As energy infrastructure becomes a battlefield for hybrid threats, NATO is rethinking how to defend its member states beyond traditional warfare. In this special episode, Leslie Palti-Guzman speaks with Dr. Benedetta Berti, Director of Policy Planning at NATO’s Office of the Secretary General.

Together, they explore:

• Why energy security is central to NATO’s collective defense
• The growing threat of sabotage, cyberattacks, and underwater cable disruption
• Strategic vulnerabilities in energy grids, shipping routes, and military fuel logistics
• NATO’s evolving stance on hybrid warfare and systemic challenges posed by China

Also we deep-dive on NATO’s deterrence strategies, and the economic upside of defense-industrial innovation.

Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and all major podcast platforms.

This episode was recorded on July 10, 2025