignity and freedom that can follow

They also read real responses from estranged parents who shared what happened after they stopped chasing their adult children.

This episode explores self-respect, boundaries, grief, identity, and the difficult journey of rebuilding a life after estrangement.

If you're navigating estrangement, please know you are not alone.

⚠️ Reminder: We are not therapists. We are parents speaking from lived experience.

Resources & Support

🌐 Website
https://estrangedandderanged.net

💬 Join the Support Community
Search Facebook for When They Walk Away

❤️ Support the podcast on Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/cw/EstrangedandDeranged

00:00 Intro
01:05 Comment of the Week (YouTube comment reaction)
05:20 “Just apologize” criticism discussion
09:30 The reality of parenting reflection
12:10 Episode topic: What happens after begging stops
15:00 Why begging becomes a habit
18:30 The illusion of control
22:00 The emotional vacuum
25:30 Checking emails, texts, and social media
28:40 The turning point: self-respect
32:10 Real responses from estranged parents
36:45 The silence after begging stops
41:30 Emotional whiplash and grief
46:10 Finding dignity again
50:00 Rebuilding identity and life
55:00 Redirecting your energy
59:00 Practical steps to stop begging
1:03:00 Support group and resources
1:05:30 Closing thoughts

Podcast Episode 13
Family estrangement is painful, confusing, and often misunderstood. In this episode of Estranged & Deranged, we explore one of the most difficult parts of estrangement that many parents experience but rarely talk about openly: loyalty conflicts inside families.
What happens when an estranged adult child cuts off one parent but stays connected to siblings, extended family, or even the parent who wasn’t present during their upbringing? How does loyalty shift inside families when estrangement happens? And what does it feel like when everyone around you still has access to your child or grandchildren… except you?
Candi and Chris share real experiences navigating family estrangement, including stories about siblings caught in the middle, grandchildren being removed from relationships, and the emotional toll of watching family members maintain connections while you are shut out.
This episode also builds on the powerful conversation from Episode 12, where we spoke with an estranged father about his experience and how estrangement can impact fathers differently than mothers.
If you are navigating family estrangement, adult child estrangement, estranged parent relationships, or grandparent estrangement, this episode will resonate with you.
Candi and Chris speak from lived experience, not clinical expertise. They are not therapists. They are two parents sharing honest conversations about the realities of estrangement and creating a space where these stories can finally be heard.

Resources & Website
Visit our website for more resources, podcast episodes, and ways to connect:
https://www.estrangedandderanged.net
On the website you can find:
• All Estranged & Deranged podcast episodes
• Support resources for estranged parents
• Upcoming workshops and events
• Opportunities to share your story
• Ways to connect with the community

Join Our Community
If you’re looking for support from others who understand estrangement, join our Facebook community:
When They Walk Away
We host a weekly Zoom support meeting every Wednesday evening where estranged parents and grandparents can connect, share experiences, and support each other through this journey.
You are not alone in this.

Chapters
0:00 Welcome Back – Episode 13
0:45 Why This Episode Connects to Episode 12
1:40 Our Disclaimer – We’re Not Therapists
2:20 Comment of the Week (The Eyeliner Debate)
4:30 Dealing With Online Critics and Trolls
5:40 Today’s Topic: Loyalty in Family Estrangement
7:00 Candy’s Story – When an Estranged Son Reaches Out to a Sibling
10:00 Feeling Hurt When Loyalty Feels Broken
12:15 Protecting Your Heart From Information That Hurts
14:30 When Estranged Adult Children Go In and Out of Relationships
16:45 Is Estrangement Sometimes About Power and Control?
18:30 When Families Stay Connected Except to One Parent
20:30 Chris’s Story – Being Cut Off From Grandchildren
22:45 Seeing Grandkids Through Social Media
24:20 When Estranged Children Cut Off Everyone
26:00 Loyalty Conflicts Between Parents and Family Members
27:30 Why Some Estranged Children Reconnect With Absent Parents
28:40 Finding Support and Community
29:20 Final Thoughts – You Matter

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