Filiberto Amati, Founder of ‪AmatiAssociates‬ and Head of Partnerships at MAFFEO DRINKS, is a veteran of major spirits companies, including Campari and Di Saronno.

He dissects the post-COVID reality facing the spirits industry, revealing how the pandemic created a temporary "shock" that artificially inflated off-trade volumes while disrupting traditional brand-building pathways.

Drawing from his deep beverage industry expertise, Filiberto explains how consumption patterns are realigning to pre-pandemic trends—exposing brands that gained artificial traction during lockdowns without building genuine on-trade education or loyalty.

The conversation explores how consumers increasingly practice "zebra-striping"—switching between categories within the same occasion—why cultural movements drive successful brand rituals from Aperol's orange visual cue to Corona's lime mythology, and how route-to-market consolidation is reshaping competitive dynamics across the fragmented spirits landscape.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Introduction and COVID Impact Context
• 03:45 Post-Pandemic Volume Normalization
• 09:20 On-Trade Education Crisis Analysis
• 16:15 Off-Trade vs On-Trade Dynamics
• 23:30 Category Blurification and Zebra Striping Occasions
• 28:45 Route-to-Market Consolidation Trends

Filiberto Amati, Founder of Amati & Associates and Head of Partnerships at MAFFEO DRINKS, is a veteran of major spirits companies, including Campari and Di Saronno.

He dissects the seismic "shrink for growth" transformation, reshaping the global spirits industry.

Drawing from his deep FMCG expertise, Filiberto explains how spirits companies are finally adopting consolidation strategies that transformed consumer goods giants two decades ago—moving from "economies of scale" obsessions to a strategic "economies of scope" focus.

As Campari divests Cinzano, Brown-Forman sells Finlandia, and Diageo sells Pampero Rum, Filiberto reveals how this isn't random portfolio shuffling but a calculated response to activist investor pressure and economic uncertainty.

The conversation explores if mega-mergers are likely in the fragmented spirits industry, how mid-tier players like Gruppo Montenegro and Caffo are capitalizing on cast-off assets to build global scale, and why this inflection point will reshape competitive dynamics for the next 10-15 years.

Disclaimer: All analysis is based on publicly available information.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and FMCG Context

02:15 Shrink for Growth Phenomenon Explained

06:30 Economies of Scale vs Scope

12:45 Industry Fragmentation Reality

18:20 Listed vs Private Company Dynamics

23:10 Mid-Tier Consolidation Opportunities

28:15 Future Industry Structure Predictions

In this episode of the MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast, Host Chris Maffeo talks to Ben Branson, founder of Seedlip and now Sylva and Seasn, shares his journey of creating the modern non-alcoholic spirits category. From his farming background to launching the world's first distilled non-alcoholic spirits, Ben discusses the critical importance of building categories before brands, the evolution from direct-to-consumer to retail distribution, and his philosophy of three essential elements.

He emphasizes the drinks industry's B2B2B2C nature, the value of premium credibility through top-tier accounts, and his current ventures, including Sylva (an aged non-alcoholic spirit using British trees) and Seasn (cocktail bitters).

Ben's approach centers on properly developing products, understanding cultural contexts beyond liquid, and maintaining relationships with the influential "1000 people that matter" while scaling.

0:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast

00:12 Meet Ben Branson: Founder of Seedlip

00:37 Building a Category from Scratch

03:10 The Importance of Choice in Non-Alcoholic Beverages

06:24 Challenges and Dynamics in the Non-Alcoholic Market

09:12 Understanding the Drinks Ecosystem

12:20 The Role of Occasions in Brand Building

13:51 Direct-to-Consumer vs. Traditional On and Off Trade

27:50 The Power of First Impressions and Credibility

32:28 The Importance of Influential Customers

33:27 Halo vs. Habit: Building Brand Relationships

34:22 Balancing Supermarket and Independent Distribution

38:43 The Role of Planning in Brand Launches

39:40 Learning the Drinks Industry

42:05 The Value of Experience and Patience

52:30 Navigating Competition and Protecting Your Brand

55:41 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways

In this episode of the MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast, Host Chris Maffeo talks to Ben Branson, founder of Seedlip and now Sylva and Seasn, shares his journey of creating the modern non-alcoholic spirits category. From his farming background to launching the world's first distilled non-alcoholic spirits, Ben discusses the critical importance of building categories before brands, the evolution from direct-to-consumer to retail distribution, and his philosophy of three essential elements.

He emphasizes the drinks industry's B2B2B2C nature, the value of premium credibility through top-tier accounts, and his current ventures, including Sylva (an aged non-alcoholic spirit using British trees) and Seasn (cocktail bitters).

Ben's approach centers on properly developing products, understanding cultural contexts beyond liquid, and maintaining relationships with the influential "1000 people that matter" while scaling.

0:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast

00:12 Meet Ben Branson: Founder of Seedlip

00:37 Building a Category from Scratch

03:10 The Importance of Choice in Non-Alcoholic Beverages

06:24 Challenges and Dynamics in the Non-Alcoholic Market

09:12 Understanding the Drinks Ecosystem

12:20 The Role of Occasions in Brand Building

13:51 Direct-to-Consumer vs. Traditional On and Off Trade

27:50 The Power of First Impressions and Credibility

32:28 The Importance of Influential Customers

33:27 Halo vs. Habit: Building Brand Relationships

34:22 Balancing Supermarket and Independent Distribution

38:43 The Role of Planning in Brand Launches

39:40 Learning the Drinks Industry

42:05 The Value of Experience and Patience

52:30 Navigating Competition and Protecting Your Brand

55:41 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways

Join host Chris Maffeo as he chats with Kait Wilkes, an industry veteran with 15 years of global experience (just nominated #40 on the Drinks International Top 100 List). The episode was recorded during the Mirror Hospitality Expo, hosted by Mirror Bar in Bratislava (Just nominated #62 on 50 Best Bars).

Kait shares her journey from bartending to advocacy, offering insights on navigating the drinks and hospitality industry.

They discuss the different perspectives between bartenders and brands, the importance of a well-thought-out drink strategy, and how smaller brands can thrive.

Kait also emphasizes the importance of long-term relationships, authenticity, and mentorship in the industry. Tune in to understand how to build a sustainable brand bottom-up and hear Kaits' expert advice for upcoming bartenders and brand advocates.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Maffeo Drinks Podcast

00:26 Guest Introduction: Kait's Journey in the Drinks Industry

03:35 The Disconnect Between Drinks and Hospitality Industries

05:53 Building Authentic Brand Partnerships

11:54 Challenges and Strategies for Small Brands

18:26 Long-Term Brand Advocacy and Relationship Building

21:25 Crafting a Purposeful Drink Strategy

22:01 The Role of Drink Strategy in Brand Promotion

22:32 Simplifying Cocktails for the Consumer

24:22 Understanding Drink Trends and Market Adaptation

28:07 Supporting Bartenders and Their Career Growth

31:48 Navigating Cocktail Competitions

37:04 Final Thoughts and Authentic Connections

In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, Chris Maffeo welcomes Chris Walker, an entrepreneur known for his insights into bootstrapping and the modern startup environment (he is the Founder of Refine Labs and Passetto). His work on the Stacking Growth Podcast (Ex Revenue Vitals) inspired him to launch his podcast.

They discuss common misconceptions about the need for venture capital, the importance of overcoming limiting beliefs, and the essential skills every founder should master.

Chris shares his experiences and thoughts on why many businesses fail due to unnecessary funding and the mental barriers hindering entrepreneurship.

The discussion also covers how to achieve personal alignment, the myth of media glorification, and the reality of building a sustainable business. Tune in for valuable lessons on creating and scaling businesses effectively.

00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast

00:09 Inspiration and Beginnings

01:11 Bootstrapping vs. Venture Capital

03:33 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs

06:45 The Reality of Entrepreneurship 1

15:14 Procrastination and Action

18:07 The Power of Self-Belief

32:49 Final Thoughts and Farewell

In this Episode, Host Chris Maffeo talks to Luke Hemsley, founder of Wednesday's Domaine, who discusses how his alcohol-free wine brand addresses the twin challenges of awareness and appreciation in an emerging category.

Unlike beer and spirits, which have made significant inroads in the alcohol-free space, wine has lagged due to historical quality issues and consumer skepticism.

Rather than positioning against alcohol, Wednesday's Domaine focuses on creating a midweek wine alternative for food and drink lovers who might occasionally want the ritual of wine without its effects. Luke shares insights on their strategic focus on the off-trade (particularly independent retailers), creating a geographic concentration in specific neighborhoods, and making their product stand out on shelves without sacrificing sophistication.

The conversation explores how on-trade and off-trade create a circular relationship that builds category credibility, the pricing psychology of alcohol-free alternatives, and the founder's journey of knowing when to delegate versus when personal passion is irreplaceable.

Timestamps:

In this return appearance on the Maffeo Drinks podcast, Paul Thomas, whom host Chris Maffeo dubs "the king of insights," shares wisdom on how to escape the marketing "ivory tower" and understand real consumer behavior.

Paul advocates for marketers to personally observe products in various venues rather than relying solely on data.

The conversation examines how brands should adopt occasion-based marketing over demographic targeting, striking a balance between aspirational positioning and pragmatic distribution strategies.

Paul critiques the research industry's shift toward "faster and cheaper" methodologies at the expense of quality, encouraging brands to conduct fewer but better studies.

The episode concludes with advice on creating an "insight ecosystem" that balances qualitative observations with quantitative data, emphasizing the value of curiosity in understanding how consumers interact with drink brands in different contexts.

Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction to Maffeo Drinks Podcast

00:19 Welcoming Back a Special Guest

01:00 Diving into Key Topics

02:00 Understanding Consumer Insights

05:46 The Reality of Market Segmentation

07:57 Strategies for Brand Placement

14:09 The Importance of Research

31:56 Balancing Qualitative and Quantitative Data

36:18 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

In this return appearance on the Maffeo Drinks podcast, Paul Thomas, whom host Chris Maffeo dubs "the king of insights," shares wisdom on how to escape the marketing "ivory tower" and understand real consumer behavior.

Paul advocates for marketers to personally observe products in various venues rather than relying solely on data. The conversation examines how brands should adopt occasion-based marketing over demographic targeting, striking a balance between aspirational positioning and pragmatic distribution strategies. Paul critiques the research industry's shift toward "faster and cheaper" methodologies at the expense of quality, encouraging brands to conduct fewer but better studies.

The episode concludes with advice on creating an "insight ecosystem" that balances qualitative observations with quantitative data, emphasizing the value of curiosity in understanding how consumers interact with drink brands in different contexts.

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In this episode, Chris Maffeo speaks to Racheal Vaughan Jones and discusses how Compass Box has positioned itself as "whisky makers" in the Scotch whisky industry. Founded in 2000 with a mission to make the Scotch world more interesting, Compass Box balances mastery and imagination in its brand essence.

Recently, the company streamlined its core range into a more intuitive collection of four distinct flavor territories while maintaining its artistic limited editions.

Racheal shares insights into its recent brand positioning, "Long Live Interesting," and how it has successfully translated it through packaging, communication, and targeted campaign activations across key cities.

The brand's recent award-winning "Hedonism" limited edition showcases its collaboration with female artists and embodies its philosophy of starting with an organically evolving idea.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:30 Special Guest Introduction

01:53 The Story of Compass Box

04:23 Brand Positioning and Marketing

10:29 Core Range and Consumer Experience

14:29 Limited Editions and Awards

20:05 Limited edition approach with Hedonism

26:06 Communication and Marketing Strategies

30:30 Localized activation and content strategy

33:45 Creating demand and brand-building philosophy