You’ve read the books. You’ve taken the course. You’ve listened to the podcasts. So why haven’t you changed?

According to Ryan Gottfredson—author, researcher, and expert in mindset science—it’s because you’ve been developing on the doing side, when real transformation only happens on the being side.

In this deep-dive conversation, Paul and Ryan explore the groundbreaking science of vertical development—what it is, why it matters, and how to actually start living it.

🧠 Topics We Cover:

• Horizontal vs. Vertical Growth: What’s the difference?

• Why trauma wires your nervous system for protection

• How to tell whether you’re operating from fear or value

• The three adult development stages (and why 64% of people stay at the lowest)

• How practices like meditation, mindset work, and therapy regulate your system

🔗 Links & Resources:

• Ryan’s Book: Becoming Better

• Take the Free Vertical Development Assessment: RyanGottfredson.com

• Related Episode: Everything Is Functional