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  • The Use of Touch in Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapy: A Tricky Topic

    Dr. Signi Goldman, MD, is a board-certified psychiatrist and the Co-founder and Medical Director of Living Medicine Institute, which offers psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy training programs. As a certified provider for psychedelic-assisted therapy and research, she has practiced in various clinical settings, including hospital systems and alternative treatment settings. Dr. Goldman also serves as a Psychiatrist and Psychotherapist for Concierge Medicine and Psychiatry's Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy Program for Mental Health.

    Dr. Sandra Newes (Sandy) is a Licensed Psychologist with over 25 years of clinical experience. She is the Co-founder of the Living Medicine Institute, offering training and resources to therapists and medical professionals. A full-time KAP provider since 2019, she has facilitated more than 600 ketamine-assisted psychotherapy sessions. Her approach integrates evidence-based psychotherapy with trauma-informed, somatic, and experiential practices, bringing warmth, curiosity, and extensive clinical expertise to her work.

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    Touch in therapy is a complex and often controversial topic, especially in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, where clients are in highly vulnerable states. While some therapists fear the ethical risks of using touch, avoiding it altogether can mean missing a critical tool for grounding and healing. How can practitioners navigate this delicate balance while ensuring client safety and trust?

    Psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy trainers Dr. Signi Goldman and Dr. Sandy Newes emphasize the importance of clear consent, ethical considerations, and trauma awareness. While some clients — particularly women with trauma histories — may be more cautious about physical contact, others may seek out safe, grounding touch from male therapists as part of their healing process, so therapists should balance masculine and feminine energy accordingly. For clients who are hesitant about direct touch, Dr. Goldman and Dr. Newes suggest allowing them to place a hand on their own body first, with the option for the therapist to add gentle contact on top if desired.

    In today's episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Signi Goldman and Dr. Sandy Newes of Living Medicine Institute discuss the ethical use of touch in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy sessions. Together, they talk about somatic touch interventions, strategies for working with veterans and first responders, and how to match touch intensity to emotional distress.

    32 min
  • Michael Mithoefer: The Non-Directive Approach Takes Actual Work

    Michael Mithoefer, MD, is a clinical psychologist and the Senior Medical Director for Medical Affairs, Training, and Supervision at the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). He specializes in treating PTSD with experimental psychotherapy through clinical research and outpatient clinical practice. Between 2004 and 2018, Michael and his wife Annie completed two of the six MAPS-sponsored Phase II clinical trials testing MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD.

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    Therapists new to the psychedelic psychotherapy space are often uncertain about how to support clients effectively during altered states. Should they remain silent and allow the medicine to do the work, or should they actively guide the session with interventions? Misconceptions about the "non-directive approach" often leave practitioners unsure of their role, leading to either over-involvement or complete disengagement. How can therapists balance presence and intervention?

    As a psychiatrist and researcher specializing in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, Michael Mithoefer explains that the therapist's role is not to impose structure but to follow the client's inner healing intelligence. He outlines three key principles: only intervene when necessary, provide time for natural processing, and always frame suggestions as invitations rather than directives. Additionally, he highlights the importance of relational safety, regular check-ins, and the integration of somatic interventions to help clients navigate difficult emotional and physical manifestations of trauma during their sessions.

    In this week's episode of Living Medicine, Michael Mithoefer, the Senior Medical Director for Medical Affairs, Training, and Supervision at the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), returns to talk with Dr. Signi Goldman about guiding internal-directed healing during psychedelic therapy sessions. Michael discusses the importance of checking in with clients regularly during sessions, how therapist training and personal psychedelic experiences influence psychedelic therapy facilitation, and when to intervene during MDMA sessions.

    1 hr 12 min
  • Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy for Trauma: Some Healthy Debates

    Dr. Signi Goldman, MD, is a board-certified psychiatrist and the Co-founder and Medical Director of Living Medicine Institute, which offers psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy training programs. As a certified provider for psychedelic-assisted therapy and research, she has practiced in various clinical settings, including hospital systems and alternative treatment settings. Dr. Goldman also serves as a Psychiatrist and Psychotherapist for Concierge Medicine and Psychiatry's Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy Program for Mental Health.

    Dr. Sandra Newes (Sandy) is a Licensed Psychologist with over 25 years of clinical experience. She is the Co-founder of the Living Medicine Institute, offering training and resources to therapists and medical professionals. A full-time KAP provider since 2019, she has facilitated more than 600 ketamine-assisted psychotherapy sessions. Her approach integrates evidence-based psychotherapy with trauma-informed, somatic, and experiential practices, bringing warmth, curiosity, and extensive clinical expertise to her work.

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    Trauma therapy is a complex and often debated field, with professionals holding differing views on the best approaches. Some therapists prioritize exposure, helping clients directly engage with painful memories, while others focus on resourcing to build a sense of safety and well-being. When ketamine is introduced into trauma work, how does it shape the healing process, and what approach leads to the most effective outcomes?

    Psychedelic therapy training professionals Dr. Signi Goldman and Dr. Sandy Newes and training students Barbara Connold, Barrie Bondurant, and Amy (Maiima) Nicholson explain that ketamine-assisted psychotherapy facilitates a balance between exposure and resourcing. Clients often toggle between processing traumatic material and deepening into states of well-being without direct therapist intervention. During ketamine-assisted therapy sessions, therapists should practice tethering to ensure clients feel supported, manage disassociation as a therapeutic tool rather than a barrier, and assess a client's readiness for deeper trauma work. Dr. Goldman, Dr. Sandy, Barbara, Barrie, and Amy also underscore the importance of preparation and integration, ensuring clients develop resilience and maintain stability between sessions.

    In this episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Signi Goldman and Dr. Sandy Newes interview Barbara Connold, PMHNP, of Ketamine Psychotherapy Associates, Barrie Bondurant, PhD, LC, and Amy (Maiima) Nicholson, about the intersection of ketamine and trauma therapy. Together, they share insights on managing client dysregulation, the relational aspects of ketamine-assisted therapy, and strategies for balancing exposure with resourcing.

    1 hr 4 min
  • Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy and Physician Burnout

    Mel Herbert is the Founder and CEO of EM: RAP (Emergency Medicine: Reviews and Perspectives), which provides engaging, high-quality educational content for emergency care providers. As a renowned emergency medicine physician, he established the nonprofit EM: RAP GO to extend emergency medical training to underserved communities. Mel is also the author of The Extraordinary Power of Being Average.

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    As the demands of emergency medicine take a heavy toll on clinicians, many struggle with depression and anxiety, often finding little relief in traditional treatments. For medical professionals seeking solutions, could ketamine therapy provide a breakthrough in combating burnout and restoring mental well-being?

    After struggling with severe depression and suicidal ideation and failing to find relief with conventional medications, emergency medicine physician Mel Herbert turned to ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, which he describes as life-changing. Ketamine lifted his depression and reshaped his brain's neural pathways, allowing him to experience joy and gratitude in ways he hadn't for decades. However, Mel warns against the dangers of unregulated ketamine use, stressing the importance of controlled administration with a professional therapist, proper dosing, and integration therapy.

    In this episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Sandy Newes interviews Mel Herbert, the Founder and CEO of EM: RAP (Emergency Medicine: Reviews and Perspectives), about his experience with ketamine therapy for professional burnout. Together, they discuss training considerations for professionals entering the ketamine-assisted psychotherapy field, how providers customize treatment to patient needs, and the ideal candidates for ketamine-assisted psychotherapy.

    1 hr 1 min
  • Beyond Healing: Consciousness Expansion With Psychedelic Medicine

    Dr. Keith Heinzerling, MD, is the Director of the Pacific Treatment and Research in Psychedelics (TRIP) program at the Pacific Neuroscience Institute, where he develops psychedelic-assisted therapies for conditions such as addiction, depression, anxiety, and PTSD. He is also an Internal Medicine and Addiction Medicine Specialist at the Pacific Brain Health Center at the Pacific Neuroscience Institute, focusing his clinical research on treating alcohol, drug, and substance use problems. Before joining the Pacific Neuroscience Institute, Dr. Heinzerling was an Associate Professor in the UCLA Department of Family Medicine and a founding member of the UCLA Comprehensive Chronic Pain Integrated Practice Unit.

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    Psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy offers a paradigm shift to treating mental health conditions beyond traditional pharmacotherapy. However, integrating these treatments into mainstream medicine presents challenges, including regulatory hurdles. How can professionals balance scientific rigor with the profound and spiritual experiences that psychedelics induce?

    Dr. Keith Heinzerling believes that psychedelics offer more than just symptom relief; they provide a pathway to deeper healing and consciousness expansion. These medicines facilitate access to core psychological and emotional issues, allowing patients to process trauma, reconnect with their sense of self, and cultivate a greater awareness of their place in the world. Unlike conventional psychiatric treatments that focus on symptom suppression, psychedelic medicine fosters transformation by dissolving rigid mental patterns and opening individuals to new perspectives. Dr. Heinzerling maintains that this approach requires careful guidance, integration, and a framework that respects both the scientific and spiritual dimensions of these experiences.

    In this week's episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Keith Heinzerling, the Director of the Pacific Treatment and Research in Psychedelics (TRIP) program at the Pacific Neuroscience Institute, joins Dr. Sandy Newes to talk about psychedelic healing as an alternative to traditional medicine. Dr. Heinzerling discusses his psychedelic spiritual activation retreats, the barriers to FDA approval for integrating psychedelic medicine into clinical settings, and how to conduct research for ketamine-assisted psychotherapy.

    54 min
  • Clinician to Clinician: Bill Richards' Fun and Good Advice

    Bill Richards, PhD, is the Co-founder and Senior Advisor at Sunstone Therapies, which delivers psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy in medical settings. In his role, he oversees, guides, and trains new therapists from educational, medical, and religious perspectives. Bill is also a Clinical Psychologist at the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. With over five decades of experience researching psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, Bill focuses on its legal and safe integration into palliative care for cancer patients.

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    Psychedelic-assisted therapy enables patients to access profound states of consciousness, which can facilitate healing and self-discovery. How can therapists create the optimal environment for such breakthroughs while maintaining ethical and supportive practices?

    Bill Richards, an early pioneer in psychedelic research, emphasizes the importance of trust, attunement, and presence in therapeutic settings. Psychedelics like psilocybin and ketamine unlock the psyche's capacity for healing, but therapists must provide a grounding presence and guide patients through challenging emotional terrain. By fostering openness and curiosity and remaining neutral, therapists can support clients in exploring fear, grief, and transcendence, often leading to transformative shifts in perspective and self-understanding.

    In this week's episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Signi Goldman sits down with Bill Richards, PhD, the Co-founder and Senior Advisor at Sunstone Therapies, to discuss how therapists can navigate clients' alternate states effectively. Bill explains why rationality doesn't work in psychedelic states, the concepts in his book, Scared Knowledge, and the role of somatic sensations and touch in psychedelic therapies.

    1 hr 13 min
  • Perspectives on Psychedelic Research, Clinical Trials, and Continuing To Connect From The Heart

    Manish Agrawal, MD, is the Co-founder and CEO of Sunstone Therapies, the leader in the delivery of psychedelic-assisted therapies in the medical setting. Dr. Agrawal brings an extensive academic, clinical, and research background and depth of experience to Sunstone that spans medicine, engineering, philosophy, and ethics. Driven by a deep interest in healing, Dr. Agrawal is particularly passionate about whole-person healing and the transformative potential of psychedelic therapies. Manish previously held the position of Co-director of Clinical Research at Maryland Oncology Hematology, where he dedicated 18 years to the care of cancer patients.

    Dr. Agrawal completed his Residency in Internal Medicine at Georgetown University Medical Center, where he was also a Fellow in Health Care Research and Policy and Bioethics. He earned his MA in philosophy from Georgetown University and an MSc in clinical research from Duke University. He earned a Fellowship where he was appointed Chief Fellow at the National Cancer Institute, National Institutes of Health, and Hematology and Medical Oncology. He also completed a Fellowship in Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health Clinical Center and was the first fellow accepted into both fellowships.

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    Psychedelic-assisted therapy is revolutionizing the treatment of mental health conditions, but its integration into medical practice raises significant methodological and operational challenges. How can researchers develop rigorous protocols while addressing the unique demands of this innovative therapy?

    Oncology specialist and researcher Dr. Manish Agrawal, MD, pioneers psychedelic-assisted therapy in clinical settings. Conventional clinical trials, focused on standard medical interventions, struggle to accommodate the multidimensional nature of therapy-assisted psychedelics. To navigate these challenges, Dr. Agrawal refined methodologies to integrate therapeutic preparation, ongoing support, and post-session integration into their protocols. Clinical approaches must emphasize patient safety and trust, which are critical for the profound emotional states induced by substances like psilocybin and ketamine. Additionally, trials should incorporate validated scales alongside qualitative insights to bridge the gap between scientific rigor and therapeutic nuance.

    On today's episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Sandy Newes hosts Dr. Manish Agrawal, MD, the Co-founder and CEO of Sunstone Therapies, to discuss clinical trials in psychedelic therapy research. Dr. Agrawal talks about balancing the risks and benefits of psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, his transition from oncology to psychedelic therapy, and the limitations of this groundbreaking research.

    44 min
  • A Mindfulness Expert Talks Psychedelics: Dr. Ron Siegel

    Dr. Ron Siegel is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at Harvard Medical School, where he has taught for over 40 years. As a clinical psychologist in private practice, he has worked with low-income children and families, treated adults with chronic pain and stress disorders, and provided mindfulness-oriented psychotherapy. Dr. Siegel has written and edited several books, including Mindfulness and Psychotherapy, The Mindfulness Solution, Sitting Together, and Wisdom and Compassion in Psychotherapy.

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    Psychedelics offer the potential to address the brain's evolutionary tendencies that contribute to emotional distress. While essential for survival in early human history, these propensities often lead to modern challenges like anxiety, depression, and low self-esteem. Mindfulness and psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy provide tools to counteract these harmful patterns. How can psychotherapists leverage these practices to combat ingrained mental habits and improve psychological well-being?

    Mindfulness-based psychotherapist Dr. Ron Siegel describes the four survival-driven tendencies as danger avoidance, negativity bias, a fixed self-concept, and social comparison. Psychedelics disrupt negative thought cycles, enabling individuals to connect with deeper aspects of their consciousness and identity. By integrating mindfulness practices, individuals can maintain the insights gained from psychedelic experiences, grounding them in a broader awareness of the present moment rather than harmful thought streams. This combination helps reframe emotional struggles as transient and fluid, reducing their perceived permanence.

    In the latest episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Sandy Newes hosts Dr. Ron Siegel to talk about integrating mindfulness practices with psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. Dr. Siegel explains the difference between fight or flight and somatic interventions, how the brain has evolved through human existence, and how to expand traditional notions of consciousness.

    1 hr 9 min
  • How We Can Hurt: Psychedelic Psychotherapy and Harm

    Derek Rinaldo, MA, LCMHC, and LCAS-A, is the Owner of Clear Life Counseling, where he specializes in counseling men with anxiety, depression, trauma, addiction, and relationship issues. He is also a Psychedelic-Assisted Psychotherapist at Living Medicine Institute. As a licensed clinical mental health counselor, Derek provides various styles and training in breathwork.

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    New providers entering the field of psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy often underestimate the complexities of working with these powerful substances. While the enthusiasm for psychedelics is growing, concerns about inadequate training, improper screening, and insufficient follow-up care remain under-addressed. What are the essential skills, ethical considerations, and safeguards clinicians must adopt to ensure safety and successful patient outcomes in this emerging field?

    Psychedelic psychotherapy provider and therapist Derek Rinaldo emphasizes the importance of peer support, supervision, and self-regulation for clinicians working in this space. Providers should build robust referral networks for clients requiring additional psychiatric or medical care and develop strong therapeutic relationships to navigate complex cases. While psychedelic therapy can provide immense healing benefits, it can also cause harm if executed improperly, so Derek urges clinicians to prioritize ethical integration practices, safety, and continuous learning to guide clients through their psychedelic journeys responsibly.

    In today's episode of Living Medicine, Dr. Signi Goldman interviews Derek Rinaldo, MA, LCMHC, and LCAS-A, of Clear Life Counseling, about the risks associated with psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. Together, they explore the potential downfalls of integration, the categories of harm in psychedelic psychotherapy, and the difference between authentic therapeutic outcomes and recreational psychedelic use.

    1 hr
  • Exploring Psychedelic Sobriety With Dr. Rick Barnett

    Dr. Rick Barnett is the Owner and Clinical Psychologist at BPS Health, LLC, a private online and in-person CBT practice. As the Co-founder of the Psychedelic Society of Vermont, he has been trained in psychedelic therapy and research, focusing on MDMA, psilocybin, and ketamine. Dr. Barnett is also an alcohol and drug addiction counselor.

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    In recent years, there has been a growing interest in psychedelic drug uses for mental health and addiction treatments. With evolving perspectives and beliefs about its use in psychotherapeutic settings, many clinicians are at odds about the potential benefits and risks. How can you navigate therapeutic use and potential misuse of these treatment methods?

    With personal and professional experiences with psychedelics, Dr. Rick Barnett maintains that these therapies can facilitate profound personal growth, trauma integration, and addiction recovery in both clinical and nonclinical settings. By creating curated and safe environments with trained professionals, individuals can navigate deeply impactful experiences, often achieving shifts in awareness and healing. When utilizing psychedelics for addiction treatments, Dr. Barnett advocates for a balanced approach that blends harm reduction and abstinence-based philosophies to redefine recovery.

    Tune in to the latest episode of Living Medicine as Dr. Sandy Newes hosts Dr. Rick Barnett, the Owner and Clinical Psychologist at BPS Health, LLC, to discuss psychedelic's evolving role in addiction treatment and recovery. He shares his thoughts on at-home versus in-office ketamine treatments, his in-depth research and personal experience with 5-MeO-DMT, and how to leverage various psychedelics for separate treatments.

    1 hr 1 min

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