Leave Laugh Love

Leave Laugh Love

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  • 69. The Hidden Influence of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal

    If you have any other information that you’re willing to share with us about the charismatic renewal, covenant communities, or Sword of the Spirit, please email [email protected] or send us a DM on Instagram.

    We are indebted to John Flaherty for his decades of work collecting, organizing, and making original documents publicly accessible through Scribd. Here is just a sampling of the important files documenting the history of Sword of the Spirit, including the sources for many of the original documents quoted or referenced in this episode:

    Sneaking the Sword of the Spirit into the Catholic Church: https://www.scribd.com/document/20484406/Sneaking-the-Sword-of-the-Spirit-Into-the-Catholic-Church 

    Death Oath of The Sword of The Spirit: https://www.scribd.com/document/56950055/Death-Oath-of-the-Sword-of-the-Spirit 

    Sword of the Spirit at Franciscan University: https://www.scribd.com/document/19166829/Sword-of-the-Spirit-at-Franciscan-University 

    The Complete Training Course of The Sword of The Spirit 1982: https://www.scribd.com/document/99711118/The-Complete-Training-Course-of-the-Sword-of-the-Spirit-1982

    Other Sources:

    Morrier Lawsuit: https://www.scribd.com/document/604108628/Morier-Lawsuit-Redacted

    From page 18 of the lawsuit: “In late 2011, Plaintiff became pregnant as a result of Morrier’s abuse. Morrier’s response was that ‘There is no way God would punish him like that,’ that ‘A pregnancy would ruin his life,’ and that Plaintiff needed to ‘take care of it.’ Contrary to her religious beliefs at the time, but under Morrier’s complete control, Plaintiff felt compelled to follow his advice and thereafter underwent an abortion in Philadelphia one week before Christmas of 2011. When Plaintiff informed Morrier that she had the abortion, Morrier blamed it on a fictional demon named ‘Fr. Robert,’ and would have Plaintiff tell the participants in subsequent deliverance sessions that ‘Fr. Robert’ got her pregnant but that she had ‘miscarried’ the fetus (instead of aborting it)”.

    Washington Post’s multi-part exposé on Mother of God in Gaithersburg, MD: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/mog/mogmain.htm 

    Christopher West’s Mother’s Statement on Mother of God: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/mog/members/west.htm 

    No Longer Strangers by Regina Doman and the Rev. Gregory Plow, TOR, a short book on the history of household life at Franciscan University: https://troubonline.com/tor-friar-franciscan-alumna-team-up-for-book-on-household-life/ 

    FIRE (Faith, Intercession, Repentance, Evangelism): https://www.renewalministries.net/ralph-martin-recalls-fr-scanlans-support/ 

    The Malines Documents: https://www.nsc-chariscenter.org/malines-documents/ 

    Current website of the Community of God’s Love which continues to operate in Steubenville, OH: https://coglove.org/ 

    True House: An Oral History: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqfdxkn2sBg 

    This was released after we recorded this episode, but trust that we will be watching and deep diving in the coming months. 


    1 hr 53 min
  • 68. Catholics in the Highest Levels of our Government: JD Vance & Amy Coney Barrett

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    1 hr
  • 67. Right-Wing Politics Are Infiltrating Education (with R/B Mertz)

    Join us for Part 2 of our conversation with author, poet, queer parent, fellow FUS alum, and sometime college professor R/B Mertz. In this episode, we're discussing the education system, higher ed, right-wing politics, and how it all impacts the queer community and beyond.check out R/B's other work, including their debut memoir, Burning Butch: ⁠https://rbmertz.com/⁠order a candle: ⁠https://dzhe0h-k0.myshopify.com/products/i-survived-steubenville-prayer-candle?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web⁠

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    48 min
  • 67. Right-Wing Politics Are Infiltrating Education (ft. R/B Mertz)

    Join us for Part 2 of our conversation with author, poet, queer parent, fellow FUS alum, and sometime college professor R/B Mertz. In this episode, we're discussing the education system, higher ed, right-wing politics, and how it all impacts the queer community and beyond.

    check out R/B's other work, including their debut memoir, Burning Butch: ⁠https://rbmertz.com/⁠


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    #leavelaughlove⁠ ⁠#catholicism⁠ ⁠#fundamentalism⁠ ⁠#deconstruction

    49 min
  • 66. Finding God in the Burning Butch: From Catholic Homeschooling Cult to Non-Binary Lesbian (ft. R/B Mertz)

    Join us for Part 1 of our conversation with author, poet, queer parent, and sometime college professor R/B Mertz.

    check out R/B's other work, including their debut memoir, Burning Butch: https://rbmertz.com/

    order a candle: https://dzhe0h-k0.myshopify.com/products/i-survived-steubenville-prayer-candle?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web

    leave laugh love on Apple Podcasts: ⁠https://bit.ly/4owQNOi

    ⁠leave laugh love on Spotify: ⁠https://bit.ly/3WWIXlf⁠

    leave laugh love on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavelaughlovepod/

    support us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/c/LeaveLaughLovePod⁠⁠


    #leavelaughlove⁠ ⁠#catholicism⁠ ⁠#fundamentalism⁠ ⁠#deconstruction

    1 hr 9 min
  • 65. Happy New Year! December Deconstruction, Advent Edition

    Join Veronica for a chat about deconstructing in December with all the complicated feelings that Advent and Christmas bring when you've been deconstructing.


    Here's some links to resources on the holiday season. While these articles are all targeted to the LGBTQ+ community, I hope they might be helpful even if you are straight and cisgender!

    - 8 Queer Tips to Get Through the Holidays - Queer Theology

    - Going Home for the Holidays - The Trevor Project

    - 5 Holiday Tips for LGBTQ+ People in Recovery - The Center

    - Making It Through the Holidays as an LGBTQ+ Person - SFGMC


    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠order a candle here!

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    29 min
  • 64. straight as the default hurts the church too

    Today we unpack compulsory heterosexuality (“comphet”)—how church culture, gender scripts, and fear of exclusion pushed us to date men, plan marriages, and mistake deep friendship for attraction. We share the slow, messy process of naming queerness, the survival calculus of staying in community, and why silence around sexuality harms everyone—including the Church. From youth group purity talk to adult deconstruction, this is a candid look at desire, honesty, and building a life that actually fits.

    00:00 Small Group: Rose and Thorn

    02:10 Understanding Compulsory Heterosexuality

    06:30 Struggles with Identity and Relationships

    24:05 The Impact of Conversion Therapy

    29:22 Struggles with Sexuality and Church Teachings

    31:36 Mental Health Risks for Queer Individuals in the Church

    44:03 Historical and Social Context of Queer Relationships

    46:31 Critique of Church's Stance on Sexuality

    53:09 Conversion Therapy and Its Rejection

    01:00:32 Support from Other Faith Communities

    1 hr 4 min
  • 63. Theos Bros & Church Girlies (ft. Cade Bradley @GayExTrad)

    Evelyn, Veronica, and Cade compare the wildly different messages men and women receive in Catholic spaces—porn-and-purity men’s talks vs. dignity-and-modesty women’s talks—then track how those scripts shape deconstruction, dating, and identity. From Theo-bro debate culture to confession-as-streaks, “feminine genius” to closeting strategies, we unpack power, fear, and why over-intellectualizing feelings keeps people stuck—and how to get free.


    00:00 Small Group02:05 Gendered Experiences in Catholicism05:47 Men's Emotional Expression and Social Dynamics13:26 Purity Culture and Confession26:12 Social Hierarchies and Virtue in Catholic Circles38:36 Catholic Ideals and Sexuality49:43 Experiences of Queer Women in the Church59:01 Challenges of Dating in Catholic Culture01:01:05 Over-Intellectualizing Catholic Teachings01:07:08 Autism and Hyperfixations in Religious Contexts

    1 hr 16 min
  • 62. Leaving High-Control Religion: Making New Meaning (ft. Cherie @canceledchristian)

    We sit down with Cherie - aka “The Canceled Christian” - to unpack life inside high-control evangelical spaces: homeschooling, purity culture, and rules at Pensacola Christian College, plus the cracks that formed during 2020 and after Dobbs. Cherie shares how she and her husband deconstructed together, why empathy (not outrage) moved her most, and practical advice for taking it slow, finding a “deconstruction buddy,” and keeping whatever spirituality still fits.


    find more of cherie on tiktok:


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    leave laugh love on Spotify: https://bit.ly/3WWIXlf

    leave laugh love on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leavelaughlovepod/


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    #leavelaughlove #catholicism #fundamentalism #deconstruction


    00:00 Small Group: Rose and Thorn

    02:17 Cherie's Background and Deconstruction Journey

    04:23 Navigating Marriage and Deconstruction

    06:12 College Experiences and Questioning Beliefs

    15:25 Working at Starbucks and Meeting Non-Christians

    25:18 Starting on Social Media and Shiny Happy People

    28:23 Understanding Cult Dynamics

    33:43 Navigating Political and Religious Tensions

    36:45 Personal Deconstruction Journeys

    43:49 Advice for Those Deconstructing

    55 min
  • 61. What We Loved Most From Our Catholic Upbringing (Even Though We Left)

    We unpack the parts of Catholicism we still love and live by: the dignity of every person, preferential option for the poor, workers’ rights, solidarity, and care for creation. We get honest about where politics eclipsed the Gospel, why those same values led us out, and how community, ritual, silence, and values-based living still shape our daily lives—queer-affirming, neighbor-minded, and deeply human.



    00:00 Small Group: Rose and Thorn

    02:02 Positive Influences from Catholic Upbringing

    04:12 The Value of Human Dignity

    07:02 Reflections on Relationships and Complementarity

    11:01 Building Community and Self-Sacrifice

    13:07 Catholic Social Teaching: Core Values

    19:04 Solidarity and Care for God's Creation

    25:12 Community, Rituals, and Traditions

    27:39 Navigating Spirituality Beyond Catholicism

    36:37 The Importance of Silence and No Phone Time

    43:24 Values-Based Living and Personal Growth

    49 min

About Leave Laugh Love

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We may have left the Church, but we’re still laughing and loving! Join your hosts Evelyn and Veronica as we chat about life after high-control Catholicism.

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