Leading Conversations

If your church can draw a crowd but struggles to develop leaders, you’re not alone and you’re not stuck. We sit down with church planter and author Peyton Jones to get painfully practical about the missing link behind sustainable church planting and long-term mission: mobilising everyday people to reproduce disciple makers, not just attend services. Along the way Peyton shares what he’s learning right now in his Carlsbad church plant, from meeting at noon in a beach community to building Sundays around circles, food, and real conversation. 

Peyton unpacks the core idea behind his new book Disciplogy, “the art and science of making disciples,” and why he believes many churches aim for multiplication while skipping the deeper work of mobilisation. We dig into leadership development as the true bottleneck, how Paul’s ministry shows a learning curve, and why reproduction is a clearer, more honest word for what the Great Commission requires. 

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Paul is almost as passionate about Georgia Bulldogs football as he is about reaching people with the saving message of the gospel. A church planter at heart, Paul planted Rivers Crossing Community Church in 2007. Rivers Crossing is passionate about reproducing other missional churches. He has been married to Farrah for 25 years and together they have four children: Alexandria, Ansley, Gavin, and Eli.

This episode was originally published June 30 2021.

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A search for belonging can make you fearless in all the wrong ways, and Jon Wong knows that story from the inside. Jon joins us from Vancouver, Canada, and walks us through growing up as the only Asian kid in his class, navigating third culture identity, and trying to earn a place to fit in. That hunger for acceptance spiralled into a life of drugs, dealing, arrests, and juvenile detention by the time he was sixteen, before his parents intervened and sent him to Teen Challenge. What stands out is how he describes grace: not as a slogan, but as the steady hand of God protecting him when he could not see it. 

If you want a Christian testimony that connects addiction recovery, calling, church leadership, and prayer, this conversation will stay with you. Subscribe, share this with a leader who needs it, and leave a review, then tell us: what does a healthy prayer life look like in your season?

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J.D.'s guet on this episode is Tom Mercer. Odds are, if you have worked in ministry, you have probably read at least one of Tom's many books. He gew up in a Christain homa and his father was a pastor. Tom had always thought he would go into the “family” business of ministry. However, he witnessed the mistreatment of his father by the church he was serving in, and decided he wasn’t going to be a part of that. He left seminary and joined a friends marketing firm. It was a conversation with that Christian friend that finally made him realize he needed to get back to ministry. However, his time in marketing was not wasted. God has a way to make all things work together. Tom ultimately realized that the gospel needed to be represented (marketed) well “…conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ" (Phil 1:27). The rest is history. Tom has made his life’s work encouraging Christ followers to represent the Gospel in a manner that will honor Jesus Christ and demonstrate the care and compassion God has for this world. Listen and be encouraged.

This episode was originally released November 1, 2023

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A conference leader who still loves being a Sunday greeter sounds simple until you hear what he’s carried. Harry Kelm joins us from Edmonton, Alberta to tell the story behind 37 years of pastoral ministry and his current role as executive director of the North American Baptist Conference (NAB). We start with the roots: a German-speaking immigrant church in Milwaukee, a childhood faith shaped by belonging, and the moment that “ought to” religion became a love relationship with God that still fuels his leadership today. 

From there, Harry walks us through the real path of vocational calling: Bible school that kept extending, seminary formation, and a series of ministry moves across the Midwest, the Pacific Northwest, and Canada. He shares what he learned when confidence outpaced wisdom, why some seasons taught him “maybe you shouldn’t have done that,” and how a hurting pastor and a hurting church can heal together. If you care about pastoral resilience, church revitalization, and long-term discipleship, these stories land with honesty and hope. 

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In this episode, you will hear from Luke Allen. Not only a church planter that has planted other churches out of his own, but the COO of Excel Leadership Network. You will be encouraged by his journey, and after listening, you may feel the need to head to a Cracker Barrell restaurant for a challenging conversation. 

This episode originally aired on March 21, 2022

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A teenager running drugs in Cleveland. A loaded gun in his pocket at church. A home invasion charge that could have meant decades behind bars. Patrick Davis’s story doesn’t soften the details, and that’s exactly why it lands so hard. We talk with Patrick about growing up without faith, without a father figure, and with the constant shame of poverty and public humiliation. He walks us through how that pain turned into anger, arrests, and a life that looked headed for one ending. 

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Patrick's Website: www.patrickldavis.com 

Patrick's Book: https://a.co/d/0iGAYNAU

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Larry Osborne is a pastor, author, mentor, and leadership consultant. He pioneered several concepts that shape our modern church today, teaching teams, multisite churches, and sermon-based small groups. Larry shares his own journey and how his family and their support shaped his faith. You will be encouraged by his story.

This episode originally aired August 15, 2022

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Faith gets real when the plan stops working. We sit down with Chris and Shelly from Dayton to trace a path that starts in youth ministry, runs through bold church-plant dreams, and lands in the tough middle: excellent services, strong systems, packed community events, and a stubborn attendance ceiling near seventy. What keeps them going isn’t hype. It’s a record of specific prayers answered with uncanny precision—like a flat tire that led to a dark green Durango with black leather, arriving exactly when they asked. Their stories aren’t props; they’re a blueprint for how leaders can ask clearly, wait honestly, and move only when God says move.

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Ralph Moore has been tied to more church plants than anyone in North America.  He planted churches in Southern California and Hawaii and has a family tree that includes over 2300 churches!  Ralph lives in San Diego with his wife, Ruby.  He coaches and advises church planters and serves as a church planting catalyst for Exponential.

This podcast was originally posted February 27, 2021 

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