Living Adventurously

ReRun is a Community Interest Company aimed at prolonging the life of running clothes and equipment. Founded and run by Dan Lawson, Team GB 24hr Ultra runner and his wife Charlotte.
They say, "the biggest thing we can do is to ask "do I really need this?" before buying something. It is good for the planet, but also saves you money so you can work less, and therefore spend more time with your family or out in nature."
Adidas makes 400 million shoes a year, but every trainer ever made still exists! So ReRun is trying to eradicate waste in the running community by prolonging the life of every item.
As well as clothing, we talked about Ultrarunning, taking a degree in dance, and the world of Bollywood movies!

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• ReRun Clothing: https://rerunclothing.org/
• https://www.instagram.com/rerun.clothing
• Dan ran a half marathon at 12
• Dan Lawson is now a GB ultramarathon runner - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Lawson
• Dan didn't run a marathon until his late 30s - ran it on his own in the South Downs with no training - as the result of an argument with a friend
• If you want to run a good time in a marathon you have to train, but if you just want to do it then anyone can do it.
• Charlotte has run a 5.30 marathon. "It was worse than giving birth!"
• Charlotte - "I like the idea of being a runner"
• Charlotte wanted to be a Top of the Pops dancer. She went to the Brit school at 14 - https://www.brit.croydon.sch.uk/
• Degree at London Contemporary Dance School - https://www.lcds.ac.uk/lcds-homepage
• "I did all my professional training... and then I got pregnant."
• A degree in dance - 90 mins ballet, 90 mins contemporary dance, pilates every day
• Choreography, dance theory, dance history, dance notation, preparing routines
• Martha Graham - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Graham
• Twyla Tharp - the Creative Habit: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Habit-Learn-Use-Life/dp/0743235274
• C: My love of dance was not creating it, but perfecting somebody else's vision
• C: dancers are fitter than ultrarunners. Dan agrees. "Dancers are very strong"
• D: Ultrarunning is easy: you've just got to want to do it. It is more about blocking out the noise in your head than being physically fit.
• D: I've always had a vice in my life. Running is a vice.
• What are you running away from?
• Ultrarunning is a form of self-harm
• I run to calm my mind - it's like a drug. You need to run longer and longer
• Running is a moreish addiction.
• C: Running also brings you joy, Dan
• D: Running brings me immense joy. I also meditate. Running is like a fast-track to that point of stillness.
• Runs without headphones so that his mind quietens down
• The flow state in both running and dancing
• British Athletics 24 hour team - https://www.britishathletics.org.uk/news-and-features/12-british-athletes-selected-for-24-hour-world-championships/
• 24 hour running round a running track
• UltraGobi 400
• Charlotte is part of the GB 24 hour support crew
• Role of crew: don't sleep, don't have empathy/emotion, have to be harsh at them and say "just keep running"
• Ultrarunning is actually a team game - you can't run far, fast without someone looking after you. The crew is vital
• Setting off to attempt to break the record for running Land's End to John O'Groats. (Spoiler: he did it! https://www.instagram.com/p/CD7v54nHJiH/?utm_source=ig_embed) - 9 Days 21 hours 14 minutes 2 seconds
• Previous attempt Dan just ran out of steam
• The record for cycling from Land's End to John o' Groats is held by Andy Wilkinson, who completed the journey in 41 hours, 4 minutes and 22 seconds on a Windcheetah recumbent tricycle. 
• Charlotte danced in Bollywood movies
• With 2 small children we decided that life could be more exciting and decided to move to India
  Patnem, Goa
• A lady asked Charlotte what she did for a living. She lied and said "a dancer" because she had always wanted to be a dancer. The lady happened to be an agent for Bollywood movies and offered her an audition. 2 weeks later she was tapdancing to "diamonds are a girls' best friend" on a piano in a 7-star hotel!
• Dan used to be sponsored by running companies. Got tired of plugging stuff on Instagram to sell stuff nobody needs. It was kind of an ego thing.
• We wanted to promote something...

Kieran Harkin is a conservationist and educator with 12 years’ experience working for non-profit organisations and over 500 days experience in leading groups of young people in wilderness area. Kieran was on his way to begin a law degree in Manchester when he decided instead to follow his heart and pursue a career protecting the environment. Twelve years on from earning an Msc in Environmental Management, he has never once regretted the change of heart.
Kieran's career has taken him to the remote Botswana bush and the Nepalese Himalayas where he has spent long periods leading groups of young people in wilderness areas. He has more than a decade's experience working on conservation projects for non-profit organisations.
Kieran strongly believes that all people must be engaged with the natural world to ensure its protection, a vision which led him to found GET OUT.
GET OUT is a UK charity, founded in 2018 and based in the London borough of Tower Hamlets. The founding goal of GET OUT is to use environmental education to strengthen the connection between Tower Hamlets' young people and the natural world. 
Through a programme of outdoor education, surfing, campaigning and permaculture projects GET OUT strives to give young people self-confidence, life skills and experiences which will help them in education, life and as environmentally-conscious members of their local and global communities.
They believe ALL young people deserve the same opportunities to experience nature and become voices for its protection regardless of their background. 
Kieran says, “At GET OUT we want to ensure that the importance of environmental protection is embedded and instilled in people’s values from a young age. Centred on the belief that people will only protect what they love, we believe it is essential for ALL young people to experience and value the natural world.”

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• Get Out project: https://www.getoutuk.org/
• https://twitter.com/GETOUTCHARITY
• Dunaff Head
• Kieran is a bad but very keen surfer
• After a 5 hour drive from London to get to the waves, you're going in no matter what the waves are like
• Why don't surfers wear helmets? Because they are too cool.
• Jerry Lopez, Surf Is Where You Find It
• Eddie Aikau - Eddie Would Go
• Barbarian Days
• Daniel Duane - Caught Inside
• Mark Boyle - The Way Home
• Surfing gives me a real sense of purpose
• The anticipation of a 5 hour drive from London to Devon, the week before looking at surf reports - the whole thing gives me a buzz
• Rosie Riley podcast episode on Living Adventurously- North Sea surfing
• London Surf Film festival - https://londonsurffilmfestival.com/the-event/
• London Surf Club on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/LondonSurfClub/
• Spend 20 days doing your 'pop up' every night in front of the mirror
• Biggest adventure was living in the African bush in Botswana for 7 months. 
• Got a job offer whilst doing a Masters degree, and the university allowed him to go and study elephants
• Masters on Migratory patterns in elephants
• I was pretty scared on my first night in the bush. By the end when elephants came through the camp I'd lob stones at them to get them to go away and then go back to sleep
• Watching how animals interact is incredibly insightful
• It's really important to study animals in nature during a degree course
• His experiences in Africa led to him creating Get Out
• Works on Tiger conservation in Vietnam and other countries
• You can change people by exposure to the natural world
• Being in the natural world helps people challenge their values
• Get Out is a non-profit to connect disadvantaged people connected with the natural world through permaculture, outdoor education and surfing
• 3/4 of kids spend less time outdoors than prisoners - (in particular, BAME communities are marginalised from the natural world) 
• You only protect what you love
• If kids are not going out into the natural world, if they are not enjoying it and understanding it, they are not going to protect it.
• Get Out tries to reverse these trends
• Mostly works in Tower Hamlets in ...

Brian Cookson is the former president of British Cycling, helping to oversee the miraculous transformation of the sport to become Team GB's most successful Olympic sport. He was also the president of UCI (Union Cycliste International), tackling the doping problems which have plagued the sport. Brian is a keen amateur cyclist himself. He also loves trees and posts a daily Tree of the Day photograph on Twitter. 

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• https://www.briancookson.com/
• https://twitter.com/BrianCooksonOBE
• There will always be a percentage of people who try to cheat, in whatever activity in life
• The National Cycling Centre - http://www.nationalcyclingcentre.com/
• Britain had won one cycling medal in 76 years' of Olympics pre 2000
• It was 'extremely gratifying' to see all the results at the Beijing Olympics
• The beauty, the passion, the colour, the complexity of the sport
• Cycling is like Test cricket in its complexity
• The whiteness of cycling needs to change - that has not progressed in the way that other changes in cycling have done
• There's a difference between not being negative vs making a proactive way to make cycling less white and less middle class
• There will probably never be a full-length Women's Tour de France (mostly due to sponsorship reasons)
• Fiona Kolbinger won the Trans Continental race - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49248126 (MY MISTAKE in the podcast, mixing this up with the Tour Divide race)
• If you were inventing cycling today you probably would not invent the Tour de France
• We need to move away from the exclusivity of cycling - if you ride a bike you are a cyclist
• We are too snooty about who is a real cyclist
• Cycling a sport but it is also a pastime and a means of transport
• We need to invest in more cycling infrastructure if we are to broaden its reach and lower the perception of danger
• Once everyone has someone in their family who is a cyclist, people will drive more safely
• Brian owns 7 bikes
• Favourite cycling is road cycling
• Recommendation for touring cycling - titanium frame, mudguards, relaxed pose, Reynolds 531 tubing, wider tyres 
• Electronic gears, Shimano DI2
• Fred Whitton challenge - https://alastairhumphreys.com/fred-whitton-challenge-2/
• The miles are 'twice as good' in the Lake District because there are so many ups and downs
• Tree of the Day - https://twitter.com/BrianCooksonOBE/status/1301156089422139392
• Trees have always been a big part of my life. My favourite tree is a beech tree.

Zahrah Mahmood lives in Scotland and loves the mountains. She says, "you can find me in the hills with some sort of head covering." For Zahrah is known on Instagram as 'the Hillwalking Hijabi', sharing her cheerful, joyful experiences with a fast-growing audience. Zahrah is at the forefront of a new urgency to make the outdoors more welcoming, more diverse, more representative. I really enjoyed chatting. to Zahrah about what first got her into the outdoors, the joy it brings her, the grind of microagressions and how the outdoor community can become more welcoming to everyone.

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• Zahrah's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the_hillwalking_hijabi/
• Zahrah is an auditor in Glasgow
• Mountain Weather website - https://www.mwis.org.uk/
• Dark Skies app (iOS) - https://darksky.net/app
• Two of her friends from work got Zahrah into the hills
• Two years ago she was stressing over her chartered accountant exams, so her friends took her into the hills for her birthday
• First Munro - Ben Lomond
• The Innaccessible Pinnacle
• Complained the whole way up her first mountain and didn't do anything again for about a year!
• Links the mountains to the spiritual aspects of her life
• Her preconception was that the hills were for fit people and crazy people. 
• I'm not the fastest or the fittest, I just enjoy hillwalking.
• To welcome people to the hills, you should have a conversation with them before cheering them on, otherwise it can be a bit overwhelming - make sure that they actually are newcomers to the hills and not just unfit!
• Instagram hashtags: #hillwalking #hillwalkingscotland #munrobagging 
• A Munro is a Scottish mountain over 3000ft. There are 282. Zahrah has bagged 21 of them. 
• Buachaille Etive Beag is her favourite peak so far.
• Hiking with other people adds to the spiritual side for Zahrah - she doesn't hike alone. Enjoys the company and the deep chats, the philosophical and spiritual side. 
• A lot of people think hiking and hillwalking is more complicated than it is.
• You don't need fancy, expensive gear. Trainers are fine for some hikes.
• Lockdown has got Zahrah planning a camping trip when she feels comfortable to do so - some Munros require a night out in a tent or a bothy
• A glimpse at 'bothies' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOrcWFZ-q-4
• Despite growing up in Scotland she didn't get introduced to the mountains as a kid. She was in the gardening and computer clubs and enjoyed playing badminton.
• https://www.instagram.com/the_hillwalking_hijabi
• https://www.instagram.com/adventurer.nic/
• https://www.instagram.com/jamesmichaelforrest/
• Would be great to become "A hillwalking hijabi" rather than "THE hillwalking hijabi"
• Her parents came to the UK from Pakistan
• Karakoram Highway
• Imran Mughal - the first British-Pakistani to cycle round the world. (PODCAST EPISODE: https://livingadventurously.transistor.fm/episodes/going-out-to-explore-the-world-was-not-encouraged-within-the-pakistani-community)
• Her parents outlined their fears about Zahrah going to the hills, then she countered them. Didn't meet resistance from her friends or family.
• Occasional microagressions on the hills - people staring at her, or assuming she's a novice because of the way Zahrah dresses
• Nike hijab - https://www.nike.com/gb/t/pro-hijab-y7mzD8
• Limited product available for hijabs to wear in the outdoors or for sport. 
• Boots and Beards - https://bootsandbeards.co.uk/
• The outdoor community can become more welcoming to broader groups by having brands showcase adventurers and improving representation. Sticking a person of colour on their feed then thinking "tick, we've done it". We can see through that.
• Brands need to take actual steps to champion diversity.
• Not to say anything is wrong
• The complex pros and cons of the 'black square' day on Instagram
• Outdoors Facebook Groups - lots of racist comments / stereotyping in the aftermath of BLM.
• Zahrah doesn't like getting dragged into other people's racist arguments
• South Asians are at risk of many health ailments - the outdoors / hiking could be very powerful for this, if they were encouraged and welcomed more.
• Reaching out to local community groups is a way of diversifying walking groups (and...

Kate Rawles studied philosophy at Aberdeen University, and environmental philosophy at Glasgow and Colorado State Universities. She was an indoor philosophy lecturer at Lancaster University for nearly a decade before leaving to work freelance in 2000. From 2004-2014 she worked half-time as a lecturer in Outdoor Studies at the University of Cumbria – teaching ‘big picture’ environmental issues, sustainability, environmental education and a bit of sea kayaking – and half-time as a freelance outdoor philosopher, writer, lecturer and environmental campaigner. She left Cumbria University in 2014 to develop her freelance work and make time for adventures, beginning with The Life Cycle journey.

Kate is passionate about the need to find urgent, effective and suitably radical responses to our multiple environmental challenges (including giving our values and worldviews a thorough overhaul) – and firmly believes our quality of life can go up rather than down in the process. She’s excited about the potential of adventurous journeys as a communication medium and believes the adventure of sustainability is an adventure we’re all on, one way or another.

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• https://www.outdoorphilosophy.co.uk/
• https://twitter.com/CarbonCycleKate
• How Not To Write A Bestseller - @carboncyclekate - https://www.instagram.com/p/B89CgoEFLaj/
• #18: it's easier to write a book in other people's homes because you can't tidy other people's sock drawers!
• Tips to avoid writing: get out on your bike most days, take on a rescue dog
• Prioritising quality of life over income is key to the work/life balance
• Sea kayaking to the Outer Hebrides is better than a 'decent' income
• Adventure Plus: loved adventure, learned a lot about climate change, but nothing much seemed to be happening
• How could she bring her love of adventure together with her learning about climate change, and offer a "wake up!" cry
• The Carbon Cycle - ride from Texas to Alaska in the most oil-ravenous place on Earth.
• Bringing the climate change story to an audience that didn't usually hear it. 
• The Carbon Cycle book - https://www.outdoorphilosophy.co.uk/carbon-cycle/the-book/
• If you're going to talk about oil, go to America.
• The attitudes to ClimateChange she encountered varied from blank faces, having never heard of it, thought it was a myth, God's will, or that the government would fix it. And then some people who were very keen on fixing it.
• Kate loves travelling in America - the people, the landscapes, the generosity, the variety
• Whitman Alabama - https://whitmanalabama.com/
• I am not athletic, got into cycling as a way of commuting.
• Cycling is an amazing way for even unfit people to cover miles. Every mundane journey becomes an adventure
• A bike is like a magician - it scatters adventure all around you.
• The idea that I can conquer mountains is ludicrous and I dislike that narrative with a passion. 
• Overcoming nature is an inappropriate narrative right now - the idea that we can 'defeat' nature has got us into a heck of a lot of trouble over the years
• I think we need a different narrative now - we are part of nature. I like to think of myself as a citizen of an ecological community (on the same terms as everything else) - that really helps shift perspective
• It's not just a human community - it's an everything community
• Her ride through America changed her opinion of her carbon footprint. Flying to the US, she realised, demonstrated a mindset that is exactly part of the problem, "well my flight is different, my flight is special, my flight is justified."
• Kate is on a flight ration - once every 3 years. Works well when talking to people rather than saying "quit flying"
• It is not possible to tackle climate change without changing our lifestyles. Yet consumerism is not really the best, happiest lifestyle is it?
• Number of bikes needed = n+1 [where 'n' = number you currently have]
• Number of bikes needed = s-1 [where 's' = number at which your partner dumps you]
• Outdoor brands: Adventure can stand for a different model of 'quality of life' if it is about connection with nature, quality of experience, time outdoors, pushing yourself in different ways.
• If everyone on the Earth lived life by US lifestyle standards we would need 4 planets.
• A quality of life that is about time and connection and experience; not stuff
• And yet brands also need to sell Stuff (because of the system we are in)
• Systemic change so that people sell what they have to sell, not as much as possible
• Stuff - also oil-based and has a terrible environmental footprint
• Flying and Stuff are two of the biggest problems in adventure
• Reuse and mend the stuff we have already got
• Buy second hand where possible 
• Ask brands "what is your sustainability policy" to avoid them doing a lame 'greenwash'
• Patagonia is way ahead of the other brands in terms of environmental work
• Outdoor Philosophy: the relationship between people and nature. Began taking those conversations outdoors, with sea kayaks if possible!
• Do we think of ourselves as part of nature, dominating nature or in nature?
• Our relationship with nature is dysfunctional - that is the root cause of climate change, environmental destruction and biodiversity loss
• Favourite whisky: Lagavulin - or any Islay malt. Laphroaig
• Talisker Storm adventure - http...

Daisy Narayanan is the director of Urbanism at Sustrans and is working on the central Edinburgh transformation project. Daisy is an architect, an urban designer, a cyclist, and a fan of books, food and music.

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• https://twitter.com/Daisynmurphy
• Director of Urbanism at Sustrans and working on the central Edinburgh transformation project
• Placemaking - making a better place for people to live, work, play and learn.
• Good city design should be intutive, and the city 'lead you' in a flow through the places you need to go
• Open Streets campaign - https://www.connectingedinburgh.com/open-streets/open-streets-1
• A parent should feel safe for their child to cross the street in a city
• Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo on city design - https://www.citymetric.com/transport/mayor-anne-hidalgo-making-paris-more-friendly-cyclists-and-more-hostile-cars-4885
• 20-minute neighbourhood - all your amenities should be within a 20-minute walk. Therefore fewer cars needed. Builds a stronger sense of community too.
• Melbourne's 20-minute neighbourhoods - https://www.planmelbourne.vic.gov.au/current-projects/20-minute-neighbourhoods
• Dabbawallas - the world's best delivery system - https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/dabbawalas-food-delivery-system-mumbai-india-lunchbox-work-lunch-tiffin-dabbas-a7859701.html
• Invisible Women: https://invisiblewomenbook.co.uk/
• Music: AR Rahman: http://www.arrahman.com/biography.aspx
• VS Naipaul - A Million Mutinies Now - https://www.amazon.co.uk/India-Mutinies-V-S-Naipaul/dp/0330519867/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
• Mumbai's extraordinary laundry system - https://theculturetrip.com/asia/india/articles/awash-with-color-a-visual-tour-of-mumbais-dhobi-ghat/
• I love cycling because it gets me places and I know what time I will arrive
• Bought an e-bike last year
• Calls herself a 'utility cyclist'
• As you grow up in India you become too cool for cycling
• In America cycling was only for recreation
• We need to make it easier to cycle and walk, and harder to make it drive
• There has been a great improvement in urban planning and sustainable planning in the UK
• I am a relentless optimist
• Cities that are designed for women are designed for everyone
• Vienna has consciously tried to design the city from a women's perspective - https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/may/14/city-with-a-female-face-how-modern-vienna-was-shaped-by-women
• Men and women use cities in very different ways, making different journeys
• Lee Craigie is the Active Nation Commissioner - https://www.transport.gov.scot/active-travel/active-nation-commissioner/
• @leecraigie_ https://twitter.com/leecraigie_
• The first part of changing your lens for how you view something is to not take things for granted. Listen and ask 'why?'
• Safety is a big issue for getting more women cycling - well-lit cycle paths etc.
• Without action now the car will become the default socially-distanced means of transport
• In lockdown China went to a huge increase in car usership. Scotland is trying to encourage people to walk and cycle rather than a default setting of 'jump in the car'
• The high street has to be a place where people want to linger, not just pass through.
• Has a spreadsheet of books to read
• Leonard and Hungry Paul: https://bluemoosebooks.com/books/leonard-and-hungry-paul
• The extraordinary ordinary
• To Kill a Mockingbird
• Tom Waits - "You don't meet nice girls in coffee shops" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkpaKx1UUUw
• Cooking Daal - deceptively simple. Have to get the proportions just right, and add the 'tarka' at the end
• Daisy's recommended Daal recipe - https://www.indianhealthyrecipes.com/dal-makhani-recipe/
• Dishoom black daal - https://hotcooking.co.uk/recipes/dishoom-house-black-daal
• Couch to 5k - https://ww...

Mark Davey is the Chief Executive of the Youth Adventure Trust, a charity that uses outdoor adventure to empower young people to fulfil their potential and lead positive lives in the future. They work with them to build resilience, develop confidence and learn skills that will last a lifetime, helping them to face the challenges in their lives. 

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• Youth Adventure Trust website
• Mark once signed his name in the Taj Mahal VIP visitor's book
• Joined the Army aged 19 because it was an outdoors, adventurous job
• Life in the Army teaches you responsibility. It is a swift step into adulthood.
• We wrap our young people in cotton wool and don't allow them to make decisions and responsibility for their own actions.
• Common thread in Mark's adventures is to step out of his comfort zone and tackle things more difficult than he imagined he would be capable of.
• Stretching other people through adventure
• The YAT gives an 'adventure vaccine' to young people - giving them resilience for their difficult real lives
• David Hempleman-Adams - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hempleman-Adams
• Young people often don't have a chance to begin the 'believe-achieve' process
• A lot of the young people who come to the YAT believe they are failing. 
• YAT help children for 3 years between the age of 11 and 16
• YAT is not an adventure-provider; they are a longterm intervention organisation
• YAT has an adventure scheme (3 years) then a mentoring scheme
• Developing resilience, mental toughness and the skills they need for life.
• Poverty of opportunity - a supportive family, transport access etc.
• The ability to trust and communicate are new skills for many of these young people
• As the programme progresses it becomes more about communication and conversation than the adventures themselves
• Making everyone in an organisation feel as though they matter: the key is to build a strong team, delegate and trust, give them resources and let them get on with it. 
• 200 volunteers help YAT and are a key ingredient to the 'magic'
• YAT run lots of corporate challenges and fundraising adventure challenges
• Fundraising and supporters get similar benefits to the young people

Dan Raven-Ellison is a Guerrilla Geographer & Creative Explorer. He led the campaign to make London the world’s first National Park City and is working on a new project called “Slow Ways” to collaboratively create a network of 4,000+ walking routes that connect all of Great Britain’s towns and cities. Walking can improve health and wellbeing, tackle the climate and ecological emergencies, save people money, improve our environment and bring joy to people’s lives.
In 2018 Dan also completed a completed a 100 metre nano-expedition for Friends of the Earth to make The UK in 100 Seconds, a short film that reveals what the United Kingdom looks like in its correct proportions. Each second of the film equals 1% of what the UK looks like from the air.

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• London National Park City - https://www.nationalparkcity.london/
• Slow Ways - https://ravenellison.com/portfolio/slow-ways/
• Banksy's artwork is about putting things 'out of place' and this gets people thinking differently about the world
• Guerrilla gardening and Seed Bombs - https://www.guerrillagardening.org/ggseedbombs.html
• Thinking about, and exploring places in different ways
• Chooses slow burn, disruptive, difficult projects
• When I see things not being done I find it hard not to fill those spaces, even if it takes a few years
• Exploration is about asking questions, searching for answers, being curious. It is about taking risks to find those answers
• We are all explorers and subconscious adventurers
• Enjoys asking "What if?" questions
• The UK in 100 seconds - https://vimeo.com/291108273
• Some of the best things that have happened comes from ridiculous ideas
• Slow Ways - a network of walking routes connecting Britain's towns and cities
• We have 200,000km of access routes in the UK, but they are often neglected now.
• What if we reimagined all these footpaths to make them more useful once again?
• 7000 routes mapped out by 700 volunteers. These can be daisy-chained together.
• If there is a choice between a high route and a low route, the option in Slow Ways should always be the low, easy route.
• 15,000 species, 8 species of bats, one of the most biodiverse regions of the country: Greater London
• Every recognised habitat has national parks - why not cities too?
• We need to recognise the value of urban landscapes and not treat them as less important
• The soft power of love and caring for wildlife can make a big difference to wildlife
• Do Nothing for Nature - great campaign idea: https://makelifebetter.nationalparkcity.london/quest/do_nothing_for_nature
• Map of the London National Park City - https://www.nationalparkcity.london/map
• Map of the Green Spaces of London, in the style of the Tube Map - https://www.nationalparkcity.london/component/content/article/8-place/134-the-greenground-map-by-helen-ilus
• Trees of London map - https://londonist.com/london/maps/great-trees-of-london-map
• Urban Good wants you to explore - https://www.urbangood.org/
• London is full of empty childhoods. Children are an indicator species to the health of a community.
• By not letting kids play outside parents are depriving them of so much (including their health)
• Shifting baseline syndrome
• Childhood needs to be safe enough, but not totally safe
• What if? Why not' is the mantra of NPC
• Why are we not prioritising nature, wildlife, childhoods in our cities?
• We need to open imaginations and also highlight injustices
• The geographies of why different groups of people are not going outside is very complicated and varied - the answers can change from one end of a street to another.
• Other than white men - every other social group is under-represented in nature
• Taking people out into nature and showing them it is an important way to broaden the range of people who experience it
• People like watching nature on TV, but don't really care about it enough to actually care for it
• The power of the story, and giving people epiphanies, is key to getting ideas off the ground
• There is so much to be positive about. 
• Within cities we already have all the talent we need to make changes. The trouble is that the ideas are not spreading quickly enough and for action to take place.
• It often takes years to get to the starting point. 
• It's often about jumping into the void and hoping for the best
• We have very distorted impressions about land use and how much space there is in our countries.
• 5-7% of the country has been built on. 50% is used for agriculture ('milk and cheese')
• Britain is one of the most nature-depleted countries on the planet
• If we were to double the size of all hedgerows and hol...

Anna Hughes is an author, environmental campaigner and cyclist. She has worked in behaviour change and sustainability for over a decade, and is currently Director of Flight Free UK, a campaign set up to encourage people to fly less. After a brief career as a teacher, Anna began working on behaviour change projects for sustainable transport charity Sustrans in 2009. She has since worked as a bicycle mechanic, cycling instructor and workshop leader. Anna lives on a canal boat near London.

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• https://www.annacycles.co.uk/
• https://twitter.com/EatSleepCycle
• https://flightfree.co.uk/
• Lives on a narrowboat on the River Lee
• Canal network - https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/canal-and-river-network
• Adventure came to me the same way it comes to many people - you read stories of other people but don't make that step yourself until you get a push.
• Always been excited that I can always get on my bike, go anywhere I choose, and make an adventure of it
• Sustrans - https://www.sustrans.org.uk/
• National Cycle Network - https://www.sustrans.org.uk/national-cycle-network
• Cycling round the UK - took 6 months of planning.
• 4000 miles round the coast of Britain, from Tower Bridge with the sea on your right.
• Whitby to Robin Hood's Bay on the old railway track - http://www.gps-routes.co.uk/routes/home.nsf/RoutesLinksCycle/whitby-to-robin-hoods-bay-on-the-cinder-track-cycle-route
• The sea has a different feel and different colour in different regions of the UK
• Loved the beaches just north of Aberdeen (as well as the to-be-expected favourite areas of the UK). Massive sand dunes
• Slow down and find the extraordinary in the ordinary
• Cycled round the UK, despite hating camping. "I didn't go on a camping trip, I went on a cycling trip."
• Still fits a pillow in her panniers
• Being a solo woman, people wanted to help her. You are less threatening as a woman.
• You really can just be an ordinary woman with an idea and the wherewithal to make it happen.
• Kate Rawles - https://www.outdoorphilosophy.co.uk/
• Emily Chappell - http://thatemilychappell.com/about/
• Sailing around Britain very different to cycling around Britain. Didn't really enjoy it and found it very hard. It wasn't her own adventure.
• Then We Sailed Away - John Ridgway
• Not flying does not mean not travelling. There are so many wonderful places accessible by train and boat
• It's about seeing what you can do, not what you can't do: getting there without flying can add to your experience. It's a geography lesson and a slow way of feeling your way through landscapes and cultures.
• A train that goes on a ferry - https://www.packthesuitcases.com/copenhagen-to-hamburg-train-ferry-adventure/
• I don't want to do something if it causes waste.
• The age of stupid movie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZjsJdokC0s
• Just doing my own thing isn't enough - I need to influence behaviour change in other people as well
• Flightfree2020 - https://flightfree.co.uk
• Tom Allen on going flight free - https://tomallen.info/can-flight-free-living-and-adventure-travel-really-co-exist/
• Key things we can do to help the climate: stop flying; stop driving; plant-based diet; green energy; fast fashion
• Switch energy provider to Bulb. You'll get £50, and I will give £50 to FlightFree2020: www.bulb.me/alastairh3634
• Bam clothing - https://bambooclothing.co.uk/
• Anna has decided not to have children for climate reasons
• Population is an incredibly important subject when we are talking about climate change
• Individual action v System change - https://flightfree.co.uk/post/individual-action-vs-system-change/
• There is no tax on aviation fuel! Climate crime.
• By buying a plane ticket we are saying "I am OK with this - business as usual"
• New sleeper train from Prague to Croatia
• Sweden is more climate-alert. 9% drop in air travel last year.
• We as consumers can demonstrate to government the actions we want to see
• Offsetting doesn't lead to climate change behaviour. It gives us a licence to carry on our behaviour.
• CheatNeutral.com (archived site) - https://web.archive.org/web/20080517053651/http://cheatneutral.com/
• Look at your own carbon footprint and see ...

Steve Denby is the founder of Primal Roots, a social enterprise that believes in the restorative power of fitness and nature as a tool to achieve more than just improvements in health and wellbeing. We talk about training in the woods, the joy of burpees, the benefits of nature and fitness for people struggling in life, as well as cocaine addiction, adoption, racism and meditation.

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• www.primalroots.org.uk
• Steve also teaches meditation classes
• If you say you're too busy for something, that means it's not a priority to you.
• He hasn't met anybody who won't benefit from meditation
• If you get 1-second of emptiness in a 10-minute session that's successul
• Headspace - https://www.headspace.com/
• He has spent a lot of life working both in gyms and outdoors
• You wake up in a box, you go to work in a box... and eventually they carry you away in a box
• Linear muscle-building in not functional in any way
• Humans are designed to pull, climb, push, roll, lift awkward shapes
• For 51, I'm a fit young man
• Deadlifting logs, leaping over logs, push-ups, running in the woods
• Your body goes back to its roots, goes primal
• Groups - competitiveness, camaraderie, conversation
• No judgement - a big mixture of fit people and unfit or overweight people
• Primal Roots target unfit people
• Taking mirrors away would help more people feel comfortable in gyms
• Primal Roots is a social enterprise. It attracts paying customers who go towards supporting non-paying customers
• They support vulnerable adults caught up in addiction and repetitive behaviours. Also homeless people.
• Porchlight, Homeless charity - https://www.porchlight.org.uk/
• Do training sessions in prisons as well
• Appreciates the benefits of barefoot exercise
• All the sessions are together, a mixture of paying and non-paying customers
• Push to the edge of the comfort zone and emotional things happen - people start to open up and connect
• Primal Roots are not the solution, but they are part of the solution
• People like to belong to something
• Was a functioning cocaine addict for many years
• We talked about the barriers to the outdoors Steve faced as a non-white man
• Noticing an increasing number of black people joining Primal Roots
• Promoting well-being, fitness, fun, community, healthy eating, feeling good (and by the way you'll lose some weight too)
• The Scouts were Steve's intro into the outdoor world. The Scout leaders were his inspiration
• Used to use a projection of wealth to impress people. Now his ambition is to leave a legacy for his children to say "Dad, I'm proud of you"