My guest this week is Dave Obrand, a fellow attorney and Deputy County Counsel out of Orange County. 

What attracted me to Dave was not simply the work he does helping to reunite families, but the story of his OWN family and the power to grow through grief. 

While not giving away the entire episode, after graduating from law school, Dave’s life took a very sudden and very unexpected turn when his father fell ill. 

The conversation this week was free-wheeling, but in the end I found it to be a meditation on the power of mentorship, both the intentional and the unknown. 

We also discuss the reasons Dave was drawn to public service, what advice he’d give to young lawyers, and why the best leaders never say, “do this FOR me,” but instead ask, “how do WE do this?”

Enjoy the show.

SHOWNOTES:

Dave Obrand for California State Assembly