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Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

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Diana
https://hachyderm.io/@diana
https://bsky.app/profile/mentrix.bsky.social
https://x.com/dianamontalion
https://github.com/dianamontalion
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianamontalion
https://blog.montalion.com
https://learningsystemsthinking.com

Charles
https://twitter.com/charleshumble
https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble
https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com

Links
https://xkcd.com/386

DESCRIPTION
Diana Montalion and Charles Humble explore the complexities of systems thinking particularly in tech environments resistant to change. Diana shares insights on the frustrations of introducing new ideas in hierarchical organizations, where power dynamics and skepticism often block innovation.

They discuss the importance of patience, community support, and accepting that recognition may not come when challenging ingrained structures. Diana also reflects on the personal growth she experienced while writing her book, including navigating her ADHD diagnosis and learning to embrace uncertainty. Together, they highlight the need for resilience and collaboration in drivi

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