In this conversation Carlo and Shana discuss, amongst other things, art practices, unrequited love, family tragedy, rebounding from failure, Jaques Cousteau, patenting McDonald's Golden Arches and Hugh Heffner's Playboy logo, and social impact. Shana gives a very personal, visceral and searingly honest insight into her life, her love of travel and cultural exploration and how she has switched her professional focus from personal goals to supporting emergent businesses seeking to effect socially progressive and positive change in the world.

Carlo starts his series of meandering and eclectic conversations with Dan Kieran, the co-founder and CEO of Unbound - the crowd funding publishing phenomenon that is liberating ideas and putting authors and their readers into a direct relationship. Like off piste skiers searching for the best powder snow, Carlo and Dan explore all sorts of unexpected territory. Dan is a writer who describes himself as an accidental entrepreneur, and in this soulful conversation he reveals the personal journey that has taken him from a junior bank teller position in a suburban town via The Idler magazine and writing about Crap Towns and journeys on electric milk floats, to heading up one of London's most exciting companies.