Episode 249-Anti 2A Reversing Course?
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Gun Lawyer — Episode 249 Transcript
Gun laws, Second Amendment, felons’ rights, rights restoration, anti-gun movement, racial disparity,
knife rights, Delaware switchblade ban, illegal alien police officer, Maine gun laws, UK knife laws, self-
defense, compliance letter, gun ownership, New Jersey gun law.
Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2
And welcome to Gun Lawyer. Hey, Teddy, did you catch The Trace? Now, you know The Trace is, of
course, the mouthpiece for the anti-Second Amendment. Let’s just call them suppressionists. The rights
We can just call them what they are, which is a bunch of closeted hoplosexuals.
Well, they are. And the thing is, The Trace is, of course, where we do opposition research. You’ve
always got to see what’s going on with them. But I have to admit, they actually surprised me with one of
their latest articles. This is from The Trace, and it says allowing people with felony convictions to seek
to have their rights restored may, in fact, help with the enforcement of gun laws.
(https://www.thetrace.org/2025/07/gun-rights-felony-laws-trump-doj-bruen/) In other words, they are
now putting out that, essentially, President Trump’s efforts to restore the Relief From Disabilities, which
has been unavailable for 33 years now for good people to get their rights back, you know, that they are
now taking a position, apparently, at least putting it out there, the idea that this might actually help
enforce and protect gun laws. Now, how can that be? How can they now be quasi in favor of rights
restoration? It’s an interesting article, although it does contain a coverup in the article, and I want to get
Page – 1 – of 15Teddy Nappen 02:16
If I were to guess, without even reading the article, just to go off a guess. This is them trying to, from I
believe it was the previous article where they were fully aware of the racist history of gun laws. So, now
they’re trying to cover themselves.
Au contraire. They do not admit to gun laws being racist. They haven’t so far.
They haven’t gone that far, because that would be a legitimate basis for them to maybe even have an
That would require common sense.
There is virtually a six to one conviction race ratio of blacks to whites, Teddy. But they didn’t do that.
That would be too much. No, no. Yeah. What they’re saying is that, you know, they’re in fear of the
impact of the trifecta of the Supreme Court cases – Heller, McDonald and Bruen. And as these
challenges to the gun laws are more and more successful, they’re in fear that going after the prohibition
of felons having guns, where you have an absolute prohibitor, of which the ability to get your rights
restored under federal law had been precluded for these 33 years, thanks to Charles Schumer in 1992
who defunded the program, even though the law has still been on the books, but no one can take
advantage of it. They realize that, hey, that’s actually making them potentially vulnerable to having the
law completely overturned. So, they’re now taking a, you know, somewhat here, putting out the position
that this could actually be beneficial to saving a gun prohibition.
But the gun prohibition they’re looking to save is that of felons not having guns. And what’s interesting
about that is there are some folks in even the pro-Second Amendment rights community that don’t want
felons to have guns because they are not aware of, in effect, the incredible broad stroke of when you
just stop all felons from having guns. There are many felons that are non-violent felons, that were one-
time offenders, that have proven themselves to be good people, law-abiding citizens that aren’t violent,
that are no way a danger, and they’re still precluded from their rights. And there is that horrible disparity
between whites and blacks that needs to be addressed. And remember, with that kind of prohibition
going on with gun possession, it’s not just the ability for individuals to have guns, but it’s for those
Page – 2 – of 15people being denied this right to also work in professions where firearm possession is required, like
police work or military, etc. So, you not only get precluded from being able to defend yourself, from
being able to exercise your Second Amendment right for your pure enjoyment or to go hunting, but also
to get better jobs. And so that would be great, but they don’t talk about that.
Instead, they talk about how this may, in fact, have the ability to protect it. But of course, they don’t
want the relief from disabilities mechanism to be too broad. They don’t want it to be, you know, too
many people getting their rights back. God forbid. They want to make it as small as possible putting
forward these concerns. And they also don’t like that. They don’t think that enough money is being
charged for individuals to get their rights back, and that, of course, again, raises a disproportionate for
those that are less financially able to get their rights back, which often includes more minorities than
not. And again, they’re all for that, you see. No, no. We’ve got to make it, keep it expensive. Keep it
expensive. But the thing that really makes me laugh is the coverup in this where they discuss, how this
ever, how did this, you know, take place. How did this happen? This funding limitation of Schumer. So,
I have an idea. Oh, it’s because they’re getting so offended that people are being called “felons” that
they want to shift over to “incarcerated persons”. They don’t want to offend anybody.
No, no. It is very much in their playbook. But this is actually, here’s what they say. And let’s take a little
deeper dive into what they’re saying. They say in the article, how does this proposal get around the
funding limitations? Because remember, it was (Senator Charles) Schumer who banned it, and they
don’t mention Schumer and the Democrats being the culprit of stopping rights restoration. They don’t
happen to mention that little fact, but we’re going to mention it. Then they ask, well, how does this
work? And they say, well, Congress just stopped ATF from spending money on this. Oh, is that all?
Congress just said one day, hey, let’s just stop funding relief from disabilities. No, it took Democrats
headed by Schumer to stop this. But, you know, the Republicans failed to keep the funding. I will say
that. But it isn’t like Congress just stopped it. But no, no. That’s how they want to portray it. Congress
just stopped it, and it didn’t stop any other part of the Justice Department.
What they’re saying here is that now Trump, you know, is now allowing the funding by having it done
through a different part of the Department of Justice, which is true. But let’s really look at why the
funding stopped. And what makes me laugh about it is the reason the funding stopped. It was a specific
effort by the anti 2A oppressionists to do this. So, let’s not forget history. Let’s take a little stroll back as
to why rights restoration that they now see as a potential to even preserve certain gun control laws that
they like. How did the funding end? It ended, essentially, with great efforts expended by the
suppressionists, and you can see this for yourself. There’s a book by Josh Sugarmann. And look at
that. It came out in 1992. Oh, right when Schumer ended the funding. And what is the book? You can
go and look it up on the online books page. It’s called, “Putting Guns Back Into Criminals’ Hands: 100
Case Studies of Felons Granted Relief From Disability Under Federal Firearms Laws”. Oh, Josh
Page – 3 – of 15Sugarmann. You know who Josh Sugarmann is? He’s the head of the Violence Policy Center. The VPC
is the original gun rights suppression organization.
The VPC essentially has been largely, you know, surpassed in its influence now by things like, you
know, Bloomturd and The Trace and Giffords and all that. However, you can go right online to the so-
called archive series of the Violence Policy Center, and you can download their piece of propaganda
called, “Guns For Felons: How the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals”. “Enforcement” – The NRA Way.
Guns for felons: brought to you by the NRA. And it’s the VPC. And what do they do? This study was
written by Kristen Rand, Josh Sugarmann, and Caroline Leedy, and their introduction says it all. The
NRA claims that it supports vigorous enforcement of our nation’s gun laws and efforts to keep guns out
of the hands of criminals. Yet the NRA has actually worked to put guns back into criminals’ hands. Oh
my, what is The Trace talking about? Are they now working or on the side of putting guns back in
criminals’ hands? Like they stopped for 33 years with the gun rights suppression movement? No, it’s
just that Congress stopped it. Congress just stopped it. No. Congress didn’t just stop it. It was the anti-
rights lobby that stopped it, and it has been a terrible injustice against minorities. It has been a terrible
injustice against American citizens in regaining their rights, and now they suddenly see it as a way to
salvage gun control laws. And I’ll tell you what, it goes even deeper. Yeah, well, Teddy, it goes even
I will say, just kind of thinking on this. You and I kind of read. We catch and read articles from The
Trace. I would love to meet one of these people from The Trace. Just to have a conversation and
actually ask them like, guys, do realize what you’re pushing for? The hypocrisy is staggering.
They don’t care. They don’t care. Teddy, they banned logic in 1968, man. They don’t care.
But I hear you. Maybe we can make them explode, like the computer on Star Trek with just the logic
Well, I know, but it’s a.
Yeah, yeah. Well, it doesn’t just end there. You can actually go to the U.S. Department of Justice right
now, the Office of Justice Programs, where they have a virtual library, the NCJRS Virtual Library, which
houses over 235,000 criminal justice resources. And right there is the article, “Guns for Felons: How
the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals”. (https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/putting-guns-
back-criminals-hands-100-case-studies-felons-granted) So, our own Justice department keeps alive the
Page – 4 – of 15very propaganda piece that this now discusses. So, it’s there. The history is there. It isn’t just that
“Congress stopped it”. It was done by their efforts. So, when we all fight for our rights, this is what we’re
fighting. We’re fighting for our Second Amendment rights and the oppressionists are there to try to stop
it. To propagandize, to say, you know, NRA is rearming criminals and blow it out of proportion. And
now, when reality has sunk in, after 33 years, and when President Trump and the DOJ is finally taking
action to put this program back that has been on the books as law. The law wasn’t ever repealed, just
the funding. So that nobody’s application could be processed. That’s where you see the truth emerging,
and them trying to run for cover. Trying to erase history, but we can’t let it be forgotten that the problem
Now, I want Josh Sugarmann to put out a new book, “100 cases that Donald Trump has helped restore
Hopefully, it’ll be hundreds of thousands that get their rights back. It’s long overdue, long overdue. And,
you know, to just wipe out a Constitutional right like that. Imagine if we said felons have no right to free
speech or felons have no right to the religion of their choice. Well, these are all our Constitutional rights.
Yet, somehow for felons, that’s fine. You know, that’s what we do. And this whole expansion on felons
is a disgusting abuse, and it’s abused. It’s abused to just become another tool of gun rights
Hey, I do have some good news that I want to quickly mention, and that is on knife rights. Because
remember, it’s not just the right to keep and bear arms, Teddy. I mean the right to keep and bear guns.
It’s the right to keep and bear arms. And you and I both are fans of knives. We love our edged weapons
as well, and I think we’re going to talk more about that. You were telling me something very interesting
about that, and we should talk about later. But what I want to mention here. Did you know that
Delaware now has repealed their ban on switchblade knives? That’s right. Delaware has joined the
knife liberty movement, thanks to Knife Rights. (KnifeRights.org) This movement, which I was an
essential part of, helped make it happen, in effect, helping to start it with knife rights in 2010 in New
Hampshire. Now we have yet another state, which is Delaware, that has repealed their knife laws.
Since we started in New Hampshire, Knife Rights has gotten 21 states to repeal their bans on
switchblades and knives. The knife liberty movement is alive and well, and now we have yet another
state, Delaware, who has enacted knife reform. So, that is really great. And you know, Knife Rights is
just a great group. Since 2010, there’s been 57 bills and court decisions with Knife Rights working hard
on all these. Repealing knife bans and protecting knife owners in 36 states and over 200 cities. Of
course, New Jersey is going to be one of the last ones to fall, but I’m confident that it will, in fact, fall.
We’re working on it, and we’re also working on repealing the FSA, the Federal Switchblade Act. We’re
working on getting full knife liberty as well as firearms, and that’s important. That all our rights and all
these things get protected, of course. So, that is good, good news.
Page – 5 – of 15Evan Nappen 18:16
But you know, Teddy, there’s something really that’s just back to the felons in possession that I just
want to mention. I wanted to mention to you. I don’t know if you heard about what happened in Maine.
You know, Maine is off the wall when it comes to their protection of illegals, their protection of men in
women’s sports and all this kind of crazy stuff. And you’d think, Maine, you know, of all the places. Well,
this ain’t Maine, like why Maine? Well, Maine, unfortunately, has political issues with the looney left
exerting itself. Well, Maine actually made, in this town in Maine, they made an illegal alien, a Jamaican
illegal alien, was allowed to become a police officer. (https://notthebee.com/article/ice-arrests-illegal-
alien-who-was-working-a-police-officer-in-maine)
Now, think about that. Here we have someone who’s illegally here, breaking American immigration law,
being made a law enforcement officer to enforce the laws on citizens of America. Now that right there is
crazy enough, and they allowed that. But guess what? He got caught. And he got caught, not because
of this insanity of Maine, but because he illegally tried to get a gun. What nailed him was a NICS check
when he went to get a gun. Lo and behold, his firearm. And there’s pictures of him you can see online
with his firearm on his person, even. He’s an illegal alien. He can’t have a gun. He can’t purchase a
Does it say what he was trying to buy?
No, I don’t know. Let me see. I didn’t catch exactly what it was. Apparently, it was a handgun, of course.
But yeah. So, ICE arrested the illegal alien who was hired as a police officer in Maine after he
attempted to buy a gun. And this is really something.
I just realized now, and it’s pretty funny. I remember seeing it said that the NSA, DOJ and ATF would
be cooperating with ICE. I thought they were just going to be moving units over to help them with
immigration. I didn’t think the NICS check would be a way of how they would catch illegals. That’s
Well, interestingly, President Trump’s reinvigoration of the restoration of rights will not allow illegal
aliens to obtain firearms. So, I guess The Trace would be good with that, too. I would hope they would
be, right? You know, no, they probably wouldn’t be. They would probably say no. That would be the
exception they would make. Only illegal aliens should be able to possess guns in America. Nobody
else, just illegals. That’s fine, you know. No problem, right?
Do they say where he tried to get it? Because it would be very hilarious.
Page – 6 – of 15Evan Nappen 21:34
From a dealer. It didn’t say.
Yeah, I know. I know, but it’d be kind of funny. If he was driving, and, you know, they caught him
outside Bob’s Clam Hut near Kittery.
Yeah, I don’t know where he went to get it, but that, you know. But, yeah, I love the clams of Bob’s
Clam Hut. Oh, man, we love them. They’re really good.
I know, but that’s why I just, would have. It would have been. Just every time we go to the Kittery
Trading Post, we’ll just see. I
I don’t think it was Kittery. Who knows where he went? It doesn’t matter. The dealer did right. The
dealer, you know, followed the law, and did the NICS check. And lo and behold, he gets caught. Well,
there you go. You know, maybe you shouldn’t be hiring illegal aliens to be police officers. Maybe that’s
like, the starting point here.
I really want that conversation. I really want that conversation with the dealer. Who is this? Your NICS
check came back negative.
The officer was rejected.
Yeah, yeah. I mean that alone. Like, What? What? How does that happen? So, I mean, it’s just crazy.
And can you imagine this guy? Let’s say he actually busts a criminal. I’m a defense attorney, and he’s
going to be a key witness in this case. I’m going to see about it. See if I can bring in his legality of him
having this arrest authority and acting as police officer even. I mean, even that. Is that even legal in
Maine? To be a police officer if you’re an illegal alien? If that is actually legal in Maine, Maine needs to
pass some laws to make it clear what credentials are required to be law enforcement there. Holy cow.
It’s crazy. So, anyway, they’re not to possess guns, not to purchase guns. Illegals can’t have guns.
Look even if you are lawful, like a green card holder, it’s still very complicated. There are regulations to
even possess a firearm if you’re legally here. No less, just forget it, if you’re illegally here. I mean, just
not happening. So, you know.
Page – 7 – of 15Teddy Nappen 23:46
I know. I thought that they were going to lower, like, you know, under Biden. They were trying to lower
the standards. I didn’t think, not being a naturalized citizen. They were lowering it to that level.
No, they, you know, a non-citizen.
Non-citizen is one thing, but illegal alien, someone who’s here illegally, cannot have a gun. It’s that
simple. You can’t, okay? Just how it goes, man. You can’t have a gun if you’re an illegal alien. So, there
you go. Interesting, crazy. Hey, I want to talk about our favorite range, Teddy, where you and I shoot,
which is WeShoot, of course. WeShoot is having a huge Summer Sale. They are offering, get a load of
this, man, 20% off all their pre-owned guns. That’s 20% off. That’s significant because, you know,
there’s a lot of profit in guns, and 20% off is very substantial. And that’s off, apparently, their entire pre-
owned inventory. That’s pretty cool. It’s all pre-loved guns, pre-loved, and we love our guns. But if you
have a pre-loved gun and you treasure it, that’s one thing. But if you want to buy somebody else’s pre-
loved gun that WeShoot has, you can get 20% off. And of course, WeShoot is where we shoot, literally.
We shoot at WeShoot and that’s where we got our training. It’s where we got our CCARE certificate for
our carry license. They have great training, great facility, awesome range, and a great pro shop.
Everything you need right there so you can exercise responsibly, properly, and with a lot of fun, your
Second Amendment rights. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New Jersey, conveniently
located off the Parkway. You can go to weshootusa.com. Go to their website, beautiful pictures. Check
out the WeShoot girls, too. They have some beautiful guns that they are displaying, and it’s not hard to
look at any of those guns. Take my word for it. So, check out weshootusa.com.
And don’t forget our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the
premier gun rights group for New Jersey. They are our stalwart defenders of our Second Amendment
rights in New Jersey. They have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton, and they are litigating, as we
speak, in federal court. They’ve made a difference, a big difference, in this very difficult fight in New
Jersey to maintain our Second Amendment rights. I mean, I just saw one of the studies that said New
Jersey of all 50 states has the lowest gun ownership as a percentage. That’s pretty sad. It’s pretty sad
that New Jersey is rock bottom when it comes to gun ownership, and we hardly have the lowest crime
rate. You know, we probably are down on the bottom when it comes to just freedom generally, but
we’re there on the bottom with gun rights. I hope we can change that as we see the gun laws, which
are designed to discourage individuals from exercising their rights. It is a gun rights suppression state,
and you can see that their suppression is, unfortunately working. You’ve got to fight it. We’ve got to fight
it. We’re battling it. Make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs,
ANJRPC.org. They will send you out great emails, keeping you informed. You can do easily few clicks
and let your voice be heard. You can make a difference, and they are making a difference in this
battleground state of New Jersey where we’re fighting for our Constitutional rights.
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EvanNappen.com. Hey, Teddy. What do you have today in Press Checks?
Well, I was scrolling through Bearing Arms news, and I thought I was on the Babylon Bee for a
moment. I had to make sure this is actually real, though. Of course, everyone’s favorite country, known
as the United Kingdom, you always think you know can’t go any lower. Yeah, you can’t go any lower.
Like you can be arrested for a thought crime, arrest people for, you know, what they do.
Yeah, they do thought crime arrests there. They literally do thought crime, with the woman silently
Yeah. And then, and then, or putting a post up on social media that you don’t like illegal aliens in your
country. Then what? You get two years for that? Something insane.
Oh, yeah. Well, we don’t want to, we don’t want to offend anybody. But, from Bearing Arms news, UK
Man Arrested Over Gardening Tools. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/07/29/uk-man-
arrested-over-gardening-tools-n1229413) By the way, he was in his own garden.
Oh, my God. So, he’s a gardener who had, how dare they allow a gardener to have gardening tools in
UK. What garden tools did he have?
So, this is from Tom Knighton, from Bearing Arms. Man who returned home from his allotment, his
garden allotment, with a truck of vegetables and gardening tools strapped to his belt.
Page – 9 – of 15Evan Nappen 30:35
So, his allotment is his grounds where he’s allowed to garden, right?
So, they limit where you can garden, I guess. But he somehow got them to bless his garden with an
allotment, and he’s returning with his fruits of his labor.
He was arrested and shoved against the wall. Man wearing kayaking clothing arrested for possession
of a knife. What knife? Well, quite simply, a Japanese garden sickle.
Oh, man that he was cutting his vegetables off with and pruning and doing all the gardening work.
Oh, my God. A garden trowel? That is a weapon of mass destruction, a garden trowel. How dare he
He had two things. One, a hoary hoary garden trowel on a canvas sheaf and an Ice Bear Gardeners
Yeah. And what was very funny, and I’ll give them credit. The Japanese sickle isn’t as curved, so it has,
like the Western one, you see, like sickles curved out where this one isn’t as much, but it’s the same.
It’s used the same thing. It’s a sickle for gardening and.
Well, you know how death carries a sickle, right? It’s always put out as death with a sickle, right? That
should become the symbol of U.K. when it comes to your rights. Just death to your rights with a sickle.
Yeah, and well, it’s pretty funny, as I then pulled, there was a later article by your news from the your
news media newsroom, so it goes into detail. (https://yournews.com/2025/07/30/3716989/uk-gardener-
Page – 10 – of 15arrested-for-carrying-trowel-and-sickle-in-his/) So, while in detention, so they’ve already arrested him.
They hauled him into the little interrogation room, and he’s being interviewed without legal
representation. You know, no rights in the United Kingdom, of course.
Well, they don’t have a Bill of Rights, that’s for sure.
Yeah, that’s actually a good question, right?
Yeah. And whether he intended to do something with the tools they classified as weapons.
You know, if this was a Monty Python episode, I would have sooner believed it. Because, you know, it’s
Yeah. And so, in his description, they started asking me questions like if I was autistic or anything like
that. Asking me whether I had ever been in the army, whether I told people I was in the army. And then
the police demanded he explain in very basic terms what an allotment garden is.
Yeah, I like to pay to be arrested and just like, and put me in the room and explain my crime. It’s utter
insanity. And then it goes, even further.
This tomato is definitely harvested. Something like that.
A criminal record for garden tools, for garden tools.
Like, yeah. And it gets even worse. Although he maintained his innocence, Rao ultimately accepted the
caution in order to be released, which means he now has a criminal record for garden tools.
You know, at one time I thought it’d be great to visit the U.K. They had, you know, such a wonderful
military history and so many fascinating things. I wouldn’t step foot in that place, man. Not a chance.
Page – 11 – of 15Teddy Nappen 34:14
Yeah, you’ll be arrested for thinking about gardening tools. I will give the article credit and highlighted in
2018 the London Police decided to put out a tweet, or formerly Twitter, known as x, about their
confiscation. They’re great, you know, we’re doing some good as they confiscate around the greatest
do butter Yeah, a round tip butter knife, not a killer butter knife. Yeah, I know, right. Oh, and after being
ruthlessly mocked, they had to take that post down. But see, my god,
Yeah, so you see, Teddy. It’s really great on one hand, because you can see how extreme the rights
suppression gets there and here with the knife liberty movement, how important it is as we’re repealing
knife laws, repealing knife laws. And by the way, switchblades in the U.K. are called flick knives. Of
course, they’re all banned as well. Flick knives. That’s what they like to ban there, and so many other
things they ban. Any thing they can come up with as conceivably a weapon. They seem to immediately
have to feel they have to ban it. Ban it. Well, even if it’s guarding tools. So, be it, right?
Yeah, it’s pretty funny. So, I was wondering, okay, what is it they actually ban? What is their law? So, I
actually went to the government of the U.K., buying and carrying knives. Basic laws of knives and
weapons. It is illegal to use any knife or weapon in a threatening way.
It is also illegal to carry most knives or any weapons in public without good reason. What is good
reason? Well, you’re going to have to go to court when we arrest you for that.
That’s nice. So, you’re guilty till proven innocent. That sounds very fair.
So, then, every type of absurd arrest like this could take place, and then the people get totally
intimidated there over the system. So, this guy takes a hit by having a criminal record for having
gardening tools. I mean, that is, I’ll tell you one thing that the UK does. It can actually, at times, make
New Jersey actually look good. So, I guess it serves a purpose. It serves a purpose because it makes it
clear that New Jersey can actually get worse. It can get worse. New Jersey could become the U.K. and,
you know, it’s close. It’s close. But, you know, this is why the fight is so critical. It’s so critical because
we don’t want to become the U.K. insanity. We’ve got to stand and fight because this is what awaits us
if we don’t. It’s outrageous. Well.
Page – 12 – of 15Teddy Nappen 37:17
It’s also quite insane. If you’re ever bored, just go on and look up their list. (https://www.gov.uk/buying-
carrying-knives) I love they go with foot claw, hand claw, zombie knife. What is a zombie knife?
Oh, yeah, a zombie knife. Well, you know, you never know, man. If zombies attack, if we’re going to
have a zombie apocalypse, you better have the correct tools to take care of those zombies. You know,
I’m all for that. I don’t know why they banned zombie knives, but maybe. I guess they’re supporting
zombie rights in this. You know, they don’t want to see any discrimination against zombies or any
threats to zombies, because of their love of zombies. And you know the U.K. is just protecting every
kind of imaginable creature, ghost and goblin they can come up with. I guess that’s probably why.
Well, obviously, and it’s just, at times I’m just wondering. Like, at some point, they’re just going to have
to say, okay, we’re going to be banning cars. We’re going to be banning, we’re going to be banning
spoons. Like, at some point they’re just going to have to, at some point, they’re just going to, like, all
right, we’re banning fists. You have to have your hands completely open at all times.
There’s no it is just progressivism for progressive sake. They have no end.
And focusing on intrinsic objects that are not in and of themselves, good or evil. You know, it’s just not.
It’s the person, but it’s not a person focus anymore. It’s instead this selling this garbage to the public to
make it look like they’re doing good as they just oppress, oppress, oppress. So sick.
Brought to you by the Government that is trying to block out the sun.
Ah, well, the sun can cause damage to your skin, of course. I guess we better ban the sun. Banning the
sun. Ban the sun. Well, hey, I have a letter here, and this is to ask Evan. It’s from Frank. And Frank
says, I’m looking to purchase a shotgun. It’s a standard manufacturing DP12 pump action with a
capacity, I believe, of 14 plus two. I know the gun is legal in New Jersey, but I’d like to know if there’s
any formal compliance letter for this particular model that says so. I’m getting conflicting information
from gun dealers. I just want to educate myself. Thank you so very much for your time. Have a great
day. God bless the Second Amendment.
Well. So, let me tell you, Frank. There is no “compliance letter”. New Jersey doesn’t do “compliance
letters”, anyway, but the reason it’s legal is very simple. You don’t need a compliance letter. The only
Page – 13 – of 15shotguns that are banned in New Jersey, there are two. Essentially, one is sawed-off shotguns, short-
barrel shotguns, and the other is a shotgun that qualifies as an assault firearm. And there are only two
types of shotguns that qualify as assault firearms. One is the revolving cylinder shotgun, such as Street
Sweeper or Striker 12, and the other is semi-automatic shotgun. So, it’s the first thing that it must be.
Semi-automatic. Since the DP 12 is pump, it’s not a revolving cylinder shotgun, and it’s not a semi-
automatic shotgun. It doesn’t even get out of the gate as to whether it’s prohibited.
Now, if it was a semi-automatic shotgun, then it cannot have any one of the following features. It’s
crystal clear under the law what it can’t have. It cannot have a folding stock. It cannot have a magazine
capacity over six rounds. Okay? And the interesting thing there is that the six-round capacity is in the
law, by the way. But in the Attorney General guidelines, because they copied verbatim the Federal
1994 Crime Bill in trying to save the assault firearm law, they say five rounds in there, but that was the
federal law. New Jersey’s law actually says six rounds. The third thing you cannot have on a semi-
automatic shotgun is a pistol grip. So, if you have a semi-automatic shotgun with a folding stock, a
pistol grip, or a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, then you have an assault firearm, which
makes that shotgun prohibited as an assault firearm. Or if it’s a revolving cylinder shotgun, then that
becomes prohibited as well as assault firearm.
Now, one of the guns that sometimes is questioned is that Rossi revolving cylinder 410, but if you have
the Rossi revolving cylinder 410, the barrel on it is rifled. So, even though it can fire a 410 shot shell, it
is not a 410 shotgun, because shotguns under New Jersey law have to have a smooth bore. Since it’s
rifled, as long as you have the rifle barreled version, you’re fine, even with a revolving cylinder. But
that’s the law on shotguns and New Jersey that’s the actual law. You can also read about this in my
book. So, that’s the closest you’ll get to a formal compliance letter is reading about these things in my
New Jersey Gun Law book. But Frank, thanks for the letter.
And now we have the segment that everybody loves and looks forward to, and that is the GOFU. The
GOFU is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We like to look at gun owner fuck ups, because you don’t want to
become a GOFU. So, you get a chance here to learn from mistakes that others have made. This is a
very serious mistake. I want to talk about a very serious GOFU. I call it the coup de gras. If you’re
involved in a self-defense situation where you’re justified in using deadly force and you end up shooting
your gun, you must only be doing that while you have an active threat. Once the threat is gone, you are
no longer justified in using deadly force because it is based on that threat of serious bodily injury or
death. So, if you see or hear of a situation where a bad guy, where there’s justification of using deadly
force, and the person is hit by a round and goes down and the gun is no longer in their hand. If they are
on the ground and they are no longer a threat, you cannot go up to that person and just put an extra
bullet in their head. Okay? You cannot do that. You can’t give a coup de grace in a self-defense
situation. While hunting, sure. If you’re hunting and you wound game and you come up to it, you need
to put it down. Then coup de grace are fine in hunting and of course, that’s the humane thing to do. But
that is not what you do in a self-defense, use of deadly force, situation.
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This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws do not protect honest citizens
from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.
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