In this insightful debrief episode, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan reflect on their interview with Cecilia Loving and Gina Leow focusing on their powerful approach to leading diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.

Without ever using buzzwords like "DEI," Cecilia in particular shared how she successfully connected with her toughest audience—members of the FDNY. Julienne and Jerome talk about the power of listening, moving beyond labels, a real world application, and storytelling in leadership.

Listen to the full podcast interview HERE

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