Before there were the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, QAnon and Donald Trump, there was Timothy McVeigh. A decorated war veteran, who decided he, too, didn’t trust the federal government. He decided to release his anger and frustration upon over 800 innocents by bringing down the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

This largest act of domestic terror in the history of the United States, took the lives of 168 souls, 19 of whom were children, and injured 680 others.

Was McVeigh’s wanton act an inspiration for the attack on the capitol on January 6th? I asked my guest today just that question. Stanley Goldman is a lawyer and teacher of law and, at the time of McVeigh’s trial, was present in the courtroom as a legal reporter and analyst for Fox News.