Make Them Pay

Madelene is the founder of Nocturnal, a members-only erotic society creating elevated experiences through intimate workshops, erotic cinema nights, and beautifully curated luxury parties in Melbourne.

In this episode, we explore the psychology of desire, modern relationships, and the emotional complexity of entering erotic spaces as a couple. We discuss why these experiences can deepen connection for some relationships and expose fractures in others.

Madelene shares how Nocturnal was born, what draws people into the lifestyle, the importance of communication and consent, and the conversations couples need to have before stepping into these environments.

An intimate and nuanced conversation about sex, trust, fantasy, jealousy, and human connection.

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Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long

Kit grew up in a strict Mormon household and left the Church at just 16. After a falling out with her parents left her couch surfing and struggling financially, she took a chance on OnlyFans - and quickly found success. With her distinctive look and a highly engaged fanbase, Kit now earns over $110K per week

Despite holding degrees in mathematics and psychology, she’s chosen to focus full-time on building her OnlyFans business and personal brand.

In this episode we touch on what it really takes to connect with fans and grow a loyal audience, the unexpected twists in her journey, what sexual oppression at a young age does to girls, how she accidentally got herself a sugar baby, her experience with a male escort and what men are doing wrong when it comes to pleasing woman these days!!

Journalist by day, high-class escort by night.

Amanda stepped into a double life in her late 30s, becoming “Samantha X” after growing bored of the newsroom and craving more money and time with her family.

She was worried her age would hold her back, but quickly discovered the opposite. Building a thriving career, running her own escort agency, and becoming a more confident version of herself.

But when she outed herself on national TV at a time when sex work was still deeply taboo, everything changed.

In this episode, we dive into how she built her Samantha X empire, what she’d never do again, what she still misses… and the reality of life after leaving the industry, when the world knows your name.

Georgie Percell was elected at just 30 years old, making her the youngest woman in Parliament at the time. She’s also one of the most unconventional MPs - refusing to conform to the standard boring suit and openly owning her “colourful” past as a stripper.

We talk about the skills she brought from the strip club to Parliament House, how stripping taught her to advocate for herself and handle difficult men, and why she refuses to hide parts of her story.

We also dive into the constant online harassment she receives for challenging misogynistic industries, the scrutiny women in politics face, especially those who bravely speak out about harassment -and the backlash she experienced for returning to work after her recent pregnancy.

Sex workers are often told that if we do this work, we’ll never go on to get a “real job.” Georgie is living proof that when you own your past, it can actually become your biggest strength.

To be an ‘out’ sex worker is not an easy title to hold because in 95% of the world, it’s a criminal offence. NSW, Australia was the first place in THE WORLD to decriminalise ‘prostitution’ - thanks to a few iconic whores, including Julie Bates. She fought for sex worker rights, testified against police corruption and took on organised crime lords to enforce condoms in brothels during the AIDS pandemic during a time where a condom was used as evidence against woman and brothel owners and grounds for arrest!! She’s an activist, and icon, recognised by the queen and still a sex worker to this day! Julie bates changed the world for sex workers everywhere and literally saved countless lives through AIDS prevention. It’s an honour to have her on Make Them Pay

Tilly Lawless was the first young, Australian woman I followed who spoke publicly and unapologetically about her work in the sex industry. She is highly educated, articulate, and strikingly nonchalant when describing her experiences in brothels or as a private escort. Tilly has transformed her lived experience into two novels and is currently writing a third, all while continuing to work as an escort in Sydney. Although she does not identify as a sex worker advocate, her TED Talks and books have had a profound impact on sex workers and have played a significant role in educating civilians about the realities of the sex industry.

Today, we talk about the impacts of speaking publicly, the scrutiny she received, and how it ultimately led her to step back from the online world. We explore why she never wanted to be a role model, and how she was simply doing what felt right to her, and the high standards forced upon you when you gain an online following

Join me and Thea Rose from Seggs Talk Radio, as she unveils plans for a new sugar-dating platform, Mila Dating - designed to restore standards and trust in the scene. We get into why existing sites have become oversaturated and unregulated, how FOSTA/SESTA and COVID shifted the market, and the safety-first features Thea is prioritising like secure ID verification for men and transparent income verification for women to reduce catfishing and fraud. Tune in for a fun conversation about what it takes to build a respectful, reliable community from two woman with experience in the field.Join the Waitlist NOW....https://mila.dating

Music by Toby Young & Jacob Long

After a tragic loss in her teens, Jessica turned to drugs to deal with overwhelming guilt, and sex work to disassociate and become someone else. She worked for a decade in secret, after her parents reaction taught her that no one would ever accept her if she told them what she did.

Now, 10 years out of the industry, Jessica speaks candidly about the long term impacts of shame, stigma and bad experiences she faced during her time in the industry. She opens up about the hard work she had to do to accept herself and learn to love herself unconditionally

Trigger warning: this episode contains references to suicide and drug addiction which some individuals may find distressing, help is always available 24/7

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TRIGGER WARNING: this episode touches on sex trafficking, domestic violence, gang violence and substance abuse

Charlie was coerced into the sex trade as a young teen - unable to escape the people who trafficked her, even after moving across the world. While this story is undeniably dark, Charlie’s ability to survive, heal, and reclaim their life is genuinely inspiring. I had the pleasure of meeting them at one of their workshops, where they helped others work through the deep shame often attached to sex work. I know everyone has something to learn from Charlie’s story, but if this does bring up sensitive themes for you - especially around exploitation, DV or coercion - please take care and listen at your own pace.

If you or anyone you know is seeking support, you can reach out to the services below..

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Lily Phillips became one of the most well known Only Fans creators and controversial porn stars of our generation, after her "100 men in a day" challenge. She then went on to break a record by sleeping with 1000 men in one day. Her challenges and stunts, as well as her collaborations with Bonnie Blue, saw her take on a lot of criticism from the wider community as a bad role model for young woman - but since when were adult stars meant to be role models, and why has it fallen on them to educate kids on sex?

In this must-listen episode, Lily Phillips sits down for her deepest interview yet.

Lily opens up about why she doesn’t like being compared to Bonnie Blue, her firm belief that sex education needs to happen younger, and why she’s officially done with challenge-style content.

We dive into:

• Mental health in the adult industry

• How she feels about being labeled 'Predator'

• The importance of female friendships and how they’ve supported her career

• How to be better in bed and what most people get wrong about sex

• The effects sex work has had on her relationships

• The pressure she feels to be a positive role model for young women

• How she handles criticism on social media

• Which surgeries she’s had and her thoughts on cosmetic work

• What the men who attend her events are REALLY like.

Music by Toby Young and Jacob Long