This week’s episode is one of the harder ones we’ve recorded. We’re talking about conversion therapy — something that isn’t just a political talking point, but a lived reality for so many in our community. If this topic is too much for you right now, please take care of yourself and skip this one. Your wellbeing matters more than anything. But for those who can listen, thank you for holding space for a conversation that’s painful and deeply important.

We’re speaking with Dr. Lucas Wilson, a scholar and survivor, about the theology that fuels conversion therapy, the systems that keep it alive, and what life can look like after surviving it. This isn’t just history — right now, Republican lawmakers in Colorado and other states are working to make these harmful practices legal again. We believe staying informed is one way we protect each other. Thank you for being willing to face hard truths with us.