In this episode, Shelbye and Erica discuss the complexities of finding oneself in a leadership position, particularly within a faith-based context. They explore the expectations placed on leaders, the weight of responsibility, and the challenges of being liked. The conversation delves into the importance of personal growth, discipleship, empathy, and the pressure of perfectionism that often accompanies leadership roles. They emphasize the need for accountability and the significance of confession among peers to navigate the challenges of leadership effectively.