In this Heart Set Above episode, Georgia and Ellen pull back the curtain on what therapists actually learn—and why it matters for everyday relationships and Christian living. From trauma-training surprises (“we paid to learn how to be quiet!”) to Jesus’ non-anxious presence with Mary and Martha, they unpack how simply being with someone can be more healing than any quick fix.

You’ll hear real stories (joy and grief in parenting, the power of a shared sigh), practical tools you can try today, and a gentle invitation to surrender what we can’t carry to the One who can.

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Connect with Ellen

https://heartsetabove.com/

https://linktr.ee/ellenradcliff

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Listen to the Podcast:

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast...

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Ra0vlh...