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This week on Love & other assets, we had the pleasure of speaking with Shang Saavedra, founder and CEO of Save My Cents, a financial coaching business focused on the intersection of mental health and financial well-being. Shang, along with her husband, achieved financial independence and retired early (FIRE) by the age of 31, a feat she attributes to a combination of frugal living and strategic investing. Their journey wasn't always smooth sailing; Shang openly discussed the challenges of balancing her desire for a comfortable lifestyle with her husband's more extreme frugal approach. This highlights a common struggle for many couples: navigating differing financial philosophies.
Shang shared insightful anecdotes about their early days, from living in a tiny, rent-stabilized apartment in New York City to making strategic use of credit card points and miles for travel. She emphasizes that extreme frugality wasn't their initial plan, but rather a result of a conscious decision to live off a single income to mitigate the potential career impacts of motherhood. This led to their unexpected early retirement.
The conversation then shifted to identifying red flags in relationships, particularly concerning financial transparency. Shang noted that a reluctance to discuss finances openly can be a significant warning sign, emphasizing the importance of open communication about money, a topic often avoided but crucial for a successful partnership. She suggested a clever way to gauge a partner's financial habits: planning a vacation together. This seemingly simple activity reveals much about budgeting, spending habits, and decision-making styles.
Shang also discussed the evolving nature of their financial partnership, highlighting the importance of compromise and trust. Initially using separate "no questions asked" budgets, they gradually developed a deeper understanding and trust, leading to shared financial decisions. This evolution highlights that financial harmony in a relationship is an ongoing process, not a destination. The episode concludes with practical advice for couples on setting shared goals, prioritizing childcare and schooling plans, and navigating potential career adjustments after having children. Shang's emphasis on self-worth and combating the pressure of societal comparisons adds another layer of crucial mental support needed for successful financial planning.
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Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an wealth platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Shang Saavedra: Website| LinkedIn |Instagram
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
The New York Post
Tumi
Save My Cents
Wealth is a Mindset
In this episode of Love & other assets, Emily Luk, CEO of Plenty, interviews writer and podcast host Deanna deBara. Deanna shares her personal experiences with financial "stuckness" and offers insights on how to navigate it, both individually and within relationships. She defines stuckness as the uncomfortable in-between place when your old ways don't work, but the new ones haven't yet emerged.
Deanna opens up about her past struggles with financial literacy and instability. She emphasizes the importance of compassion and self-education when confronting financial difficulties. Deanna stresses that you can't shame yourself into change, but compassion can be a catalyst for progress. She highlights the significance of understanding your relationship with money and having open conversations about finances with partners.
They discuss how different personalities approach money, and how these differences can lead to conflict within relationships. Deanna emphasizes the importance of open communication, compromise, and a willingness to grow together and let go of past resentments. Deanna explains the need to regulate nervous systems, and taking breaks during difficult conversations, when these triggers happen. She shares her personal ritual of writing down resentments to release them.
Deanna also shares insights on supporting a partner who feels stuck. She encourages empathy and holding space for their feelings, while also empowering them to find their own path forward. She underscores the need to differentiate between being "stuck" and facing mental health challenges. She closes by discussing the importance of having shared vision and being supportive of each other's differences and goals.
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Ready to get unstuck, together? Download this episode and prepare for some eye-opening conversations!
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is a wealth platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Deanna deBara: Website| LinkedIn
Connect with Emily Luk: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
Season of stuck
In this episode of Love & other assets, host Emily Luk sits down with her co-founder and husband, Channing Allen, and Plenty advisor, Esther Perel. Esther, a New York Times bestselling author and globally recognized voice on relationships, joins the conversation to explore the intersection of love, money, and power dynamics.
The episode begins with personal anecdotes from Emily and Channing about their own financial journey as a couple, from the early days of splitting bills to navigating shared expenses and different income levels. Esther offers profound insights into the emotional underpinnings of financial decisions, explaining how money serves as both a practical and symbolic element in relationships.
Key topics include the role of power dynamics in financial decisions, the concept of fairness in partnerships, and the importance of finding a balance between togetherness and individuality. Esther emphasizes that while money often creates tension, the way couples communicate about it can either exacerbate or resolve conflicts.
The discussion also delves into the value of transparency, the significance of shared goals, and the evolving cultural norms around financial independence and interdependence. Emily and Channing share how they’ve used humor and open dialogue to manage differences, while Esther reframes money management as a relational skill that grows alongside the partnership.
This episode is a must-listen for couples navigating the complexities of love, money, and modern relationships.
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Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an wealth management platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
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PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
CHAPTERS
(1:50) Money and relationship dynamics
(3:04) Financial transparency and discomforts in relationships
(6:08) The emotional narrative of money
(9:03) Defining fairness in shared finances
(11:20) Navigating difficult financial conversation
(14:06) Cultural legacies and masculinity in financial roles
(17:13) Family values and spending habits
(20:18) Abundance versus scarcity mentalities
(21:47) Saving versus spending conflicts in couples
(22:36) Strategies for conflict-free money communication
(30:34) Navigating power and independence in financial relationships
(36:06) The importance of financial transparency
(41:14) Managing unexpected financial changes
(42:36) Financial privacy versus secrecy
(45:39) Establishing principles for financial decisions
(46:16) Regular financial check-ins and reviews
(48:07) Effective financial frameworks for couples
(54:09) Balancing individual and shared goals
(57:44) The importance of prenups
(1:03:38) Connecting with your future self financially
(1:07:12) Conversations about money and family background
(1:12:31) Final advice for newly married couples about money
In our upcoming episode of Love & other assets, Esther shares her expertise on how money dynamics shape relationships, from the balance of power and control to shared values and long-term goals. The conversation touches on how couples can navigate financial differences, redefine fairness, and find harmony between individuality and togetherness. Emily and Channing share personal stories from their journey as co-founders and partners, illustrating how communication, trust, and humor can transform challenging money conversations into opportunities for growth. The episode will be available on December 12th.
In this episode of Love & other assets, Emily Luk speaks with venture capitalist Mark Peter Davis about the world of alternative investments and how it's becoming more accessible to everyday families. Mark is Managing Partner of Interplay Ventures, and is a NYC-based venture capitalist, entrepreneur, author, and startup community organizer. Mark, with his deep understanding of the venture capital landscape, shares insights into the changing dynamics of the industry over the past two decades, highlighting the increasing accessibility for entrepreneurs and the shift towards outsourcing and lighter operating structures. He also delves into the complexities of family offices, explaining their secretive nature and varied investment styles.
The conversation then explores the concept of alternative investments, defining it as a catch-all for anything that's not stocks or bonds, and discussing the potential benefits and risks involved. Mark shares his perspective on the shift towards democratizing access to alternative investments for everyday households, acknowledging the challenges and potential pitfalls, and provides valuable advice on how couples in their thirties can approach allocating funds to these investments. The episode concludes with Mark's insights on the most impactful alternative investments he's backed and his belief in the power of careful investment for social good.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to demystify the world of alternative investments and understand how they can work for everyday families.
What we discussed
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an investment platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Mark Peter Davis: Website| LinkedIn |X
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
David Swensen
Interplay
Thunder VC
Figure AI
Stripe
SpaceX
In this episode of Love & other assets, Emily Luk, CEO and co-founder of Plenty, welcomes Scott Rick, a marketing professor at the University of Michigan's Ross School of Business. Rick, who specializes in the psychology of money and relationships, delves into his research on tightwads and spendthrifts, the two distinct spending styles that often clash in romantic relationships.
Rick explores the dynamics of different combinations of these spending styles in relationships. Two tightwads tend to be safe and stable but might lack excitement and novelty. Mismatched couples, with one tightwad and one spendthrift, can experience more arguments over money, but Rick suggests strategies to navigate these disagreements, such as letting the tightwad win on material purchases and the spendthrift on shared experiences. Two spendthrifts can be explosive and prone to debt, but they might also enjoy a more adventurous lifestyle.
Rick delves into the complexities of mismatched incomes in relationships, highlighting the importance of a "we earn" mentality and joint accounts to avoid scorekeeping and foster a sense of partnership. He stresses that even in relationships with different income levels, everyone should have some personal money to spend independently.
Rick also shares his insights on gift giving, emphasizing the significance of surprise and thoughtful gifts that reveal an understanding of the partner's interests and aspirations. He argues that gifts should involve some sacrifice, highlighting the psychological impact of a tightwad's willingness to spend money on their partner.
The episode concludes with Rick's current research on tightwads and spendthrifts by state, exploring potential political connections and the impact on spending habits. He also mentions his ongoing research on prenuptial agreements
What we discussed:
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an investment platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Scott Rick: Website| LinkedIn
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
Ask Ronna
Tight Wads and Spendthrifts: Navigating the Money Minefield in Real Relationships
In this episode of Love & other assets, Emily welcomes Daniel Goldstein, co-founder and COO of Trust & Will, the leading online estate planning company. Daniel shares his journey to starting Trust & Will, fueled by the realization that there was no easy online solution for estate planning, a common need for millennials navigating milestones like parenthood and homeownership.
The conversation delves into the insights from Trust & Will’s study on millennials and estate planning, revealing a significant communication gap between millennials and their parents about estate planning. Daniel attributes this gap to inertia, generational differences in money conversations, and the financial squeeze millennials are facing.
Daniel unpacks the key life milestones that trigger estate planning for many millennials, emphasizing the importance of taking action even when facing a limited net worth. Trust & Will’s user-friendly platform, designed for a digitally native audience, has proven to be highly effective in making estate planning accessible and affordable.
The conversation includes a practical breakdown of the trust vs. will process, debunking common misconceptions about the need for substantial wealth to utilize these tools. Finally, Daniel shares insights on the growing importance of digital estate planning, particularly for Gen Z, and the increasing partnership between Trust & Will and financial advisors.
What we discussed
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an investment platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Daniel Goldstein: Website| LinkedIn
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
Trust & Will
LegalZoom
LPL Financial
Trust & Will's millennial estate planning study
The Great Wealth Transfer
In this episode of the love & other assets podcast, Emily Luk, CEO and co-founder of Plenty, sits down with Micaela Beltran, co-founder of Courtly, an online marriage platform. They discuss Micaela's journey from New York City native to Manila-based entrepreneur, her experience building Kaya Collaborative, a social enterprise connecting Filipino diaspora youth with volunteer opportunities in the Philippines, and her transition into the startup world.
Micaela shares insights on building a company with international talent, the benefits and challenges of remote work, and how Courtly makes marriage accessible to everyone, regardless of location, nationality, or sexuality. They also discuss how today's generation views marriage differently, with increased emphasis on personalization and fluidity.
The conversation touches on the evolution of wedding traditions, the growing popularity of online ceremonies, and the challenges and highlights of building a startup in a gray area of marriage law. Finally, Micaela reveals her excitement for the future of Courtly, including plans to expand its services beyond online marriage and become a comprehensive family services business.
What we discussed:
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an investment platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Micaela Beltran: Website |LinkedIn
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
Courtly: An online marriage platform
Kaya Collaborative
Notpot
Deel
In this episode of Love & other assets, Emily Luk, CEO & co-founder of Plenty, talks with Ed Coambs, a financial therapist who helps couples turn their love and money stories into happily-ever-afters. Ed Coambs MBA, MA, MS, CFP®, CFT-I™, is an internationally recognized thought leader and award-winning author in financial therapy. He leads couples through Therapy-Informed Financial Planning™ from financial despair and frustration into financial intimacy and connection using the latest in love, brain and financial planning science. His ideas appear in the Wall Street Journal, the Associated Press, Time, and CNBC. He earned master's degrees in business, counseling, and financial planning. He is a licensed marriage and family therapist, Certified Financial Planner™, and Certified Financial Therapist-I™.
Ed's journey is fascinating. He started as a firefighter, then got an MBA and became a financial advisor, only to find his true calling in helping people understand their psychological relationship with money. His career path reveals the profound interconnectedness of our inner world and our financial choices.
We delve into the often-difficult conversation about money in relationships, uncovering why it's so tricky and what we can do about it. Ed shares valuable insights into how childhood experiences shape attachment styles, impacting how we relate to money and our partners.
What we discussed:
This episode is packed with practical advice and insights that can help you transform your relationship with money and your partner. Don't miss it!
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an investment platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Ed Coambs: Website| LinkedIn | Instagram
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | Twitter/X
PEOPLE & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Channing Allen
Financial Therapy Clinical Institute
Financial Therapy Association
Attachment Theory
Mindfulness practices
This episode of Love & other assets dives deep into the emotional world of money with Aja Evans, a board-certified therapist specializing in financial therapy. Emily and Aja discuss how our upbringing and personal experiences shape our relationship with money. They explore the common thought patterns that keep people from engaging with their finances openly and honestly, like feeling inadequate for not knowing more about money or fearing the potential for financial instability.
Aja shares practical tips for starting conversations about money with your partner, emphasizing the importance of labeling your feelings, using "I statements" to avoid blame, and understanding where your money beliefs stem from. She highlights the benefits of having separate funds for individual spending, even when sharing a joint account, as a way to foster trust and security within a relationship.
The conversation also touches on the importance of financial transparency, whether it's sharing access to your individual accounts or having a shared platform for tracking finances. This transparency, Aja argues, can help build a stronger foundation for couples, allowing them to navigate financial decisions with more trust and understanding.
Throughout the episode, Emily and Aja address common fears and anxieties around money, from the fear of making mistakes to the feeling of being behind financially compared to others. They offer advice for managing these emotions and focusing on creating a financial future that aligns with your values and goals.
This episode is a must-listen for couples who are ready to break down financial barriers and build a strong foundation for a shared financial future.
What We Discuss:
Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Brought to you by Plenty. Plenty is an investment platform designed specifically for couples to build wealth, together. We go beyond budgeting, making it simple to invest, save and grow towards your future goals by unlocking access to the financial strategies of the wealthy.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Aja Evans: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn |
Connect with Emily Luke: Website | LinkedIn | Twitter
Plenty: Website | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube |
Financial Therapy Association: Website | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn| Twitter
PEOPLE MENTIONED
Channing Allen
UBS
Noma
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