In Episode 4, hosts Phil and Grace are joined by Tiffany Cooper Gueye, COO at Blue Meridian Partners and former CEO of the national nonprofit, BellXcel. Tiffany draws on her experiences as both a nonprofit leader and a funder, as well as her expertise in measurement and evaluation, to talk with Grace and Phil about how donors can better understand what works — and how they can go beyond their traditional networks to identify and support organizations that are doing vital work.