On Episode 8 of the Maker/Mistaker Podcast, I sit down with Jen Adrion and Omar Noory of These Are Things. These are Things is a powerful illustration duo based in Columbus, OH that strives to make things they love. They've dealt with their fair share of success and failure.
There was so much honesty and transparency in this conversation. If you are fortunate enough to taste "success," then you''ll find this pressure to keep doing what worked, even when you don't want to anymore. Sometimes you keep trying to "recapture the magic" you once had but never get "back there." How does it feel when you were a household name one day and then moving back in with your mom and dad and tossing 24,000 prints in the trash because they just aren't selling?
How do you deal with failure? How do you keep on going and following your passion when your cool side projects become your day job and daily grind? And finally, how do you deal with being afraid to speak your truth and be your own unique self when there are vocal critics and haters out there?
Jen and Omar bring a refreshing positive and loving energy to all these heavy subjects. Listen to the episode for the full story!
Music for this episode: Maker/Mistaker Podcast Intro by Jeff Finley
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SHOW NOTES
00:00:54 Introductions and Updates
00:02:40 Jen and Omar - Welcome to the show!
00:04:28 The story of success and failure that led to WMC Fest
00:08:00 It all comes crashing down, what are we gonna do?
00:09:00 Tess Vigeland speech At World Domination Summit
00:11:00 Being so open and vulnerable on stage
00:12:00 Sharing too much online
00:13:00 Moving back home with Mom and Dad
00:16:00 What else happened after WMC Fest 2013?
00:17:00 When your side project becomes your day job
00:18:00 Being discontent when you're supposed to be happy
00:20:00 Falling out of resonance with what you've created
00:22:00 The eBook curse! Closing the chapters in our lives
00:25:00 Doing the same thing for years
00:26:45 Things have changed, struggle to adapt
00:28:00 Being attached to the past while trying to move forward
00:29:40 Purging the old, feeling light
00:31:31 Deciding to make what we want all over again
00:33:20 Trying to recapture the magic of success but failing
00:34:00 Go Media's story of success and failure
00:39:00 FAB.com failures - the last straw
00:41:41 When something goes well, you feel pressure to keep it going
00:43:00 Throwing away 24,000 greeting cards and cutting your losses
00:45:15 The pressure to be important and successful as an artist
00:46:18 What do you do when sales just aren't there
00:48:00 Reducing expenses and cutting everything
00:50:00 What about getting a part time job?
00:51:20 The 100 Things project - making art every day!
00:59:00 Being your brand - authentic or not?
01:01:00 Having the courage to be yourself online
01:03:00 Choosing to stay small as a business, living a simpler life
01:05:56 Being transparent and dealing with criticism or haters
01:07:26 Is it ok to be different than your online reputation?
01:11:04 What if you feel ashamed about being weird?
01:04:00 Living up to expectations of your online brand
01:15:00 Never take advice from someone who doesn't have to be you
01:16:00 Public shaming and Jeff's experiences
01:19:00 Donglegate shame story
01:21:00 How hateful comments affect real people directly
01:23:40 Trying to get everyone to like you
01:26:24 Being nice, avoiding conflict
01:27:00 How to detach from results and dis-identify with your work
01:30:00 Advice for those afraid to speak their truth publicly