Making Cents

Making Cents

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  • E:15 $43M Barefoot Empire: Bootstrapped No VC (Flux Footwear Secrets)

    Isaac Mertens (Flux Footwear CEO) reveals how he quit CPA exams, scaled Etsy furniture to 7 figures, then built $43M in barefoot shoes, self funded through 6 month supply hell, sellouts, and 80% margins.​

    From Indiegogo $50K flops to $300K to $43M explosions via SBA loans plus supplier hacks (50% deposits to 20%). Footwear repeat nightmares solved: sub 10% to 30% rates, first order profits, LTV to CAC 3:1.​

    "Apple of barefoot" aesthetics crush Vibram cringe, challenging Hoka with foot health mission (bunions to back pain fixed). DTC gold on unit economics, Meta ROAS drops (3x to 1.2x), daily margin obsession.​

    Scale ready founders: supply crunches, no VC reality, awareness battles ahead.​

    👇 Tap to hear the full Making Cents episode, raw playbook for apparel footwear wars.


    #DTC #Bootstrapped #Ecommerce #StartupJourney #FootwearBusiness


    58 min
  • E:14 Sam McBride, Founder of Colter Ventures & Ex COO of RXBar on Selling to Kellogg for $600M

    In this episode of Making Cents, Drew hosts Sam McBride, former COO of RXBar and founder of Colter Ventures. Sam breaks down the legendary bootstrap journey of RXBar, which scaled from $2 million to $125 million in revenue in just four years before selling to Kellogg’s for $600 million. They discuss the "No BS" rebrand that experts hated but customers loved, the discipline of using bank debt over venture capital, and Sam’s new investment thesis at Colter Ventures focused on a "generational turnover" of the grocery store.


    Chapters


    00:00 – Health as a status symbol and the future of protein

    03:07 – Why Sam left finance to become an entrepreneur

    07:39 – Scaling RXBar: From CrossFit gyms to $120M+ in four years

    12:10 – The "shaved bodies" story and early founder obsession

    16:10 – Transitioning from D2C to massive retail distribution

    19:11 – The rebrand: Why experts said the new packaging would fail

    25:02 – Bootstrapping with debt: Using credit lines instead of VC

    28:56 – Scrappy operations: Negotiating with vendors and mailing checks

    35:48 – Pricing strategy: Solving problems to maintain high gross margins

    41:21 – The $600M Exit: A bidding war between Pepsi, Mars, and Kellogg

    48:15 – Colter Ventures: Focusing on secondary deals and Kettle & Fire

    56:47 – The "Familiar but New" framework for category disruption

    01:02:11 – Why the next generation of CPG might stay independent


    1 hr 5 min
  • E:13 Amy Haas, Ex Simple Mill CFO on the 10 year journey to $795M sale to Flower Foods

    In this conversation, Drew introduces Amy Haas, former CFO of Simple Mills, who shares her journey from the corporate finance world into the startup environment and the experience of building a successful food brand. Amy reflects on Simple Mills’ early mission, its growth, particularly following the launch of its cracker line and the role private equity played in scaling the business while preserving core values. She discusses the importance of building strong teams, prioritizing sustainable growth, and staying focused on mission rather than market trends. Amy also shares insights from her current work advising early-stage brands and the joy she finds in helping others navigate the food industry.


    Chapters


    00:00 – Acquired by Flower Foods for $795 Million

    03:52 – From $500,000 in Sales to 10 Years Through Acquisition

    13:59 – Whole Foods to Costco Was Kind of a Crazy Jump

    16:01 – Revenue Wasn’t a Hockey Stick, Then a Big Jump Over $200 in a Year

    17:25 – Multi-Category Brand Worth $100 Million Plus

    22:05 – Capitalizing the Company Without Huge Amounts of Equity

    24:30 – Debt, Stonegate, and Chicago Gross Margin Discipline

    25:55 – Private Equity Enters and Expectations Change

    27:23 – Private Equity TLC to Sell the Business

    31:40 – CPG M&A and Founder Obsession With Exits

    40:00 – Retail Finance Is People-Intensive

    44:10 – Raising Less Capital in a Capital-Intensive Category

    45:30 – Life After a $795 Million Exit Advising the Next Wave



    47 min
  • E:13 Amy Haas, Ex Simple Mill CFO on the 10 year journey to $795M sale to Flower Foods

    In this conversation, Drew introduces Amy Haas, former CFO of Simple Mills, who shares her journey from the corporate finance world into the startup environment and the experience of building a successful food brand. Amy reflects on Simple Mills’ early mission, its growth, particularly following the launch of its cracker line and the role private equity played in scaling the business while preserving core values. She discusses the importance of building strong teams, prioritizing sustainable growth, and staying focused on mission rather than market trends. Amy also shares insights from her current work advising early-stage brands and the joy she finds in helping others navigate the food industry.


    Chapters

    00:00 – Acquired for 795 Million Off One Round of Funding

    03:52 – From 500,000 in Sales to 10 Years Through Acquisition

    13:59 – Whole Foods to Costco Was Kind of a Crazy Jump

    16:01 – Revenue Wasn’t a Hockey Stick, Then a Big Jump Over 200 in a Year

    17:25 – Multi-Category Brand Worth 100 Million Plus

    22:05 – Capitalizing the Company Without Huge Amounts of Equity

    24:30 – Debt, Stonegate, and Chicago Gross Margin Discipline

    25:55 – Private Equity Enters and Expectations Change

    27:23 – Private Equity TLC to Sell the Business

    31:40 – CPG M&A and Founder Obsession With Exits

    40:00 – Retail Finance Is People-Intensive

    44:10 – Raising Less Capital in a Capital-Intensive Category

    45:30 – Life After a 795 Million Exit Advising the Next Wave


    48 min
  • E:12 David Rabie of Tovala on YC, Raising $110M, Finding PMF & Maximizing Retention

    Drew Fallon sits down with David Rabie, co-founder and CEO of Tovala, to unpack how the company is reinventing home cooking by pairing a smart oven with a seamless meal subscription service. 

    David dives into Tovala’s unconventional business model, the highs and lows of fundraising, and the hard-earned lessons behind achieving true product-market fit. He reflects on scaling the company through the challenges of the pandemic, shares what’s next for menu expansion and personalization, and explains how AI is being woven into Tovala’s operations. 

    Together, the conversation paints a clear picture of Tovala’s bold vision to transform meal preparation and serve a broad, evolving customer base.


    Chapters

    00:00 - Introduction to Tovala's "Keurig for Food" Revolution

    02:36 - The $400 Oven Fail and Genius Business Model Pivot

    05:52 - Cracking Customer Acquisition and Retention Secrets

    08:38 - How VC Cash Fuels Tovala's Explosive Scale-Up

    11:49 - Navigating Brutal Product Market Fit Challenges

    14:34 - The QR Code Technology Behind Tovala's Success

    17:32 - Funding Journey Wins and Hard Lessons Learned

    20:44 - Meal Kit Industry Wars and Tovala's Winning Edge

    24:47 - Surviving Financial Firestorms and PMF Hurdles

    28:25 - Marketing Overhaul That Exploded Sales Growth

    30:34 - Pandemic Boom: From Chaos to Millions in Revenue

    35:02 - Series B and C Fundraising Mastery Insights


    49 min
  • E12: David Rabie of Tovala on YC, Raising $110M, Finding PMF & Maximizing Retention

    Drew Fallon sits down with David Rabie, co-founder and CEO of Tovala, to unpack how the company is reinventing home cooking by pairing a smart oven with a seamless meal subscription service.

    David dives into Tovala’s unconventional business model, the highs and lows of fundraising, and the hard-earned lessons behind achieving true product-market fit. He reflects on scaling the company through the challenges of the pandemic, shares what’s next for menu expansion and personalization, and explains how AI is being woven into Tovala’s operations.

    Together, the conversation paints a clear picture of Tovala’s bold vision to transform meal preparation and serve a broad, evolving customer base.


    Chapters

    00:00 - Introduction to Tovala's "Keurig for Food" Revolution

    02:36 - The $400 Oven Fail and Genius Business Model Pivot

    05:52 - Cracking Customer Acquisition and Retention Secrets

    08:38 - How VC Cash Fuels Tovala's Explosive Scale-Up

    11:49 - Navigating Brutal Product Market Fit Challenges

    14:34 - The QR Code Technology Behind Tovala's Success

    17:32 - Funding Journey Wins and Hard Lessons Learned

    20:44 - Meal Kit Industry Wars and Tovala's Winning Edge

    24:47 - Surviving Financial Firestorms and PMF Hurdles

    28:25 - Marketing Overhaul That Exploded Sales Growth

    30:34 - Pandemic Boom: From Chaos to Millions in Revenue

    35:02 - Series B and C Fundraising Mastery Insights

    49 min
  • E:11 How Geologie got acquired without scaling to $100M

    Drew Fallon talks with Nick Allen and Dave Skaff, the founders of Geologie — about their journey building a personalized men’s skincare brand and ultimately selling it. They dig into the financial realities behind the business: balancing a capital-hungry DTC model, expanding SKU count from trial kits to full product lines, navigating the shift into retail, and managing a balance sheet that no longer matched the scale of their opportunities. Nick and Dave break down how subscription economics drove the company from day one, why they ultimately hired bankers, how multiple offers emerged, and what it took to reach an acquisition. They also share the emotional highs and lows of the sale, the importance of financial readiness and a strong team, and what comes next for them after the exit.Chapters00:00 – Meeting the Founders & the Geologie Story Begins01:06 – How Geologie Came Together: Backgrounds & Early Careers03:22 – From Sidecar to Skincare: Pivoting Into a New Industry04:44 – Building Complementary Skills for a Startup Partnership05:49 – Creating Personalized Men’s Skincare & the Early Strategy07:00 – Launching the Brand: Year One of Development12:13 – The Financial Model Behind Trial, Subscription & LTV13:34 – Scaling Product Lines: Body, Hair & Acne as Growth Levers18:00 – Retail Expansion: When DTC Starts Falling Apart30:54 – Multi-Vertical Strategy & Preparing for Retail34:29 – Balance Sheet Constraints & Exploring a Sale Process37:14 – Banker-Led Sale, Multiple Offers & Why They Chose to Exit01:00:11 – Life After the Acquisition & Lessons Learned

    1 hr 3 min
  • Episode 11: How Geologie raised $8M in equity, financials for trial & subscription model, and exit

    Drew Fallon talks with Nick Allen and Dave Skaff, the founders of Geologie — about their journey building a personalized men’s skincare brand and ultimately selling it. They dig into the financial realities behind the business: balancing a capital-hungry DTC model, expanding SKU count from trial kits to full product lines, navigating the shift into retail, and managing a balance sheet that no longer matched the scale of their opportunities. Nick and Dave break down how subscription economics drove the company from day one, why they ultimately hired bankers, how multiple offers emerged, and what it took to reach an acquisition. They also share the emotional highs and lows of the sale, the importance of financial readiness and a strong team, and what comes next for them after the exit.


    Chapters


    00:00 – Meeting the Founders & the Geologie Story Begins

    01:06 – How Geologie Came Together: Backgrounds & Early Careers

    03:22 – From Sidecar to Skincare: Pivoting Into a New Industry

    04:30 – Building Complementary Skills for a Startup Partnership

    05:49 – Creating Personalized Men’s Skincare & the Early Strategy

    07:00 – Launching the Brand: Year One of Development

    12:13 – The Financial Model Behind Trial, Subscription & LTV13:34 – Scaling Product Lines: Body, Hair & Acne as Growth Levers

    18:00 – Retail Expansion: When DTC Starts Falling Apart 30:54 – Multi-Vertical Strategy & Preparing for Retail

    34:29 – Balance Sheet Constraints & Exploring a Sale Process

    37:14 – Banker-Led Sale, Multiple Offers & Why They Chose to Exit

    01:00:11 – Life After the Acquisition & Lessons Learned



    1 hr 2 min
  • E:10 Reece Wabara founder of Maniere de Voir on churning 80% of customers to reach $8M EBITDA

    In this episode, Drew Fallon sits down with Reese Wabara, founder of Manière De Voir, to unpack how he went from playing professional football to building one of the UK’s most disciplined and profitable fashion brands. Reese breaks down the evolution of MDV, how he’s navigated trend cycles, and the bold strategic pivots that protected margins and long-term growth. He shares why timeless product beats fast fashion, how retail expansion fits into the next chapter, and why building a strong, aligned team is central to MDV’s future. The conversation dives into profitability, repositioning, customer experience, and Reese’s long-term vision for scaling the brand without compromising on quality.



    Chapters


    00:00 — Reece Wabara: From Footballer to Building Manière De Voir


    00:07:37 — £35M Revenue & £6M EBITDA at MDV’s Peak


    00:09:01 — Revenue Drops from £35M to £25M but Still Seven-Figure Profits


    00:10:10 — Raising Prices 50%+ to Protect Margin


    00:10:43 — Losing 80% of Customers During the Repositioning


    00:12:29 — Staying Profitable Through a Complete Business U-Turn


    00:22:54 — London Store Generates Seven-Figure Profit in Year One


    00:23:54 — MDV Store Model Targeting £5M Revenue Per Location


    00:31:17 — Self-Funding a £12–13M Repositioning Without Investors


    00:32:36 — Avoiding the Private Equity Path by Reinvesting Cash Flow


    00:34:12 — Forecasting £35M+ Revenue and £6M Profit by 2026


    00:34:18 — Ambition: £50M Revenue and £10M Profit (20% EBITDA)


    00:58:10 — £6.7M Profit and £8M Cash Flow Last Year

    1 hr
  • E:9 Danny Yeung, Founder of IM8 on how he scaled IM8 to $100M ARR in 11 Months

    In this enlightening conversation, Drew Fallon speaks to Danny Yeung, CEO of Prenetics, who shares the journey of his entrepreneurial ventures, the pivot to at-home PCR testing during the COVID-19 pandemic, and the launch of IM8, a revolutionary supplement brand co-founded with David Beckham. He discusses the importance of science-backed formulations, customer acquisition strategies, and the company's focus on long-term growth. Additionally, Danny elaborates on Prenetics' capital market strategies, including a unique Bitcoin treasury approach, and shares his vision for the future of IM8 and Prenetics.


    Chapters:


    00:00 The Fastest-Growing Supplement Brand Ever?


    00:25 From Restaurants to $200M E-Commerce


    02:54 Scaling Groupon: CAC, LTV & Funnels


    06:52 Why DTC Failed Early for Genetics


    07:15 COVID Pivot: 28 Million PCR Tests


    08:47 Revenue Rocket: $10M → $65M → $275M


    13:05 Replacing $800M Revenue: Birth of IM8


    14:11 Meeting Beckham & Co-Founding IM8


    17:18 Clinical Doses, Mayo Clinic, and NSF Testing


    23:29 $600K Month One → $10M Month Eleven


    25:18 Sub-4-Month Payback: The Scaling Formula


    31:47 Bitcoin Treasury & Divesting Legacy Units

    59 min

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