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Selena Salfen, MPH, RD returns to the show to talk about Michaeleen Doucleff's book Dopamine Kids; A Science-Based Plan to Rewire Your Child's Brain and Take Back Your Family in the Age of Screens and Ultraprocessed Foods.

Selena shares her experience parenting a child who has ADHD, autism and different feeding needs than Doucleff's. Selena tried out one of Doucleff's parenting exercises with her kiddo and we all get to hear it! She also shares the two things she found helpful about the book.

Doucleff has written two books to tell people how to parent, based on the research she has chosen and interventions she's used with her only child in a homeschooled environment which includes 15 chickens, a vegetable garden and greenhouse, homemade sourdough and a family phone that sits in a drawer and only calls or texts. Dopamine Kids is, ultimately, a book about how Doucleff has been lucky enough to put together the life that she wants for herself and her daughter, not a book with universal guidance on parenting.

Hunt, Gather, Parent

Anti-Dopamine Parenting

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As news outlets are being banned from the White House let's talk about the Democratic dark money funding influencers positioning themselves as journalists. Actual Journalist Lindsay Lee Wallace returns to the show to unpack dark money in social media influencing, and the social media economy. Lindsay talks about the there isn't a code of ethics for influencers, people aren't required to be experts in their field and what this means for journalism.

We talk about how Jessica became the subject of a social media video from Sam Rosenholtz, an influencer who is funded by the Democratic dark money non profit Chorus and has been paid for engaging in Denver politics. Rosenholtz is a white guy with 1.4M Instagram followers, and used a video of Jessica dressed as her conservative alter-ego as his hook to get people to pay attention to him talking about cyclospora.

Today Lindsay and Jessica connect Rosenholtz and his video to the state of our news and journalism landscape and we also discuss that being the subject of Rosenholtz's video made Jessica care more about Democratic political spending, something that was way overdue.

Sam Rosenholtz is part of the Chorus Creator Collection and you can buy his favorite saying

Sam involved in Denver bond measure

We're living through an explainer epidemic | Dazed

'The Least Transparent Midterm': How Dark Money Is Washing Over the 2026 Election - The New York Times

Influencers Have a Lot to Say About Politics. Many Are Quietly Paid for It. - The New York Times

Influencers trying to self-regulate their political involvement

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SPAM! Cultural traditions, recipes, the Hormel Girls and the history of SPAM.

Daphne K. Jenkins returns to the show to talk about the history, cultural relevance and celebration of SPAM. Daphne shares the different ways in which she ate SPAM growing up n Hawaii and her recent elevation of the iconic food to butter mochi magic.

The two discuss the need for shelf stable foods, especially when Hawaii has been under multiple hurricane warnings this year.

And where does the term spam email come from?

Bougie SPAM

'ONO MAU GOODS

Daphne in Serious Eats

Daphne in Willamette Week

FOOD ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE ACROSS KAUA'I

A quick history of SPAM

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HuffPost journalist Jillian Wilson joins the pod to talk about her article: More And More People Suffer From 'Chemophobia' — And MAHA Is Partly To Blame. She breaks down the history of the fear tactic and how it strikes a nerve with both conservatives and liberals alike. She tells us how she approaches her science reporting which is as impressive as it is encouraging.

This episode topic was inspired by the recent episode with The Conscious Lee which highlighted his lack of science literacy and also his comfort speaking so loudly about chemicals without context or understanding. Among many concerns, his argument relied on chemophobia and furthered the narrative that any kind of chemical is scary.

Jillian happened to join the show following her recent presentation at the National Association of Black Journalists convention. She spoke on a panel about how to report on MAHA and shares that experience on the pod.

Jessica also shares a pod update and how she's planning to evolve.

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Cigarettes, bacon, raw milk, raccoon, pork, chicken and The Conscious Lee! Today's guest, medical historian Dr. Bethany Johnson, returns to the show for the first follow up episode following the episode with The Conscious Lee's. In addition to her analysis of what went down in that episode, Bethany covers a lot of ground! Our conversation includes raw milk with formaldehyde, the idea of "poor people food" shifting over time and always connected to race, the history of eating other game meats like raccoon, and the history and stereotypes about the consumption of both pork and chicken among Black communities.

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Show notes from the original episode with The Conscious Lee:

The Conscious Lee joins the show to debate the merits of his recent video about cured meats causing cancer and Jessica's video reply questioning the honesty of his presentation of the evidence.

Both of them reference the World Health Organization's 2015 report about carcinogens, and Jessica attempts to provide nuance to the carcinogen designation by discussing how substances are labeled as carcinogens and how it's the strength of the research, not the level of risk that makes something a carcinogen.

The Conscious Lee's video is part of a partnership with Farm Forward and references the Save Our Bacon Act.

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Molly Robbins joins the show for a follow-up interview to Jessica's conversation with Dr. David Wiss, about his article, "Dismantling the Myth of 'All Foods Fit' in Eating Disorder Treatment." Dr. Wiss made some questionable claims during his interview and Molly joins the show to fact check them and provide context, new information and lived experience.

Molly Robbins is a researcher and clinician with lived experience having gone through treatment for atypical anorexia while in a larger body. Molly has questions about whether Dr. Wiss and his coauthors were truly dismantling myths in their article or reinforcing the norm of the eating disorder field. She also poses questions about whether dopamine means addiction, and asks what we mean when we discuss reward pathways and brain activation. To expand our ideas of these words and phrases regularly tossed about, Molly references research done in fMRI machines.

This episode was part 2 of a 3 part series. The third is Hedonism, Palatability, and the Science-ification of "Junk Food;" Same advice, different packaging

Dr. Wiss's reply to Molly's episode.

Molly on LinkedIn

Molly's articles:

Source #9- Retracted- https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/9792751

ADHD and food additives- Nigg et al, 2012https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4321798/

Those who strongly adhere to FODMAP for IBS are more likely to have EDs https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30543574/

Greater food variety (including UPFs) is associated with recovery- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36951232/

Ayton and Ibrahim 2020- Paper that perfectly demonstrated providers and patients fears of weight gain... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7682725/​

An article about dietary restraint and control- "Flexible control demonstrated substantial overlap and entanglement with rigid control, precluding the clarity, validity, and utility of flexible control as a construct"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26162949/

Fear is a core component of EDs (AN, BN, BED, and OSFED) transdiagnosticaly. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36782316/

Attempting to avoid hyperpalatable food is an eating disorder safety behavior- https://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/13/7/574

Dietary energy density and diet variety predicts recoveryhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18400701/

Citation 118 (Hay et al., 2022) found that over 12 months about 80% of participants failed to achieve ≥5% weight loss.

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The Conscious Lee joins the show to debate the merits of his recent video about cured meats causing cancer and Jessica's video reply questioning the honesty of his presentation of the evidence.

Both of them reference the World Health Organization's 2015 report about carcinogens, and Jessica attempts to provide nuance to the carcinogen designation by discussing how substances are labeled as carcinogens and how it's the strength of the research, not the level of risk that makes something a carcinogen.

The Conscious Lee's video is part of a partnership with Farm Forward and references the Save Our Bacon Act.

This is a multi-part episode and Jessica will be back with guests in a couple weeks to follow up on this conversation. If you have thoughts or feedback that you want to share you can email the pod and send voice memos to [email protected].

The Conscious Lee's services

The Conscious Lee on Instagram

The Conscious Lee on YouTube

The Conscious Lee on Tiktok

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Blake Flaugher, MPH and Caleb Haven Draper return to the show to review the horror film Leviticus from first time writer and director Adrian Chiarella. The film follows two queer teenage boys who live in an Australian town and are part of a small conservative church. In this review the three discuss the role that both fear and shame play in our lives and in society.

The three of them break down the plot of the movie in detail so there are spoilers. There isn't a big reveal at the end of the film, though, so they won't give away a plot twist.

During this episode we learn that Caleb's family is a founding family of a Christian mega church and more about Blake's Christian Evangelical fundamentalist upbringing. The two discuss the impacts of religion on their identity development.

Caleb and Blake's episode on queer men, body image, peptides and peacocking

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Calvin Gilbert returns to the show to talk about self-medicating ADHD with exercise and the intersections with gender and disordered eating. Calvin talks about their all-or-nothing thinking, their history with alcohol abuse, and their experiences competing in two Iron Man races. We get into the multiple times they've come out to friends and family over the last 20+ years and their path to knowing they are non-binary.

The two start with new reflections of Jessica's recent trip to the ADA conference and how it brought Jessica to tears. Calvin reminds Jessica that her concerns about not being recorded were incredibly valid and offers support as the two recall their conference presentation that was disrupted by an unhinged attendee.

At the end of this episode Calvin pledges to work on a couple of adulting tasks and will follow up with this audience!

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Dietitian Sherene Chou and Jessica had a drastically different experience at the ADA Scientific Sessions than the researchers who were removed! Sherene may have been the first person to include a Subway Take at a medical conference. Today's episode continues the conversation about the ADA conference, one that started a few weeks back with journalist Lindsay Lee Wallace.

Just last week, the medical journal Lancet published a recap of what happened to the researchers.

Jessica got to sit down with a representative at ADA and record her experiences as a clinician. You can catch her answers over on the Patreon!

This episode mentions the work of children's educator Ms. Rachel, who also came up in the first ADA conference recap with Lindsay.

Ms. Rachel on Dilley Detention Center

Ms. Rachel on Instagram

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